Talk:Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory

To what extent did FDR, and 'the military and administrative leaderships' expect/plan for #some# involvement in WWII - to protect the US' interests abroad? Pearl Harbor meant that the US was at war with #only# Japan - the only reason 'the war on terror' was extended to Germany was due to Hitler's declaration of war on the US in support of Japan. 212.85.6.26 (talk) 17:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Where is my favourite idea? That Pearl Harbor was a false flag operation by Australia to bring the US into the war to assist them. - π 23:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I haven't head that one, so you know more than I do. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 23:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I have only ever seen it once, I'll see if I can find again. - π 23:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

One Thing

Went to the FDR museum/presidential library, and they actually have documents from earlier in the year about US Intelligence hearing about the Japanese planning to attack Pearl Harbor. Now, what they said was that it was just filed away and forgotten about, but it is an interesting fact. --PosthumanHeresy (talk) 03:27, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

The parallel between that and "Bin Laden determined to attack United States" is interesting. In both cases, such a document sounds very incriminating after-the-fact. But beforehand, it's just signal in a sea of noise, and not terribly useful signal at that. What should FDR have done -- shut down Pearl Harbor altogether? That would only have shifted the threat to another island base, presumably.

Of course, I am speaking out of ignorance here; there may well be standard military procedures to deal with the knowledge of an enemy planning to attack a certain location. But I feel that the sea-of-noise point still basically stands. (And I do think the US could have better anticipated 9/11, but there was a whole dysfunctional system beyond the ignorance of the one document, such as the friction between the CIA and the FBI.) 209.158.7.20 (talk) 01:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

In addition, do have a look at the Pearl Harbour reference here. The idea that it was deliberate to draw the US into the war misunderstands a lot of things. ^narchist 16:52, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Not up to SpaceBattles standards ;___;

Apparently. So! We have just failed to be up to scratch for our beloved public, when they are confronted with a conspiracy bozo! I think the missing ingredient would be citations. Anyone know this area well? - David Gerard (talk) 12:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

More arguments against

The following would apply to varying extents to this and other conspiracies

• The paper trail - documents do get misplaced, contain passing mentions to other documents/events/discussions.
• Spies and others with a vested interest in finding things out (it would be a propaganda coup for the USSR)
• 'Muggins here won't get the blame if these documents are kept and it all goes wrong.'
• 'Having moved to somewhere relatively inaccessible I can publish these documents and earn a lot.'
• 'Our current models predict (what turns out to be the wrong answer).

Others? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Trying to phrase the biggest crack in the theory.

I'm trying to phrase in the page what I feel is the biggest thing anyone promoting this conspiracy tries to ignore. That Japan DID attack. There's no question that Japan launched an attack on America. How exactly does any thing else matter? Is the implication that if FDR had intercepted the attack... America would have just brushed off a sneak attack on its navy? I'm trying to think of a good way of putting that in here, while making it still fit the tone of the page, and humorous. Any ideas? Revolverman (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

There's this to think about too: if FDR successfully intercepted the attack, it wouldn't stop conspiracy theorists to claim that he staged the attack just to promote war against Japan, wouldn't it? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

I mean, I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that it was a false flag. The most I've seen is the claim that The US intentionally provoked Japan into attacking the US as a justification to going to war. (in the same breath that they claim the Union provoked the Confederacy into attacking Fort Sumter.). But going on the most common claim (That FDR knew that an attack by the Japanese was coming, and allowed it to happen) is fundamentally flawed in that the Japanese still attacked America (and that Japan AND Germany declared war on America, not the other way around) Revolverman (talk) 23:05, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Posted the fact. Someone should re-write it into being readable and funny. Revolverman (talk) 20:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)