Fun talk:2019 United Kingdom general election

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Essay space

Can we just move this to essay? this is just embarrassing AMassiveGay (talk) 13:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

You are a child Minish (talk) 13:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

You incessantly complain about the state of the article, yet have never once edited it. You say it's 'not rational', yet when asked about the problems with it, you ignore the question and make declarations about the 'tone' being 'hysterical', and demand that the entire page be deleted or pushed out of your line of sight - now for the second time!

The page stays. If you have issues with it, edit it, actually say what they are, or sit down and walk away. Everyone actually editing the page is willing to hear them. Minish (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

i'm a child? get the fuck over yourself. have you read the shite that this article consists of? and ive already told you why i'm not editing it - its too slanted to such a hysterical degree, editing it would require deleting it all and starting a fresh.

this is NOT a rationalwiki article AMassiveGay (talk) 15:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

ive tried to be polite about this but it is fucking trash AMassiveGay (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

There is no merit in engaging with you. You continue to be as unreasonable as you started, and it's plainly evident you have no interest in contributing when you continue to repeat how 'hysterical' this article is without actually being constructive. I will not be responding to this further. Minish (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

don't give me that shit. you have at no point addressed my concerns at all. the article as it stands is bloated nonsense. it gives too much weight to parties that don't need more than a mention. it does not adequately explain the situation going into this election, does not explain the issues that the election is being fought on, does not adequately explain what the consequences will, and its all done with a ridiculously hysterical tone that makes it a hard slog to actually read through, while giving such a skewed view of all involved that it is useless in giving an over view of the election.

on top of that, its not simply as matter of correcting falsehoods or dialling back the histrionics because the whole format is crap and not fit for purpose, making deleting and starting again the sensible option. AMassiveGay (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

"it gives too much weight to parties that don't need more than a mention. it does not adequately explain the situation going into this election, does not explain the issues that the election is being fought on, does not adequately explain what the consequences w[e]ll" Thank you for giving some constructive feedback - I'll engage now.
I disagree that it "gives too much weight to parties that don't need more than a mention" - unless you're referring to the new section made today, every section is needed to give an accurate view of the election in all areas of the country, something all previous GE pages (2010/2015/2017) have done. While I can see removing UKIP since they're dead weight, having entries for the SDLP and UUP helps to understand the situation in Northern Ireland, and having information of ChUK helps to understand the context of what happened before this election. Every party besides them and UKIP could win / hold seats in the election coming. Frankly, I believe I've failed by not including an entry for Alliance, a NI party that may get a seat.
I can see your point that "it does not adequately explain the situation going into this election" - while the individual entries include information on the histories of the parties, only the beginning and the first section are dedicated to it. Those could definitely be expanded.
I do not entirely disagree with your view the article "does not explain the issues that the election is being fought on" - the election is being fought on Brexit, social care, austerity, and environmentalism. While there is information on Brexit and austerity, information on social care and environmentalism for each party is lacking to some degree. Some entries could be rewritten to better show this.
I disagree that the article "does not adequately explain what the consequences w[e]ll", and disagree that this is achievable - we cannot tell the future, and Brexit among other things could play out many, many different ways. Informing the reader of each parties' history helps to narrow down would the future could be, however.
I hope you can accept that I'm not trying to sealion here, and sincerely trying to engage with you to improve the article. This is what the talk page is for. Minish (talk) 17:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

the problems are too ingrained. it is just biases just too prominent. it just is not a rationalwiki article. it would have been fine in essayAMassiveGay (talk) 18:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

+1 for essay space. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 22:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

+1 for edit it according to usual RW principles if you don't like it. If you don't like the format, suggest an alternative one on the talk page and if there are no serious objections, change it. --Annanoon (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Derp

Ignore the removals on my first edit, not sure how I managed that. McUrist (talk) 16:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Don't worry, it's cool. Minish (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Election night coverage

Behold. Since I'm sad, I'll probably be watching the results all night and put notable stuff on the coverage page if anyone else is interested. --RWRW (talk) 14:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hell yeah. I'll be posting in here tomorrow for sure. Happy to help kickstart and old tradition again Minish (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Horror

I don't think I can continue to defend this page in the face of what has transpired. Delete it. Move it to essay. I don't care anymore. How could I have gotten things so horribly wrong? Minish (talk) 23:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Covid

Should there be a note that, by pure chance, BoJo called the election before Covid became an actual issue ('rather than 'some new disease at the other end of Eurasia)?

I don't know what the procedures would be if an election was 'made to occur' when there was a lockdown (as UK elections can be a moveable feast): ditto fixed elections.. Anna Livia (talk) 20:46, 23 January 2024 (UTC)