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Hezbollah as far-right?[edit]

@Cosmikdebris Good piece, my only minor comment is that while Hezbollah is extremist, they are at least nominally far-left. They are historically allied with left-extremist governments in Iran and Syria, and were pitted against the right-wing Lebanese Falangists in the 1980s. There is also some evidence they receive financial support from Venezuela. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 18:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

I think you meant to ping @EK here. They are the author of this piece; all I did was add the rated template to the talk page. —Cosmikdebris (talk) 19:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I wouldn't call the governments of Iran and Syria "leftist" by any means, tho the terms "left" and "right" are pretty meaningless as it stands. The Alawites, which rule(d) Syria, are Shiites, and so are the Persians. Hezbollah is also a Shiite militia, so make of that what you will. Oxyaena Harass 19:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
My apologies Cosmikdebris, I should indeed have pinged @EK instead. @Oxyaena: Yes, it's more that they're quasi-leftist-in-a-Cold-War-allegiance-holdover kind of way. But then Russia isn't leftist ATM. In any case I don't believe we can maintain that Hezbollah is far right, per se, though I don't think anyone would have an issue with "extremist" or other terms? CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 00:18, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Of course not, but the IDF is also extremist by any reasonable definition. Anyways the fact a term exists that lumps an anarchist like me in with the USSR shows how it's just a meaningless buzzword. Oxyaena Harass 10:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Hezbollah is far-right in this context in the same way as the "nominally far-left" nazi party isnt considered to be leftist by sane people. EK (talk) 12:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
The IDF is far-right both in terms of historical ties to apartheid RSA and current occupation policy in Palestine, but I don't see how that's connected to Hezbollah -- apart from the fact that they have been pitted against each other for a while in direct and proxy conflicts, again making Hezbollah nominally far left, not right. My point remains and I think is unanswered: what justification is there for calling an extremist organisation nominally on the left, "far right"? The far-right support they have is a few American alt-righters on Reddit and Twitter who support Hezbollah only ironically in the sense that they are antisemites. The Nazi analogy is weak: nobody other than fascists who are trolling, some blithering idiots on Stupidpol, and a few unironic Strasserites and Duginist NazBol idiots claim Nazis were socialists with any seriousness. I mean, left authoritarianism is one of the four political quadrants, and that is where Hezbollah nominally positions itself. Whether this is of mere convenience or not, one can scarcely call Hezbollah "far right" when they have as a stated goal anti-imperalism, and are part of the leftist March 8 Alliance bloc in the Lebanese parliament. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)