Talk:Romanticism

Ah yes, Rationalwiki, the land that project creep rules.-- Token Conservative ^{Feminist Thought Police} 23:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It was in the to-do list. We have an article on the Age of Enlightenment; now we have an article on the reaction. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we need either. This is a nice little report on the topic, but it has nothing to do with the mission. Delete it and salt the earth. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 04:17, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Romanticism has nothing to do with the mission? It was a direct reaction to the intellectual force that brought skepticism into public life, and (in its more extreme forms) gave way to the American national myth, Marxism, and fascism. I would agree to get rid of the poetry quotes here, though. Osaka Sun (talk) 04:29, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

What surprises me most is that we don't have an article on Frankenstein yet, apparently. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 04:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Romanticism made Marxism?--"Shut up, Brx." 04:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Not directly, but it was influential. It's a big part of the anti-science mentality. If this isn't on-mission then I don't understand what our mission is supposed to represent. Wehpudicabok [話] [変] 04:37, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? 04:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I am not. What do you disagree with? Wehpudicabok [話] [変] 04:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

The appeal of romanticism is evident when you start to move to the extremes of the spectrum. The right benefit big time from emotional "national epics" and appeal to heritage. The left, on the other hand, embrace its more "harmonious" utopian/agrarian aspects (not to the extent shown here, but nevertheless).

Does that mean that Romanticism should be trashed? Beethoven still believed in Enlightenment ideals, so the entire movement needs a more nuanced analysis. Osaka Sun (talk) 05:08, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

"There are a few elements that are sort of related to the project's history, so, maybe we should make an entire module about it?" - Project Creep Rationalwiki style.-- Token Conservative ^{Feminist Thought Police} 05:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

An entire section on the history of art would be a great idea. I mean, somebody must have some ideas which are wrong about the history of art. Being wrong makes them cranks. And cranks is a justification for any enormous tangentially-justifiable article you like. I mean it's not like art is subjective or anything. --Weirdstuff (talk) 05:54, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘If romanticism were purely an artistic movement I would agree, but as we've said, it's influential in other areas, such as science, religion, politics, and philosophy. Some (though by no means all or even most) of its followers espoused anti-Enlightenment ideas and some thinkers of today do use these ideas to justify anti-science perspectives. This is bad, and we should be criticizing it. This is not about art criticism. Wehpudicabok [話] [変] 05:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

It's also why we've proposed an article on the Progressive Era. Osaka Sun (talk) 06:21, 17 September 2013 (UTC)