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Donald Trump[edit]

At what point does he 'become' a reptilian? Is it conveyed like a vampire bite? (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Don't be stupid, Trump is a Orangutan. Probuscus (talk) 07:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, if we're talking nonhuman takeover, Trump is more Planet of the Apes than V. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

How does it work[edit]

Take a pair of identical twins (most people will know at least one pair). One goes becomes famous, the other does not.

How exactly do they differ in their reptilian aspects? Anna Livia (talk) 18:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Alien contact[edit]

'Herbert … she' - mistyping or something else?

And - are half-memories of Silurians or the beasties from Quatermass and the Pit involved? Anna Livia (talk) 20:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Silurians - Dr Who reference. Anna Livia (talk) 11:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Genghis Khan and the reptilians[edit]

Genghis Khan is the ancestor of a significant proportion of the population of Asia (or even Eurasia) - including those going through the maternal line. However there appears to be no 'reversion to the reptilian' among the ordinary population in the regions.

David Icke and friends need to provide more information on 'the mechanics of reptilian-isation, or people won't even bother picking holes in the argument (as they can spot the obvious plot-holes). Anna Livia (talk) 11:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

The nature of the change[edit]

Would the transition be primarily one of 'skin colour changes (like chameleons etc)? Otherwise would not changing from between human and reptilian forms involve a significant amount of energy (and a certain amount of time) even if the reptilian form remains warm-blooded? There would also be issues with 'the medical professions' spotting something odd, hair growth etc. Anna Livia (talk) 18:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't they make sure to only be treated by doctors who are also members of their own species?-Flandres (talk) 19:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Not always possible - eg an accident away from their patch. And what about reptilians who care to go in for the World Beard and Moustache Championships?
See also my points variously above.
Or, perhaps, it is those who talk about reptilians who are actually such (and the rest of us are ordinary people). Anna Livia (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Having come across David Icke archived on, here's a < 4 minute video explaining how reptilians shape-shift. Not that it really makes sense of things. I suppose it goes along with alternative New Age physics. It's all about energy fields, and there existing one that is human and one that is reptilian, and the observer shifting which field the observer is in tune with, thereby seeing the reptilian side of the reptilian person rather than the human side of that person, apparently. But this would seem to contradict claims of the possible existence of any material evidence which can be viewed regardless of what people are "in tune" with. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 18:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
So something like Polaroid glasses in and out of 'phase'?
Category of 'If it sounds too much like hard work it probably is, and unless 'being very technical' (hieroglyphs, complex mathematical formulae and proofs, spelunking 2 miles along a cave system etc) is probably at a significant angle to reality'? Anna Livia (talk) 18:50, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

This conspiracy theory is potentially harmful to wildlife[edit]

I mean, think about it. This theory seems to reiterate the common myth that reptiles aren't just cold-blooded, but cold-hearted, too. That they are mean and bad. This is in fact a trope on TV Tropes;

Since many reptilian-believing conspiracy theorists are crazy, I'm pretty sure that some might start killing lizards and snakes because of this weird theory that our world leaders are lizards. What do you guys think? — Unsigned, by: Gorilla beringei graueri / talk / contribs 03:14, 16 August 2021

They are not so much concerned with normal reptiles as with super-reptiles, with a kind of supernatural being which is viewed as smarter and more powerful and dangerous than animals. Concerns could for some extend to normal reptiles, but not generally. I think what they tend to care about most and get really fired up about in practice is people and human dramas. And perhaps the way in which drama swallows up attention often keeps conspirituality people from shifting concerns and focus towards more concretely destructive things. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 07:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)


Why not some creatures other than reptiles? Giant spiders, bats (whether or not vampire), slugs (Jabba the Hutt-like), snakes (The Garden of Eden, after all), 'creepy-crawlies' etc? And what about Ronald Reagan's comment about not being at war with the fishes ('some hidden meaning there surely')? Anna Livia (talk) 10:47, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Others do enter the stories and symbolism of some conspirituality people, but less prominently, for some reason. For example, Laura Knight-Jadczyk's books in which she vaguely explains a hyperdimensional order in which all of life on Earth and humanity especially are energy-food for evil hyperdimensional overlords, mentions that demons, vampires, and evil aliens are actually all the same thing, and that other possible appearances include fish-people, and other old mythological humanoids that don't look like mammals. (Except that bird-people aren't mentioned alongside them, usually. And other anti-reptilian New Agers often think that bird-people are good beings, oddly enough, since birds are evolutionarily like small dinosaurs.) LKJ and some other authors also mention insect-like aliens, and there's a few mentions of spidery beings too.
Some ideas of an evil alien empire and its hierarchy include (also seen in the later sci-fi movie Jupiter Ascending; I think the Wachowskis copied ideas from wacky channeling in part, but they kept it simple enough for drama and action) evil super-humans at the top and reptilians below them. In some more elaborate high-tech visions of it all by alien abduction researchers, gray aliens may be robot-like or remote-controlled drones, mass-produced artificial beings used by e.g. reptilian operators from a distance. Ideas of the hierarchical order vary and may be complex; there's sometimes a complicated "economy of consciousness" to it, where dominating minds is roughly like being rich and powerful.
I don't really know why reptilians became so iconic. Other types are mentioned, as mentioned, but for whatever reason, the reptilians tend to be the favorite "evil alien" type of them all to scare people with or say that such and such persons are controlled by or worse. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 11:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
'Alien Space Bats' would be more appropriate - but the issues of transformation would be problematic regardless.
Even the proverbial 5-year-old adviser would need little prompting to see some of the problems with the subject. Anna Livia (talk) 22:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
I guess reptilians may seem more "other" than e.g. bats in some way. Note that e.g. Lovecraft basically imagined reptilians (below the great octopus-like monstrosity) in his xenophobic horror stories. Lovecraft was also ahead in associating non-Euclidean geometry with the aliens and their worlds.
The transforming/disguised-as-humans David Icke version of the general idea is obviously silly, regardless of what the aliens are said to really look like. It leaves a lot of openings for falsifications (generally countered by ad-hoc elaborations I think), and I think would require most of the fabric of reality to be blatant lies in order to be coherent.
By contrast, the non-physical or "not physical and here like humans are" versions, where the aliens influence people and events from a distance and may prepare a greater take-over (and perhaps mass-eating of humanity), I think are more like conventional religious beliefs in simply being largely unfalsifiable. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 11:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
To clarify I was referring to these 'being my opinion of the subject' while the 5-year-old is a nod at the sidekick in the Evil Overlord lists. Anna Livia (talk) 22:30, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

H. P. Lovecraft, maybe even E. R. Burroughs[edit]

The article states: »The first appearance of "serpent men" in literature was in Howard's story, "The Shadow Kingdom", published in Weird Tales 1929.«

But in 1921 there was a story by phantastic writer H. P. Lovecraft named »The Nameless City«, also published in „Weird Tales«.

And as described in this article, even his story might have one or more predecessors: „Critic William Fulwiler argues that Edgar Rice Burroughs' At the Earth's Core was one of Lovecraft's primary inspirations for "The Nameless City", citing "the reptile race, the tunnel to the interior of the earth, and the 'hidden world of eternal day'" as elements common to both tales.“ — Unsigned, by: 2a02:8070:6388:29e0:7044:dacf:9cfc:2e5c / talk / contribs