Fun talk:Extrabiblical Proof of the Existence of Jesus Christ

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Actually, there are some non-Biblical pieces of evidence to say he wandered around about that time. Also, these tumbleweed articles are starting to drive my nut... Scarlet A.pngsshole 01:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Jesus was almost certainly based on a real person, or at the very least an amalgamation of several different people who lived around that time, but Jesus as he is depicted in the Bible is likely a fabrication. I Eat Glue (talk) 01:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Not that this is extrabiblical or proof but I am persuaded by the line of reasoning that states there must have been a person from Nazareth, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with the tortuous story to get him born at Bethlehem to fit in with the prophecy. If the whole thing was made up they would have just had him coming from Bethlehem. --DamoHi 01:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Timbleweed articles were funny a couple years back, but some lame noob coming along and pasting one up every time he/she thinks of some new variation is really, really boring. Think of your own jokes. P-Foster (talk) 02:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't i am to fucking lazy. but seriously the only accounts of christs existence outside the bible come from several hundred years after he was born. I'm not denying there was a dude named jesus the son of joseph and mary, who worked as a carpenter. in fact there were probabley several. what i am denying is that this individual contributed in any major way to religion. it looks more to me like the romans slapped some pre-existing mythology together to make a messiac figure--BenB (talk) 03:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it was the Romans at all. I think there was a band of Jewish followers of Jesus who set about forming their religion which spread all over the world. This is not to say that the early followers of Christ agreed on very much (the question of his divinity being one obvious issue) but to say it came from the Romans is more than a little silly. --DamoHi 03:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

We do need an article, and not in funspace, listing the extrabiblical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. I keep getting Christians claiming there is any then going vague when I ask for details - David Gerard (talk) 08:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm not over impressed with WP:Historicity_of_Jesus - but it suggests that there's more than Damo implies. One particular quote - "conclusions which are justified by the documentary evidence may be summed up as follows: Jesus was born somewhere in Galilee in the time of the Emperor Augustus, of a humble family, which included half a dozen or more children besides himself.". He (Charles Guignebert, Professor of the History of Christianity, at the Sorbonne) adds elsewhere "there is no reason to suppose he was not executed." Jack Hughes (talk) 09:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Move this back to mainspace and write an actual article. That paragraph in Josephus would be a good palce to start. Totnesmartin (talk) 10:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking delete and recreate a good article in mainspace. This seems to be the consensus. Blue Talk 20:34, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. --Onion <talk> 20:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)