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Good work with the anarchism article[edit]

I'm quite new to the wiki and I don't have many edits under my belt, but you did a lot of good work on the anarchism article. I applaud it. I'm more to the left side of the spectrum but it definitely critques anarchism fairly without devolving into less positive ideologies. Good stuff, I'll take notes on how to make edits to wiki pages in the future from it. ---Ozzyboo (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'm not even sure what my ideology is. I used to be a libertarian, but even then not really. CorruptUser 17:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Clarify the trans stuff[edit]

You said some pretty weird shit about transgender people in the Saloon and I want you to clarify your positions. 1: What do you think of minors transitioning through hormones? (not surgery) 2: What do you think about transgender people in sports? 3: What do you think about transgender people requesting others use their pronouns? I want to discuss this in good faith. ---Ozzyboo (talk) 20:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

1) I think it's something that should be regulated by every state medical board in terms of what's considered the standard of care in each state. That said, I think it should be the same age as age of consent, e.g., if your state says 16, then you can begin hormones at 16.
2) It's important to understand that women's sports are their own league in order to allow women to be able to compete at all; if the schools had simply changed Men's Track&Field into the Open category, women would almost never get any chance to play, let alone win once in a while. That's why Title IX is there. So there is a rationale to preventing transwomen from competing in women's sports, on the condition that the trans athletes are still allowed on the men's team.
3) If the person presents as female/male, I'm using she/her|he/him regardless of their history, because what's in their pants are private for a reason. I can respect the use of "they" if the person really wants their gender to be private. I will not use neopronouns; sorry, you ain't special enough for me to remember a unique set of pronouns. CorruptUser 22:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
1) What is your reasoning for this?
2) I haven't seen anyone rightfully argue pre-transition trans women should play in women's sports unrestricted, but there is an argument to be made that HRT substantially reduces any advantage transgender women would have. The jury is still out on it, it needs more research.
3) This is just ignorant, honestly. People can also use they/them pronouns if they don't want to use he or she, and that's alright, nothing wrong with it and it's not that difficult. Neopronouns aren't an exception to this. Saying "you aren't special enough for me to remember a unique set of pronouns" is as asinine as saying "I won't use your name because you aren't special enough for me to remember your unique name."
I also want to posit an additional question. Do you believe that the aims of transgender rights activists go against the interests of the majority? And if so, is it a bad thing? ---Ozzyboo (talk) 18:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
1a) From what I understand, the overwhelming majority of people with gender dysphoria of some kind "grow out of it". Being confused is part of adolescence, and for those that grow out of it, you are doing them a horrible disservice by permanently altering them. All the sex hormones have permanent effects, anyone telling you otherwise is lying to your face.
1b) As for why 16 and not sooner, or whatever each state decides, I believe that that is the point where (the state believes) the person is truly mature enough to make such a life-altering decision as the hormones. As for surgeries, again, that's even more drastic.
2) The "jury isn't still out", transwomen retain massive advantages over ciswomen even three years later. It needs to be on a sport-by-sport basis, as the advantages are not equally valuable in every sport.
3) No. I've no problem with, e.g., referring to Caitlynn Jenner using her pronouns, but I'm not going to memorize a new set of pronouns nor stop a conversation to tell someone what a particular person's pronouns are if I'm talking about them. They/them is perfectly valid for someone whose sex I don't know, and I think it's fine to extend that to people who want to keep it that way.
4) The question is asinine because there isn't one single set of aims of every transgender activist. Some are trying to get simple, reasonable things, while others... less so. CorruptUser 18:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
1) This is why hormone blockers exist, so transgender youth don't make drastic, life altering decisions without figuring themselves out. But you yourself have stated that you don't support hormone blockers because you think they have irreversible effects, despite evidence to the contrary Also, I never said minors should have elective cosmetic surgery.
2) The study you linked has been criticized as having a conflict of interest.
3) Again, then why memorize people's names? You're applying this line of thinking solely to neopronouns without considering how asinine it is.
4) Clarify what "simple, reasonable things" are and what things are "less so." ---Ozzyboo (talk) 19:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Aside) I think the main issue I have with Trans is that I believe that we should be focused on getting people to accept themselves as they are. We aren't all smart, tall, attractive, or absolutely everything we want to be, and we need to come to terms with that. It's why I believe that magazines/adverts shouldn't have significantly altered images of models on the cover, and especially we should not allow plastic monstrosities such as Kim Kardashian to be on TV; this warps the public's perception of what the perfect human body even is. Yeah, I'm squicked out by the gender reassignment surgery, but I'm just as disgusted that we live in a world where breast implants, face lifts, botox, rhinoplasty, and so forth are some of the most common procedures in the hospital. Heck, I'm even disgusted by Elon Musk's hair surgery, the phony.
Yes, sometimes, being Trans does mean the person is, in fact, accepting that they aren't the gender their body is, but I don't think that's anywhere near the number of people who are now identifying as Trans or NB. But in keeping with my philosophy of "aksept yerself", even if a person needs to surgically transition, at some point they can once again cross over into the "too much fakery" part. I get that no one wants to be ugly, but if you can pass for an ugly woman then the gender-affirming surgery ceases to be about gender affirming and is once again in the territory of plastic fakeness.
1a) Mayo clinic disagrees.
1b) Meh, in all honesty, I'd be more comfortable with youth hormones and so forth if I could be assured that there is, in fact, some form of "gatekeeping" such as a psychiatrist actually signing off that the young patient needs X treatment. And only escalated to HRT if therapy alone isn't able to help the patient lead a healthy life.
2) It's hardly the only study. The differences do shrink, and again, it should be decided on a sport-by-sport level.
3a) Your brain stores a person's identity in 3 different locations. That's why you sometimes can remember what a person looks like, what they did, but for the life of you you can't remember their name. I don't think pronouns are anywhere nearly unique as names when it comes to that.
3b) Languages are about communication, and unique pronouns do nothing to make communication any easier. Imagine trying to explain to an EMT about a person's medical history, and having to fumble over an entirely new set of grammatical rules; even if the EMTs are already familiar with the new pronouns, you are only slowing down the transfer of information. Especially if the person you are talking about does that dumb shit where their pronouns are dependent upon their mood that particular day. There's an argument to be made about why we even have gendered pronouns to begin with as opposed to only they/them, but just be glad that otherwise, English got rid of most of the gender rules.
4a) Simple, reasonable; being able to change gender identity on driver's license. Adoption and marriage.
4b) Less simple; the nonsense with neopronouns.
4c) Harmful; bringing kids to drag shows. Trying to redefine rape-by-deception. CorruptUser 21:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Alright. I have no further desire to discuss this on your talkpage after this. I raised the issue in ATIM. ---Ozzyboo (talk) 21:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
LOL @ the statement "I want to discuss this in good faith", and then throwing an ATIM a day later. What a bunch of horseshit.
I have issues with some of Cory's statements (hormone therapy is relatively accepted in the medical community, for instance, and fuck you Cory for dissing the entirely age appropriate drag queen pepperpots of Monty Python), but crying for mods after so little discussion is left-wing epistemic closure at its finest.
The Lia Thomas situation shows some of the challenges with the whole transgender-in-sports thing, for instance. It's not cut and dry.
That's the problem with social media these days, so much virtue signaling, grandstanding, and narrow-minded clustering... (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Who are you? CorruptUser 03:33, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

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I *am* an IT guy, as it happens (though an ol' far Microsoft legacy sort of one :) ). Since The Powers That Be are too afraid of the KenDoll to open up the bar these days (sigh -- just throw a few anti-spam measures on VPNs if you are that concerned), this would be my thoughts on the actual impact of Twitter's mass employee exodus.
A) Some corners of The Internets are sure saying "OMG MASS COLLAPSE!" for Twitter. Actually, once you get software up and running smoothly, it's going to be operating in "happy path" mode, until Some Shit Happens, or until "bit rot" settles in with environment changes etc. I really don't expect there to be problems until that point. I am going to guess that emergency response times, however, will be impacted to some degree (maybe a huge degree even, but we'll see). One additional comment, though: Twitter as I understand it was one of those companies that went all-in on "microservices". I have personally detested that architecture style and have found it to be actually quite a bit more problematic compared to alternatives. So maybe Twitter's technical side is in more trouble then I think.
B) Tribal knowledge, however, can become quite important with new development, unless Twitter is actually one of those rare companies where the technical documentation is in order. So I imagine that there will be some impact to new development time, though probably not at a level the user sees as much. "Workaround hacks" will become more common in development, particularly with Musk's crunch-time-all-the-time management style. So expect newer features to be more unstable then typical, I think.
C) The *real* problem as I see it is Twitter's business model, which up until this point was 90% advertising funded. This requires something called "communication with advertisers" in order to sell Twitter as an awesome place to target and manage Ads etc. From what I understand already this has been severely impacted. In addition, moderation communication has also been severely impacted, with takedown requests for the fake accounts taking a while. Mainline advertisers are going to frown on that, too.
Musk, of course, can chose to burn his own money running the site in order to become his vision of being the next 4Chan 2.0 or Gab, Truth Social, etc., which seems to be the current direction of his vision, where you are free to tweet the n-word, trans jokes, hate, etc. with no fear of consequences. (Tweeting anti-Musk jokes, though, seems to be verboten. :p ) But he won't be able to run a profitable mainline business this way, as mainline advertisers in general don't want to do Sponsored Content for neo-Nazis. Can Musk find a business model that does work? Not for the amount he paid for Twitter, I don't think... none of alt-right business models I know of (like the subscription models Gab uses) generate *huge* amounts of revenue. And upping the toxic content in turn will probably will eventually decimate the user base, as the current power center of Twitter (journalists, politicians, and celebrities) leave, though it'll be a process that will take time given Twitter's world-wide reach. (I'm not even going to touch the potential government problems, of course... Musk vs. EU privacy and speech regulations for instance is a whole other ballgame, if there's no one to manage the EU end, a real possibility, you can see EU regulators possibly licking their lips in anticipation. Then there's the authoritarians...)
So personally, I see the "Twitter wasteland" problem as less a technical issue and more a people issue and business model one. Probably Twitter will still exist for a long time (even with more pronounced technical glitches) since code that works can work for quite a while and Musk can continue reaching in his pocketbook to "keep the lights on". Hell, there are worse managed sites that still continue to exist. But once the trolls and shitposters flood the network, the users may flock away, as some seem to be doing already (to Mastodon for the tech/intellectual types, to Tumblr for the artsy types, etc.), leaving the content to be extremely polluted bullshit that no sensible person will touch with a 20 foot pole. MHO. BobJohnson (talk) 18:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
So basically, twitter will run for a bit until it doesn't, the code won't be improved over time, and the people generating new revenue aren't there anymore. So Musk better have a good team ready to go, which I don't think he does. He's basically playing dollhouse, the way SpaceX is basically Real Life Kerbal Space Program. CorruptUser 14:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I fell for it too[edit]

While I still generally agree with you, I'll take the L on missing the TikTok watermark. The hypersensitivity (see also, persuasive definitionWikipedia) you're encountering extends to other subjects, apparently thinking someone's name should be pronounced right is vile and disgusting for... something. Despite no one bothering to notify me I'm aware of the ATIM, though I have no reason to join in. I'm not any more popular in real life than I seem to be here, if that means this place has a little more (I'd say much-needed) ideological diversity that's fine. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:17, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

The video was all over the right-o-sphere. I mean, the others are probably right that it's not as bad as what LoTT made it out to be, though the video doesn't exactly look good. There are probably better videos/pics I should've used, but w/e. Hopefully the ATIM settles down, but if it doesn't, eh, who knows. CorruptUser 21:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Indeed. Even knowing the source I can't think of a particularly good explanation for it, to be sure. And yeah, knowing when to just take a walk is a useful skill, it's the way I've managed to be an admin on TOW for 11+ years. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:24, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
LoTT is a bit weird for me. Technically all her videos are "real", but often out of context. In terms of what her channel does, it's the equivalent of compiling videos of people being drunken idiots in a culture where alcohol isn't strictly illegal but many strongly despise it, and some of those drunken idiots happen to be sober, pretending to be drunk, high on something other than alcohol, and it's not possible to tell if that's the case. It's one thing if they are real; being "dangerous" is not a valid reason for restricting the truth IMHO, but if they aren't then it's indefensible even if the result is the same. CorruptUser 21:55, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds about right. Too bad someone more sane couldn't be the one collating such things. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
That's just it, isn't it? If she was moderate/reasonable, she'd still be despised by the Left but not embraced by the Right, so she'd receive all the vitriol with none of the support that comes along with it. We need to figure out how to make a world where the moderate position is the one with the most benefits. CorruptUser 22:10, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
There are a few people I read, the most prominent is Cathy Young, who generally seem reasonable; she actually wrote about LoTT here (I don't remember it being paywalled, if I find one that's not I can link to it). Pretty much all the right people can't stand her work, which is a good sign. Scott Greenfield's SimpleJustice blog is interesting for on-the-ground legal takes, too. But more broadly, if LoTT could've been more like BadLegalTakes on Twitter (which is strictly nonpartisan) it would be way less toxic. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
@The Blade of the Northern Lights Blegh, I need to go soak my head. Was not hoping to make more enemies, but, here we are. CorruptUser 02:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
If it helps, I've had a worse night than you. Unless your "best friend" decided out of nowhere to stop talking to you because her jealous boyfriend (who's never had the balls to actually confront me, a man who's never dated and never will) wrongly thinks I'm after his (12 years older than me) girlfriend you're doing better than me; the darkly hilarious part is I found out all this while taking a walk, I mean what can you fucking do? But I saw the latest bit at ATIM, and I'm not sure how much I'll help but I figured I'd give it a shot. At least someone has to try not approaching everything you say with manifest bad faith. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't know if there's any advice I can give in your sitch, but as bad as it is for you I'm also worried about your friend. The first step in any abusive relationship is to isolate the person from all of their friends. I mean, if your friendship predates their relationship, and it's obvious you aren't some "orbiter" waiting for the boyfriend to screw up so he can swoop in, that seems suspicious. You said you'd never date; is that because you are Ace, or have just "given up" trying to find relationships? If it's the former, that's fine; just gotta live the life you want to. If it's the latter, my advice for all guys is to stop thinking you "deserve" better. Start off by shaving, getting a haircut, ironing your clothes, etc etc. Get in a routine, because while you don't think people notice, they notice. Then focus on acquiring skills. No, not pickup artistry or gaming, but things like electrician or mechanic. Society doesn't give a shit about you beyond what you can do for it, but if you become someone who contributes to society, surprisingly, society does find a way to reward you. Because nobody "deserves" anything beyond what they contribute.
Honestly, I'm in a similar but nowhere near as bad position. I have an ex girlfriend, or really ladyfriend since we are long since adults, who I'm still on occasional speaking terms with; we decided to "just be friends" and very slowly drifted apart. I have a new lf, but ultimately, no woman wants to know that her manfriend is still talking to his ex, even if we (me and the ex) know we would never end up together. Likewise, I suspect my ex has a new mf, and I'm happy she does, but I doubt he wants to know I occasionally say hi. CorruptUser 04:12, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. Your situation sounds like a lot to handle, sorry you're dealing with that. The short of mine is we were coworkers for 2+ years working with disabled adults, and her long-term boyfriend (who predates me by ~4 years) is an ex-con; on the surface he's a success story about putting his life back together. I've met him, and he was always fine to me in person, but got all fucking whacked out about me the moment she left the agency. We've kept in touch via text for 5+ years, until tonight somehow now it's the End Of The World if we stay in touch because now he knows we have been (it says something about how attentive he was to her, not noticing that for that long). Something doesn't add up, but being someone with The Big A I know asking questions just gets me gaslit, since people with more social intelligence than me inevitably play games with me I know I can't win. And it's somehow my fault, the way it always is.
I'm 32, and literally half a lifetime ago some married woman who befriended me (10 years older than me!) then falsely accused me of having a crush on her, which poisoned me to ever thinking of an intimate relationship, plus thanks to autism any physical touch is slightly less pleasant than holding a lighter against my skin (hence my insistence that I don't like seeing any of it, I truly don't discriminate). Even this hasn't convinced me to give up my long hair and beard, but thankfully I still like my job working with disabled adults where my appearance isn't an issue; since I'm a Rush fan I like to think of myself as nobody's hero, in 2009 I actually played that song in front of 2,000 Boy Scouts (before gay rights was such a cause celebre). As much as I'm absolutely irate, I told her that if she ever really needs someone I'm there; I wouldn't be shocked if I got that call/text in the not-too-distant future. Men can be helpful sometimes, especially men who are conscientious beyond the "toxic masculinity" stereotype we all seem to be forced into. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I don't know how to get over the tactile sensitivity, but you shouldn't let the accusation "poison" your life. You also don't have to give up the long hair and beard, if you take care of it via, e.g., braiding it. If you are taking care of yourself by spending time on your beard, etc, then it will look like you take care of yourself. I don't know what clothes you wear, but again, ironing them is important, making sure they fit right, etc etc. I'd also recommend the gym, but that's just my muscle-head talking. But be warned about expectations of the gym; women like a guy that is somewhat bulked, but muscle alone won't attract the ladies. I should know; I bench well over 3 pairs of plates, and I get more attention from the bros than the ladies. CorruptUser 05:06, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I've never felt like I'm missing out being single, that's all I've wanted after that experience; anything more is too complicated for my taste. Just never thought a "close friend" would ever burn me like that again. I'm in reasonable shape, I dress casual (at my job I have a non-zero chance I'll be cleaning blood, shit, or barf on any given day) but not like a total slob. Enough to get by in my native southwestern Connecticut, which is simultaneously super-liberal and super-uptight in a way only those who've spent time here can understand. I hope your friend never does to you what happened to me tonight, I'd even take a very occasional exchange over whatever it was that just happened to me. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. Bongolian (talk) 15:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Bongo! CorruptUser 01:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to your 30s[edit]

It kinda all starts to makes sense. It's okay, most people spend more time thinking about themselves than other people. You're allowed to do that too, I would just suggest getting used to not being an asshole know it all by default. Torrent (talk) 03:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Been in my 30s for a while now. CorruptUser 14:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Not bad, not bad.[edit]

Though my instant reaction was "Oh, that really sounds like an old Lorde track!" Well, except for the "Fuck bitches | Get money | Blow cash." at the end. Should get that on a T-shirt. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 19:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)