Talk:Professional victim

Hold on

Accidentally pressed save instead of preview. I got more to write. Zero ^{(talk - contributions)} 22:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Have at it. I think I've framed together enough. Zero ^{(talk - contributions)} 23:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Good start. Can use some fleshing out of course.

God GG loves to use this one. Every freaking time. Do they not honestly realize how ridiculous it sounds? Abed Nadir (talk) 06:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Ideas

1. JoAnne Schmitz Maybe compare and contrast the "good victim" who does not demand anything difficult to produce, is attractive and quiet, does not challenge anyone's privilege.
2. What's the difference between this and a victim complex?

Zero ^{(talk - contributions)} 06:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Thunderf00t uses this phrase sometimes (in relation to Rebecca Watson, Anita Sarkeesian, feminists, etc).

9/11 widows are worth mentioning too. Wēāŝēīōīď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 08:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Desiree Jennings et al

Desiree Jennings has been called this. Arguably she fits the words in English. Possibly need to mention this. Tricky one - David Gerard (talk) 09:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Sovereign citizens

One group that has been overlooked in this discussion are the sovereign citizens and 1st Amendment Auditors who take great pleasure in instigating conflicts with law enforcement in the hope they will be victimized. Often times they feel like victims regardless of the actual circumstances of their contact with police.

And let's not forget those people who feel any slight against them is some form of discrimination. For example, one night on the way home from work I stopped at 7-11. On the way out a couple of guys asked me if I could give them a ride up north. I refused. The first thing they said in response was "Is it because we're black?!" No. It was because it was 1:30am and they were total strangers and I was heading south and I'm not UBER. But the first thing they thought of was racism. I would contend that there are many people who walk out their front door every day convinced that every bad thing that happens to them is due to racism, sexism, religious bigotry, or some other discrimination. These kind of people also qualify as professional victims. ^{— Unsigned, by: 2001:558:1418:50:f941:f6bb:1007:d610 / talk / contribs}

For example: Anita Sarkeesian has been harassed out of everywhere and eventually went on to do several presentations

She is a professional victim. The amount of un due hate she gets in negligible to the real criticisms.

She her fallout 4 tweets. https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136?lang=en ^{— Unsigned, by: Doublethink / talk / contribs}

Yay... More Sarkeesian hate... Fucking moron. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 04:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I’m not entirely sure what the motives of the OP were here, and neither can I extrapolate anything specific about their temperament or politics. But if there’s anything I’ve occasionally observed about this Wiki in general (of which I’m a big fan) that could serve to undermine its credibility and embolden its critics, it would be the omission of examples that are misappropriations of the terms being defined—particularly when a particular phrase is presumed a priori to be solely a snarl word. Certainly “professional victim” has been observed as a common right wing trope to shame certain people or communities, reducing their ordeals to whining or snowflake status in the service of promoting their prejudice. But to deny that we’ve all encountered people who constantly live in crisis, or who seem particularly quick to take a victim position instead of acknowledging their part in any given conflict (as any healthy, integrated adult should be capable of doing for their own self-preservation and ability to live among others) is disingenuous at least, and harmful at worst.

There are well-described and validated personality characteristics (narcissistic, borderline, histrionic), that can range from relatively benign traits to full-blown disorders, all of which can contribute to tendencies to take the victim position in an inappropriate or manipulative way, that can serve to victimize others. The Karpman Triangle itself describes common ways that we move in and out of victim-perpetrator-rescuer roles in codependent relationships and some people exhibit extreme or malignant signs of this as a lifelong strategy.

I haven’t followed Sarkeesian enough to comment on her position in any fair kind of way—but unless you’ve been harmed by a parent, friend or other individual who has dishonestly played the victim role for manipulative purposes, I don’t think you have the right to call anyone a “fucking moron” without getting more information first—and if you’re comfortable calling a stranger something like that for posting something that is hardly a blatant example of racism, sexism, trans/homophobia or other obvious epithet, then I am left to conclude that your own motives are suspect. Italbear (talk) 00:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)