Talk:Fascism

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Trumpism

Are you sure it’s a good idea to add trumpism in the comparison box for Paxton’s definition? It might be seen as controversial. Rational Dude (talk) 17:38, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Switching trumpism for desantism

I think we should consider adding desantism to the paxton wikitable? Desantis seems to be more fascist than trump ever was (and trump literally did a coup). Rational Dude (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone help with sources?

Cosmik has stated that some of statements lack citations either remove the claims or add appropriate citation. I'm going through the article and adding citations and removing some of the claims so who would help me ←§ Reichtangle (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Recent edit

I'm kinda conflicted about @RationalDude's recent edit to this article. On the one hand, denouncing fascism and similar movements is one of RationalWiki's goals, and the statement that the fasces is too unwieldy to be used is a pretty nice way of quickly saying that fascism solves no problems and ultimately makes things worse until it self-destructs. On the other hand, the fasces page includes an anecdote where the fasces was put to a practical purpose; it probably wasn't the best tool for the job, but it was on hand and it worked well enough (huh, that sounds familiar). So I'm honestly torn on whether to undo the edit or not. Thoughts? --Luigifan18 (talk) 13:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree. The old caption was better. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 14:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Some definitions

Putting aside our Frankfurt's friends that would contend private property itself is already the basis of everything bad and then some in the world, I believe there are two different schools of thought on the matter here.
One has the scale going (from milder to worse): Authoritarianism > Fascism > Totalitarianism, and another goes Authoritarianism > Totalitarianism > Fascism.
Now, on the first term staying there I don't think there are too many disputes (it is basically a glorified personality trait). But insofar as you want each of them to be one the superset of the previous, I cannot for the life of me understand the second order.
Like, does anybody even consider fascist Italy?* In what way does any of its, duh, fascist elements were more severe or oppressing than any other totalitarian state? Unless you want to let words rather than deeds speak**, or you think that just because you aren't choosing race as a basis for your "eternal war with the enemy among us" then that's inherently superior (better a Jew in Rome in 1938 after the racial laws***, than any random body in Moscow then).
This (especially anglophone, shall I contend) attitude of taking fascists at face value also usually goes hand in hand with the pretence that fascism would be an ideology. Which is frankly laughable to anybody knowing about Mussolini****, or having two braincells to remember what Trump says between odd and even days (or even just hours). We know that whatever they say is just self-serving bullshit to get past whatever their current obstacle to power is, yes? No matter the amount of theoreticians they may surround with. --Mirh (talk) 02:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

* taken as an example because there's famously a whole dispute on the incompleteness of its totalitarianism (both because the party never 100% replaced the state, and also because the higher echelons of the party weren't sycophants)
** by all means, I cannot think anybody that ever liked so much to just patently and explicitly brag that they were narrowing freedom (not even in name of some greater good, but just because), including boasting to be totalitarian
*** at least if you were a citizen, you were limited but not persecuted (notwithstanding the fact this still amounted to a betrayal even of the regime's own supposed protection of italian and mediterranean culture)
**** aside of the aforementioned about-face, long story short let's just say that economy changed *quadrant* of the political compass between the first and last years of his reign (fun fact: by the time the war broke out Italy had 42% of its economy produced by state-controlled enterprises, only second in the world to the CCCP)

Fascism is colonialism applied to white people. There's your definition. Carthage (talk) 02:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)