Talk:Rudy Giuliani

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Screw

Screw it, let's move to the talk page. The quote is definitely made by him, reported in many news outlets. From the POV of this wiki, it seems fine by me to leave it as it originally was, as this wiki is intended to fight authoritarianism (among other things.) Researcher 22:07, 16 November 2007 (EST)

So what your saying is rationalwiki is a liberal soapbox? 98.17.56.235 22:09, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I don't think so... there are plenty of thinking conservatives who also fight authoritarianism. (And it's only one of the missions; the primary one being to fight the anti-reason movements.) Researcher 22:11, 16 November 2007 (EST) Oh, btw, I like the most recent revision. Works well. Researcher 22:12, 16 November 2007 (EST)

The fact that right-wing politics tends to be authoritarian and anti-reason is not our fault. tmtoulouse ^plague 22:17, 16 November 2007 (EST)

That's one reason why I made a rightism page, to show the difference between conservatism and rightism. Unfortunately, too many conservatives want to demolish that difference (like they've been trying to do to liberal and leftism.) Researcher 22:20, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I don't think Rudolph Giuliani is a conservative at all. He is just a authoritarian. 98.17.56.235 22:23, 16 November 2007 (EST)

(undent) Exactly. Even many conservatives (though not many neocons) are very worried about his candidacy. (For an extensive detailing of why conservatives should oppose Giuliani, see Andrew Sullivan's blog, the Daily Dose: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ) Researcher 22:24, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Franklin quote

I didn't want to change it in case there was a good reason for keeping it as is, but it's my understanding that the actual quote from Ben Franklin quote was more like Those that would give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. I know it's basically the same, but what is currently there is a paraphrase rather than a quote. Worm^{(t | c)} 11:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The source given has that wording. I imagine that it's been paraphrased and rehashed so many times that the exact wording may be lost; although the context and meaning are all the same so I don't think it matters too much. If there's any reason to suspect that the quote doesn't come from Franklin, I'd be interested to see where it does come from. ^theist 11:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Wiki quote has it as "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" as being sourced directly from some of his writings (it's down near the picture of Jeebus). You can also see it on Google books as that. Change it if you think it sounds better as the original. ^theist 11:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

And following the link from Wiki quote finds the original source. Some of the doubt about the true source seems to stem from the fact that Franklin put quotation marks around the sentence in his memoirs, but it is generally accepted that it was an original statement by him. Worm^{(t | c)} 12:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Guiliani in a drag

What's up with that picture? Is that somehow similar to the jokes they made about J. Edgar "Did not make vacuum-cleaners" Hoover?--Arisboch (talk) 00:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Including the image is homophobic and transphobic (particularly vis-a-vis someone who, by right-wing standards, has a reasonably good track record on LGBT stuff, at least during his time in office) and takes it entirely out of context. Actually out of context, not "out of context" as a weak defense of something terrible.Calieber (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I am firmly of the opinion that the picture should stay away for a good reason, but goddamn does a part of me nonetheless want to include a still from that video where Trump fondles Rudy's breasts. Vulpius (talk) 21:18, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Recent rash of police comments

After stuff like blaming Obama for the Ferguson riots and the two cops in NYC getting shot back in December, we can safely say he doesn't deserve to be in the "right of reason" category, right? 174.77.36.177 (talk)

It's gone. I've got my doubts about "centrist stupidity" too, but not enough of a politics wonk to make that call. Alec Sanderson (talk) 23:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion for Page Quote

"Conservatives all nodded when Rudy Giuliani said, “I do not believe that President Obama loves America.” As opposed to Giuliani, who happened to be mayor on 9/11, so that made him America’s Mayor, a hero whose great act of heroism was “nothing fell on his head.” To paraphrase Donald Trump, I like mayors who don’t let towers collapse." - Bill Maher, February 2017

What do you think? 24.61.154.51 (talk) 03:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

It's good, if a little cumbersome. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:55, 26 July 2017 (UTC)