RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Lies to children

Lies to children | Result: Deleted

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Keep

• With some fixing-up and removal of literal "lies to children" and more information on what that phrase actually refers to, the article can be reconciled with RW's objectives. ShapeshiftingLizard ~▲~ hear me roar ~▲~ 01:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
• It is not off-mission. Children are taught to obey to some degree of authority at a young age and some of them involves lies. It might seem like a minitaurized version of Authoritarianism at some level. And please keep the (deleted) fun space jokes if we are keeping this article. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 06:51, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

  Except that your interpretation has nothing to do with the intended meaning of the idiom - see the article's talk page or the first reason for deletion given below. (And this is one of the reasons why I think that the current form of deletion "discussions" is crap - the reason why an article was proposed for deletion gets buried and overlooked. And it seems that people don't look beyond the section they want to vote in.)--ZooGuard (talk) 09:27, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

• Personally I think that it isn't a bad idea or concept for an article. It needs revision not necessarily deletion. Samstr (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
• Nothing wrong with lists and if there are problems with the article fix instead of deleting if possible. Nobody is saying the whole thing is bad, are they? Nutty Roux (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (There was lots of time to fix it, and no one did) Ikanreed (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Delete

1. As pointed out on Talk:Lies to children, "lies to children" is an idiom coined by specific people with a specific meaning, and the current text of the article does not represent it correctly. It seems that it takes the literal meaning of the phrase too seriously and then tries to shoehorn all kinds of misconceptions-taught-in-US-schools under that label. At the moment, the article is a listicle with unclear inclusion criteria. It needs to be either mercilessly pruned and rewritten, or deleted until someone creates something better. ZooGuard (talk) 16:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
2. It's an arbitrary trivia list, and the information in it is lousy. Many of these are probably not taught to anyone, just common misconceptions by people who haven't studied the subject at all, and some of them are pulled out nowhere: e.g. nobody believes that "Martin Luther King united all Americans behind stopping racism". Some of the 'explanations' on the page are worse than the myths themselves (e.g. the one I removed stating "the Puritans left England after people literally didn't want to put up with their totalitarian shit"). Give the author of option of moving it essay/user space; otherwise delete. Ŵêâŝêîôîď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 07:05, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
3. I agree with all of the above. The title of the page is misleading because it doesn't correspond much to real education anymore. The page is just a list of popular misconceptions, such as you can find on dozens of different webshites, and serves no useful purpose. Spud (talk) 06:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
4. As it corresponds with popular misconceptions, the article should be deleted, but the information folded into a more appropriate space. --Castaigne (talk) 19:30, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Goat

• Children are idiots who believe almost anything you tell them. Ikanreed (talk) 16:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)