Talk:LSD

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Editorial notes More sections please! Blue (pester) 04:42, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

brain psychosis

I disagree. I think it's more like an extreme "fight or flight" response - time slows down, senses are enhanced, etc. Of course, in larger amounts (useful doses) one is reduced to contemplating the universe or listening to music one wave at a time... ħuman 03:25, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

In large doses it does mimic psychosis, hence it's use by psychologists in the early days who'd take it with patients in order to connect with them. Aceⁱ⁹ 03:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

No it doesn't. Modern science does NOT regard LSD as a true psychotomimetic. PCP is considered to be the closest drug that mimics psychosis. ^{— Unsigned, by: 128.151.84.33 / talk / contribs} 02:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I actually got diagnosed with clinical drug-induced psychosis after a high dose of LSD. Though it's not entirely known if the LSD alone is what caused it. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 04:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC).

LSD 'casualties'

This is extremely unscientific to put it mildly. There is no evidence whatsoever that shows that LSD causes schizophrenia. This should be removed. ^{— Unsigned, by: 128.151.84.33 / talk / contribs} 02:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Expert help please

Tried to add some stuff about how LSD works. I was able to get down shit about how it’s a serotonin receptor agonist etc. but tbh I don’t fully understand anything further than that. I know there’s some kind of crosswiring as described here, but this shit is way too advanced for me. Someone who understands brain stuff, please help! 💙 ASELA^{និយាយ} 💙 11:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

4th dimensional beings

Some psychonauts on reddit have increasing amounts of trips of being trapped in the third dimension being cared for by beings outside of it. Anyone here with Psychadelic experience have opinions?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/hqzxuf/isolation_me_pen_and_markers_on_a4_2020/

"I interpret this as how we as humans have a limited perception of this world. We are currently trapped in the third dimension being observed and cared for by beings outside our dimension."

"The grid, the eyes, the bits of data, and pyramids and geometry. That's what I've been seeing in ever increasing visceral ways through my last trips. What are your theories you're pondering with all this?"

"Ah yes, The Model!"

"Awesome drawing. The mathematical vibes are pushing all the buttons for me"

"This is insanely accurate"

Why would some people have such a similar trip idea? I don't believe this but near the end of my pot problems had a strong trip related to this idea. No real coherant narrative but general imagined ideas I'm being watched, the "people" watching me through a weird Myst-like device walking away when I realized this, music from Hyperrogue and pondering of a 4th dimention tying the idea of time together spatially, with Past-present-future being on the W axis, so to speak. I do not ascribe to these beliefs but they have been hard to shake sometimes.

This idea is not the only one not only felt by multiple people but have been hard to shake by them: Solipsism and Monist ideas have been generally persistently experienced, and these ideas are likely mutually exclusive when closely examined except from ad-hoc reasoning only theoretically testable ("solipsism is true because we are all one thing"). I want to stress again I do not believe any of this.--2friedeggs (talk) 02:42, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Why do people find commonality in dreams? It may be the case that people unknowingly and unconsciously internalize certain narratives about the psychedelic experience but there is also the possibility much like dreams the content isn't actually experienced in a consistent narrative but only interpreted as such after the fact because our brains are in a analogous sense "wet-wired" to find meaning in ambiguous information. The idea of 4th dimensional beings being the product of psychedelic experiences is somewhat of a cultural trope (which I don't even know whether or not it translate cross culturally) but when you are in the throws of a really intense trip you sometimes have periods of ambiguous perceptions in the form of difficult to describe hallucinations that after the fact you may feel compelled to attempt to describe to others. "I perceived nonsensical images and sounds" is not as interesting as "I saw the incomprehensible face of God". It may also have something to do with what areas of the brain are being stimulated. For examples if the fusiform face area was being stimulated there is a good chance you may start to perceive "faces" in your perceived environment. People with a similar neural architecture and/or similar cultural background having similar experiences when exposing their brain to an identical chemical isn't really so far fetched. It reminds me of a quote from Hunter S. Thompson "just because there is a light at the end of the tunnel, does not mean that someone or some force is there behind it". - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 02:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC).

@2friedeggs I would not assume that their trip ideas are all that similar. "Mathematical vibes" is pretty vague. Vomitorium (talk) 03:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

It kind of reminds me of a philosopher who tried to claim that people tripping balls in South America with a clinical psychologist would report seeing animals like panthers having never seen them before. Part of me just thinks the people reported seeing a large black cat, and the psychologist just ran with the most extraordinary interpretation. Motivated reasoning can be a hell of a bitch. But having tripped myself there just so much stuff that you see and feel that will never be put into words, but that has never led me to think to assign any particular meaning or supernatural component to them. To me all psychological experiences is just the chemical and electrical activity of sufficiently complex neural networks, any profound or nonsensical experience from psychedelics can be explained by disordered activity created via chemical intervention. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 04:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

This is not actually an idea I came across before my trip, but it doesn't exactly feel very original to begin with anyways. I looked it up shortly later and found out it's a relatively though-of one. The idea it is somewhat of a trope is odd to me because I only started to see this in sites like "Big Think" which never seemed very reliable to me anyways despite quoting scientific papers due to its... odd ideas. Thing is this is literally the place that I read about this. But it is the first place that wasn't social media I saw the idea that beings indistinguishable from "God" could exist extra-dimensionally. I can't find the article where it goes this far though.

Be that as it may I wish I could find places to read about this sort of Dimensional Woo with a skeptical POV.--2friedeggs (talk) 05:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)