Talk:Ramanand Jhingade

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Move?

We don't even know the right marks for the name yet, seems pre mature to move the page. Tmtoulouse (talk) 03:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

BE FOREWARNED!!! The following Google search for "jhingadé" only really has links to a malicious webpage, or links that link to that malicious webpage, rather than to the "proper" cure4incurables.com, it is cure-for-incurables.20m.com None of the languages of Bangalore, nor the two languages indicated by the wiktionary entry for Jhingade use "é" in their transliteration schemes. --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 03:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I hope you undid my edit to the page adding the newly spelled version everywhere. But get rid of the silly display title if it's not correct. ħuman 03:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I can barely even find his name on his site - a couple "Dr Ramaamand"s, and a "Jhingade" in an email address, which wouldn't support diacritics anyway. ħuman 03:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps we should "(also spelled... )" after his name in the lead? ħuman 03:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

That I did. (bleh... Chrome didn't want to distinguish "é" from "e" either, so it was a bit of a pain.) There is apparently a version of "Jhingadé" listed in the contact.htm page, but the link is oddly not linked to by the page "proper", as there oddly seems to be two pages in the same domain. For instance, if you click on the "home" from the contact.htm page, it links to a 404 page. It seems that all the people with an internet presence also spell the last name "Jhingade", and not with a "é". I did add a section talking about the name issue though. --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 04:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

For what it's worth, one of his Wikipedia accounts was Dr.Jhingaadey and another was Dr.Ramanand Jhingaadey. I have no idea how the diacritics are supposed to work out in an English transliteration, and it's quite possible that he doesn't know the formalities either. An argument could be made that we should spell his name as he spells it himself, i.e., "Jhingaadey." Doctor Dark (talk) 05:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Using "Jingaadey" I found his linkedin page. Which would suggest the "official" transliteration of the name should be "Ramānand Rao Jhingāde"... The wiktionary page for "Jhingade" says that it should even be pronounced like "Jhingaadey", which may be why this alternative also appears. The use of the "é" and the "ey" at the end appear to be an attempt to keep people from mispronouncing it as "Jing-gayd". Which, hey, sorry, we can't keep everyone from mispronouncing one's name. You think "Llanfair" seeks to respell its name for people who can't pronounce it properly? I'll make an assumption about this most recent assumed transliteration in the original text, and see if any of them find anything. If I happen to find the original script, then bonus! (*grumbles about not having to do all this work, if someone would just post his original name in the first place*) --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 06:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I found the word "रामानंद" (Rā-mā-nan-da) as the Hindi version for wp:Ramananda. However, I cannot seem to find an equivalent "Jhingade" in any of the possible variations. This only covers Hindi, not any of the other languages. Note though, that English speakers are likely incapable of rendering the proper variation between "ā" and "a" without extensive coaching. This is pretty much the reason why it is rendered widely as "Ramananda". --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 08:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

So is the solution a whole pile of redirects using different spellings?--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 13:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Pretty much. The whole name thing is a total mess, because any two people will spell their name differently when transliterating to Latin characters. (I worked with two people with different names, except it turned out that they have the same name, and spelled it differently in an attempt to get Americans to pronounce it properly.) However, the hyper-diacritic version shouldn't get a redirect... that version is just sheer troll. --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 13:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

As I'm pronouncing it "Ramadana Jingjong" at the moment, I don't think the additional marks have any effect beyond making it look more difficult to pronounce. It could be a ploy to alter the search engine rankings, however, as noted Google does bring up different things. ^moral 15:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm pronouncing it like in the song from "Grease" which seems to be "Ra-ma la-ma la-ma ka ding a da ding".--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 15:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

So?

I see things have quietened down here now. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 16:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Shame. ^moral 16:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

He has been having a lot to say via e-mail. I finally called his bluff and told him next time to show up packing (a lawyer) or don't show up at all. Tmtoulouse (talk) 16:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Is that better than the usual trick of asking them to name specific grievances? ^moral 17:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I figured asking that 10 times and receiving nothing but fairly juvenile threats ("I will sue you more than you are worth", "Wiki's have histories my website doesn't what you going to do when I change my site", "I got lawyer friends in canada/usa just you see") that I was tired of the back and forth. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

1) How can you sue someone for more than they're worth? I mean, if he sued us for $1 million where, exactly, would it come from? 2) That makes no sense. 3) Okay, lets call that bluff and ignore it. ^moral 17:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

My theory on 2 is that he was saying he could remove offending material on his site and then claim we were lying or something. Hence why I screen captured our links. Regardless, yes, we were getting nowhere on this page, or in e-mail. So lets take it to the next level or move on. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

1) You can actually sue someone for any appropriate amount, but your chances of collecting grow smaller. See the various record companies vs. music-pirating individual cases where the record companies have gotten findings for hundreds of thousands of dollars. The person basically comes under debt to pay the entire sum to the awardee. Imagine if every dollar donated to the RWF went towards a settlement rather than towards any operating costs... --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 18:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Of blackmail and astral projection

Many have probably seen the conversation on my talk page about the article he wrote on wiki4cam. Sure enough as predicted he sent me an e-mail trying to use it as blackmail for deleting his article here. When that didn't work out I just received this:

"You have also defamed people who are licensed, qualified doctors by calling them quacks. If you delete the web-pages we asked, it's gonna be fine or else my friend, an astral projectionist is going to bring you to justice"

I think he is uh, serious, in his beliefs about this. Worth noting any of it? Tmtoulouse (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Certainly worth noting. I see no reason to exclude it. The Symphony of Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 14:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

"Sure enough as predicted he sent me an e-mail" - are you fucking psychic then? Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 14:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Yup. He needed to become one in oder to ward off the asteral projection attacks. The Symphony of Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 14:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

<Grabs popcorn>. This is gonna be like a movie. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 14:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

He's only making himself more wiki-notable by this. Yeah, why not record it here for all to laugh at. ^postate 14:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Wow. An astral projection attack? Wish I had one of those! I wonder if Dingalong could give you a date and time so that you could set up a webcam and we could all see what an "astral projection attack" looks like?--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 21:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Remember the time we set ourselves up for a spell-attack by witches? Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 21:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I see that DoctorB has deleted Trent's page at Wiki4cam. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 21:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Go run and hide Trent Toulouse! Life is a PvP server and I am the level 85 shadow priest what will mind spike you and astrally project myself to Canada to rain down knives on your soul! So I can harvest some soul shards! Fear me and fear me well. 70.113.95.219 (talk) 23:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

@BoN, so you're3 saying "Don't mess with Texas"? The Symphony of Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 08:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Qualifications/contact page

Owing to recent edit conflicts, I've checked over the site and can't actually find the quote. I trust that whoever copied the first quote did so verbatim, so that "Naturopath" is correct, so it does seem to have changed to "M.D.(Hom.)" over "M.D.(Nat.)". More pressingly, I can't locate the exact quote the article lede uses. ^gnostic 17:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed Wayback Machine (August 2010) says M.D.(Nat.) and I've spotted the quote, which has also changed. ^gnostic 17:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Testimonials

Just looking at the newly-linked-to cure4incurables web page and the testimonials at the bottom of the page are a hoot. A couple of examples:

• My whole body was yellow (jaundiced), and I had been diagnosed to have Hepatitis B (Hepatitis B Surface Antigen was +ve). I was feeling extremely weak, with no appetite and my blood pressure was just 90/60 mm of Hg. My children then took me to 'A to Z Polyclinic' and over night my appetite improved, the yellowness reduced and I was feeling much better and stronger. I took treatment for about six months and was cured completely (Hepatitis B Surface Antigen was -ve).
• I used to get cough, cold & fever frequently and tested positive for H.I.V. I surfed the Net, felt attracted by this web-site and ordered for medicines. To my surprise, within a few hours of taking the medicines, my cough, cold and fever disappeared and I started gaining weight (in the next couple of days) as well. Tests show that I am now H.I.V. negative.

If it wasn't on the internet I wouldn't believe it!--Bob^{"I thought this was supposed to be "Rational" Wiki?."} 16:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

That reminds me, I know someone who said he had a cold that disappeared completely the day after taking a homeopathic remedy. What explanation could I give him?--Krej^talk 16:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)