Talk:Armenian genocide denial
Silver[edit]
Incredibly missional, and decent article. I'd say this is a coinflip, but I'm leaning towards Silver... CorruptUser 02:44, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Somebody needs to comb through and make sure there isn’t any more “kill all Turks” rhetoric from Summa left in here.
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 03:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Committed by secular Turks ?[edit]
"The article also claims that the genocide, which was committed by the secular Young Turks, actually had been done out of Islamism." The Turks had engaged in mass rape of women of Christian ethnicities, while kidnapping children and forcibly converting them to Islam. How can this be motivated by "secular" turks ? Indianfreethinker (talk) 17:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Forced conversions are usually about religion, but in Turkey's case they were about the elimination of foreign peoples. It'd be like someone banning Islam, *cough*China*cough*, even if the Muslims didn't have to convert to your specific religion. CorSock (talk) 18:30, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Very bad take. Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians had been living in Anatolia for far longer than the Turks. Calling them ¨foreign¨ gives the opposite impression.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 15:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Insulting Turkishness[edit]
Article 301 was amended in 2008 to say "the Turkish nation" instead of "Turkishness" and now explicit permission from the Ministry is required to invoke it. (See the Wikipedia page.) Reference 11 points to a 2004 version of the law. So yeah. at least we have that going Bilge Adam Reis (talk) 20:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Memri.org as a source[edit]
MEMRI is known to deliberately mistranslate or badly translate Arab and Persian news programs (because it's an Israeli propaganda mill, but that's besides the point). Should we really be using them as a source? Vee (talk) 10:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Go ahead an swap em out.
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 12:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Anti-Turkish and Kurdish biased article[edit]
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First and foremost, I will state that trying to reconcile holocaust and the Armenian genocide is a futile attempt. The Jew in Germany: They did not gang up and raid German settlements, they did not kill anyone. They did not want to claim and take land in almost half of Germany like the Armenians did in the Ottoman Empire. The Jews did not abuse the positions they had within the German Empire in favor of their enemies. Most of them were even honorary war heroes. On the contrary, the Armenians used the positions and status they had gained to undermine the Ottomans at every opportunity. (Those who want an example should research how the Armenian Foreign Minister of the Ottoman Empire during the Balkan Wars, Gabriel Noradunkyan, played an important role in the purchase of weapons by the Serbs and the shipment of these weapons to Serbia.) The Germans sent the Jews to the oven. The Ottomans aimed to temporarily remove them from the region on the orders of the German General Staff so that they would not cause problems on the Caucasus Front. It is said by Ottoman population statistics that the Armenian population of Ottoman Empire in 1914 was 1.173.422. Lets say they forgot to count 100.000 Armenians. Thats still 1,273,422. If we round up to 1.3 million, its still not 1.5 million. A quick looking at Ottoman archives shows Armenian gangs brutally and barbarically killing unarmed Turks and Kurds. There are photo evidences of this. https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/61-%20bds_ermenilerin_katliam_fotograflari.pdf https://web.itu.edu.tr/~altilar/tobi/e-library/UponTurks/Photos.pdf Archivce documents documenting killings perpetrated by Armenian gangs: Armenians wanted a seperate land from Ottoman empire since 1860s. They committed numerous terrorist actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Ottoman_Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Abdul_Hamid_II Nobody denies innocent Armenians got killed. But even before the war started they started organizing their militia to hit the Ottoman army from behind. "Winter of 1914 and the Spring of 1915 were the periods of greatest enthusiasm and hope for all the Armenians in the Caucasus, including, of course, the Dashnagtzoutiun. We had no doubt that the war would end with the complete victory of the Allies; Turkey would be defeated and dismembered, and its Armenian population would at last be liberated. We had embraced Russia whole-heartedly without any compunction. Without any positive basis of fact we believed that the Tzarist government would grant us a more-or-less broad self-government in the Caucasus and in the Armenian vilayets liberated from Turkey as a reward for our loyalty, our efforts and assistance. The deportations and mass exiles and massacres which took place during the Summer and Autumn of 1915 were mortal blows to the Armenian Cause. Half of historical Armenia -“ the same half where the foundations of our independence would be laid according to the traditions inherited by European diplomacy -“ that half was denuded of Armenians: the Armenian provinces of Turkey were without Armenians. The Turks knew what they were doing and have no reason to regret today. It was the most decisive method of extirpating the Armenian Question from Turkey." -Hovhannes Kajaznuni It was populations killing each other, resulting in ethnic cleansing, not genocide. — Unsigned, by: Madytvs / talk / contribs |