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PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 20:17, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Chomsky is probably a moonbat and, given the U.S. political spectrum, possibly even an extreme moonbat, but not because of genocide denial

Hi Arisboch, I noticed you added Noam Chomsky to the extreme moonbattery category, and considered reverting it. I decided against it because Chomsky is very left wing in the context of U.S. politics, but he's not a genocide denialist:
Chomsky doesn't deny that the massacres in Bosnia were real, or their scope. He does, however, object to rhetorically placing these atrocities on a par with the Holocaust by calling them genocide. I personally think Chomsky is wrong and that his profession as a linguist blinds him to the judicial definition of and aspects involved employing the term genocide. However, calling him a genocide denialist is simply missing the point of his objections. ScepticWombat (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Refusing to call these massacres genocide is not much different from genocide denial, it's genocide minimization, using the Shoa victims to minimize other massacres. That's the "Not as bad as" fallacy right here!--Arisboch (talk) 17:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Apparently Chomsky sees nothing wrong with genocide as long as it isn't being committed by the USA. He defended the Khmer Rouge till the end. I once coined the term Fischer syndrome after Bobby Fischer: An American Jew who has a seething hatred towards Americans, Jews in general and the state of Israel in particular. And yet he lives luxuriously thanks to being an American and being able to command exorbitant fees for his political rants. Just read and you'll be the judge of the man. His linguistics are mostly nonsense. From what I've "learned" from Chomskyist teachers, it's a cult, not science. They're impervious to any arguments - this is written having had a couple of courses taught by his disciples. You point out, that there has to be a workable concept of a limit in order for infinite sentences to work. This is met with a blank stare. Another characteristic is that even the most hotly debated issues in Chomskyism are put forward as absolute truth without mentioning that the subject is - well, hotly debated. One professor told me without blushing that he understood his responsibility as a teacher to put forward his opinions, end of story. He proudly said in the same conversation to silence me, that he had been deemed capable of being tenured by scientists. He left out that this panel of judges were his coreligionists to a man. Goodnight Sorte Slyngel (talk) 02:30, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Not completely useless. Computer programmers use some of his contributions to syntax, or something; I'm not a programmer. CorruptUser (talk) 02:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Also he's credited with kicking off the current dominant paradigm of thought in Psychology, not that anything useful has come out of that field. It's laughable that you think he is committing a not as bad as fallacy; did it ever occur to you that if you think you can rebut a man like Noam Chomsky in four words, you might be the idiot? Tielec01 (talk) 06:12, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Excuse me Cry me a Jordan for attacking Saint Noam the First.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 12:09, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

If you think that a man like Chomsky could be immune to logical fallacies, you might be the idiot. No one is immune to logical fallacies. Not Einstein. Certainly not Isaac "Astrology" Newton. No one. CorruptUser (talk) 12:13, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for slowing you geniuses down, carry on. Tielec01 (talk) 14:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Chomsky's first book (if I recall correctly) filled a vacancy for computer scientists, that's true. I suspect they would have found out anyway. As for linguistics, he's managed to delay progress in the fields for decades. And for once that is not just my opinion - most linguistics who haven't been brainwashed share it. You'll mostly find these in some variety of historical linguistics. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Just to mention a useful source regarding Chomsky, The Anti-Chomsky Reader is accessible somewhere on the net. The title is of course provocative, but it honestly tells you what to expect. The articles in the book are well researched and it is a very useful antidote if you've heard Chomsky's praises sung too often - and usually without justification. Go, seek, find! It's a good read and much clearer than what Chomsky-zombies come up with. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 23:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

"The articles in the book are well researched " Jesus on a fucking crutch, you have got to be kidding. That book (which I've read) is a piece of David Horowitz's neocon, wingnut trash.---Mona- (talk) 00:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

It is generally regarded to be bad form - though not a major blunder - to comment on a "dead" thread on a talk page. I just wished to inform you of that in case someone gets angry at you for that Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Sorte Slyngel: Let's not belittle Chomsky's contributions to computer science. The Chomsky hierarchy was an important contribution to the theory of programming languages, string recognition, and related problems. Saying that "I suspect they would have found out anyway" is like saying "if Newton hadn't discovered the law of gravitation, someone else would have". It's rather trivially true, but also unnecessarily belittling his historical contributions. Blacke (talk) 01:05, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Avenger, you are a hoot. This thread began last March and there have been additions up thru the present. But your profound concern for the possibility that I might anger someone is duly noted. HAHAHAHA ---Mona- (talk) 03:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

No Sorte Slyngel revived the thread because he did not know about said custom. It later died a quite death. But as I said, it's not all that important. You have done worse in the past. (I won't go into detail) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:25, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Attention-getting ban

However strongly you feel about Chomsky, you don't have consensus. If you can't convince other editors, or find other editors prepared to agree with you, step away from it. Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 11:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Which will be rather difficult because of Chomsky's popularity here (not radical enough to significantly piss off the moderates here), especially among those with admin right (wink wink, nudge nudge).--Arisboch (talk) 11:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I have no brief for him. He doesn't have much of a profile here in the UK. You've just failed to make enough of a case for your position. And flirting with conspiracy theories of your own just makes you look stupid. Queex_{chthonic murmurings}

Popularity does not equal conspiracy. I never said even a word about the latter.--Arisboch (talk) 11:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Then what was the point of "(wink wink, nudge nudge)"? As any fule kno, the correct form is "nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!". Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 11:39, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

As I've already pointed out, I think that Chomsky's sophistry is a crap argument for not calling the Armenian Genocide, well, a genocide, since it clearly fits the generally accepted legal definitions and I don't buy the "watering down of the Holocaust"-logic behind not doing so. I simply disagree that this rhetorical tomfoolery constitutes genocide denial. When it comes to Khmer Rouge Cambodia, there's a problem in that while that scale certainly fits (or even exceeds, especially "victims per capita") other examples, the victims were not chosen on the basis of the criteria cited by the legal definitions of genocide, but instead due to their socio-economic status.

I'm not even a fan of Chomsky's knee-jerk "blame the West/U.S."-arguments, but I think that's all the more reason not to unfairly straw man him as a genocide denialist based on an extremely broad definition of the term, let alone use this as a case for lumping Chomsky in with the (other?) extreme moonbats on RW. I think that there may actually be good reasons to put Chomsky in this category (e.g. the tendency to blame "evulz U.S." for every ill in the world), but then why use the rather problematic allegation of genocide denial? ScepticWombat (talk) 12:06, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Chomsky is not popular on RationalWiki. You are mistaken. --Castaigne (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

• snort* You read the talk page on his article and that he really was added to the Inversed Stopped Clock list? --Arisboch (talk) 18:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I stand corrected about the Khmer Rouge. But I don't think there's that much of a difference. It certainly was a mass murder on a very grand scale, and Chomsky showed extreme indifference about human lives. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 17:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit-warring.

There is no consensus on the Chomsky page for adding that category, and yet you insist in repeatedly adding it. That is edit-warring, and it is contrary to the community guidelines. Please stop. Thanks. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

"Atheism+"

I posted a clarification on my use of it on the page. I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:30, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

In fact

I believe that you missed the point of my recent edit at Adolph Hitler. I did not doubt that the sentence in the article in which it appeared was true, I objected to adding "In fact" (which besides being one of the 27 words and phrases that mean "in my opinion") because it is . . . .. redundant. everything in the article, barring few snarky asides, is supposed to be a fact. So now I am tempted to go and add "In fact" at the beginning of every paragraph in the article, and in fact, in the whole rationalwioi. Seem like a good idea? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations

You have been initiated. WalkerWalkerWalker 18:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, the initiation was fun and did add experience.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 18:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Because of your edits to and time on the wiki, wizard Sysop has been added to your user rights. Feel free to let your newfound POWER course through your veins. Once the high wears off, see RationalWiki:Sysop guide for more information. If you have questions, bleat ask away. Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 21:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

So

Do you actually believe the shit you're writing or are you playing devil's advocate with every response you make at Talk:Anita Sarkeesian?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 10:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

What "shit" do I write?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 10:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

s/shit/stuff; I'm sorry, it's an informal colloquialism.

But this is the second instance I've come across such inane, patently wrong, and stretching interpretations of what I have written previously as well as what you've said in general about the topic there and I'm just wondering if you're sincere about what you've been saying or if you're just being argumentative in order to make think about what the other side of this completely unnecessary argument has to say.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 10:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Proclaiming yourself to be the logical center and judging people's sincerity based on distance from your own opinions doesn't really work when you use plenty of ad hominems, generalizations, and other "stretches" yourself.TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 05:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

How about we all take this back to its original forum? WalkerWalkerWalker 05:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

U blocked meh

i is know nothing about aardvarkz but i is sure he is a funny guy and witty in the field of bantz^{— Unsigned, by: 86.163.173.100 / talk / contribs}

You are not blocked anymore (just a 31 seconds block) and please do not do this kinda spam anymore.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 15:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not like it is hard to tell that's the obese rodent. No one else misuses the word banter like that. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Indeed and the style of his spam is the same, too.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 15:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

But they do have an account

Their non-IP account is User:142․124․55․236 Narky Sawtooth (Nyar~) 23:02, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Deletion

Arisboch can you delete my Hello thread or idk how to delete. :P

You sure you wanna have it deleted and not renamed?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 13:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Strikethough

On MediaWiki it's <s> and </s> :) Bicycle^wheel 20:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I know, it's just that I posted stuff on a web forum coupla seconds before writing on that talk page and the BBCode sort of slipped through. orz--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 20:30, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Drive-thru ATMS

There are such things as back seats, you know... (Quite apart from the question of the ATM interfaces being standardised because it's cheaper that way) Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 11:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll bitch to you here

Don't make flagrantly false equivalencies that you should know better about. I can't stand people who do that shit. Germany's immigration laws have no bearing on Israel's denial of citizenship to millions of people who haven't moved from anywhere. You know it. I know it. It's dishonest as fuck. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 20:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I realize this sounds stupid

But I think I promoted myself. In recent changes it says I, myself, changed it from sysop and autopatrolled to autopatrolled. The block options are gone and the red exclamation points are gone. I tried to check my user rights and I don't have permission. TheAtheistComrade (talk) 18:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

What are you talking about, according to the user rights dialogue, you're a sysop!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 18:50, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, I know this sounds stupid. But it's not only that, as I previously stated my block options are gone and the red exclamations as well. TheAtheistComrade (talk) 18:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I still have rollback (and therefore autopatroll). I logged out but it's still screwed up. TheAtheistComrade (talk) 18:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

That is ... weird. I could try the following: De-sysop and and re-sysop you afterwards. Should I give it a try?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 18:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Yea. TheAtheistComrade (talk) 18:58, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

OK, Paravant did it before me. How's it now?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 19:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Manosphere glossary

A little context for the actual meaning of a word as opposed to the MRA corruption is entirely fitting. Deal with it. Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 12:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

'K.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 12:51, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

you fool

Free speech obviously applies to everybody, not just the government! A plain clear reading of the intent of the founders reveals this!--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 23:37, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Huh? What founders?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 23:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

You know... the founders! The important ones!--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 23:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The Founders of the Church of the Holy Goat and Jerboa, her Prophet and Consort?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 23:41, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I would assume atleast one such important individual was part of this revolutionary church, yes.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 23:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

What is this all about? Who ever said free speech applies to the government only? What is that even supposed to mean? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

That on a e.g. private webpage, magazine, newspaper and so on, I can write whatever the fuck I want, unless it's libelous, kiddyporn or something like that.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 23:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

And, as is relevant here, refuse to write/publish what others want. WalkerWalkerWalker 23:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

No! I can say/write anything anywhere always! Nobody can ever stop me or it's breaking the Constitution--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 23:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC).

For clarity, Avenger, ^this^ was strongly implied in connection to Mona not getting her way. WalkerWalkerWalker 23:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Now I'm getting it... We are sometimes a bit slow, you know... Over there in (where I live) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Is that a joke about Estonians?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 00:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

It probably isn't... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

In Russia, there are many jokes about ethnic minorities (e.g. that the Chuchki are stupid and uncivilized, that the Ukrainians deify salo and love to make jokes at the Russians expense, that Russians love to drink and make jokes at the Ukrainians expense, and, also, that Estonians are slow on the uptake), so I thought, that you wanted to hint, that you're from Estonia by telling a joke about your own countrymen.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 00:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

No, I did not want to hint that I am from the country frequently overrun by drunkard Finns. Though you have to know that the cliché of being "slow" is also (somewhat) common when it comes to people from Austria or Switzerland - which makes the fact that the CERN is situated in Switzerland somewhat humorous to people of a certain mindset... Any way long live President King! May he rule as long as the Queen graces him! Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:17, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

My father told me, that in the old times (and probably also now, I dunno), Leningrad resp. St. Petersburg too was a rather popular place for the Finns to drink their brains into Molotov cocktails.

And I also hear about that kinda clichés the first time (although I heard people calling the Swiss even more pedantic than the Germans and also calling Swiss German a speech disorder rather then a dialect).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 00:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Well as someone who speaks German (as you have by now guessed already) let me say this: The nationality plate of Switzerland may say "CH" for different reasons, but Swiss German uses the sound these letter represent (in German at least) all over the place. The problem is that the sound exists in no major dialect of English (though some Scots use it at the end of the word loch), so it is difficult to explain the concept in English. Anyhoo, the point is "wer chat's erfundn? - Die Schweizr!". And another thing about Switzerland: It is a surprisingly racist and xenophobic country... Surprisingly because it is inherently multi-ethnic... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I heard, that it's the same sound like the Hebrew letter "chet" and "kaph" (without the point inside).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 00:35, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

That sounds about right. German, Arabic and Hebrew are rightly famous for having this sound and others similar to it Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Notice

You are hereby BANNINATED from teh internets. Please refrain from posting any comments anywhere for any reason whatsoever.

For the Goat Committee, WalkerWalkerWalker 01:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

WTF???--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 01:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

You have been smitten by a bunny in accordance with the community standards for... no real reason. Feel free to revert this odd edit.

For the lulz, WalkerWalkerWalker 01:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

ORZ--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 02:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

You did ask about funny templates... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) WalkerWalkerWalker 02:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I asked him (and everyone else, who's reading the RC page), where the index of the funny templates at RW is.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 02:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

In theory, Category:Silly templates should contain all the silly ones. That is a crappy theory, though. WalkerWalkerWalker 02:12, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

And by him, you mean... me? WalkerWalkerWalker 02:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

OOooooops, yes. orz--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 02:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

All your goats are belong to US! Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 12:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Feel blocked back

Chongqing is not a swear word... But it sounds as if it was one. Unlike Kurwa, which - while being a swear word - sounds rather pleasant on the face of it. Anyway, I would explain that in a block note - but I can't. -_- Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:29, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

That's why I use it sometimes, despite "kurwa" being the only Polish swearword I know how to use.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

A good one is also "jueputa" which is a corruption of "hijo de puta" that arose from frequent use and rapid speech in parts of the hispanosphere ;-) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 02:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Spanish (especially Mexican Spanish) is exquisite for swearing, but no language, IMHO, beats Russian: Russian has what some consider a whole sub-language on it's own for swearing: the "Russian Mat". The Russian mat consists of a couple of basic words of a sexual theme, from which all the words of the Russia Mat are derived, which often or in most cases have a completely distinct meaning from the base-word. That way, if you're sufficiently proficient in the Russian Mat (I ain't), you could replace all verbs and adjectives and many nouns of a sentence with their vulgar equivalent and still preserve the meaning of the sentence somehow (my Russian is rather rusty after 22 years in Germany and I learned the Russian Mat on the net, since my parents never used it and would be pissed severe, if they'd heard me using it, so it is very, very basic).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I've heard tales of Russian Mat... Seems to not be your regular swear-words... ;-) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 12:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

You know...

Revdelling something isn't necessarily the best way to draw people's gaze away from it. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 15:36, 28 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

Well, it manages to do it's job on anyone below sysop.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

So, almost no one? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 16:08, 28 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

OK, many regular editors have been promoted to sysop-status, but it'd help to obscure the IP from irregular or new members (e.g. those, who threatened to go to the press on us, so maybe there is some trouble inbound in that front, if she was not just talking bs, which is a real chance).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:13, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

The Young Turks

Has recently been the subject of an edit war. I guess you might want to have a look-see. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Because wouldn't it be awful if no one showed up to back you up, eh? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 23:57, 29 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

Because I gather he might be interested and has thus far not been involved in that particular edit war. But sure, cultivate your Mona-like worldview... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:00, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh my, isn't Uygur not busy enough denying the Armenian Genocide?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Well if he wasn't, their name would not make much sense, would it? And interestingly enough the edit war is rather unrelated to TYT themselves... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:14, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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It's a template for when a new user keeps making stupid edits or engages in an edit war. It's our way of saying "we are still giving you a chance to prove you can contribute, but not in the manner you are currently doing so." CorruptUser (talk) 14:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

nono

Turtledove loves to brag about Byzantine History - character names, random references to people being some kind of Byzantine scholar, all across his books. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 14:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Byzantine history? Hmmmmm, I didn't see that in the books I read from him. But then, I ain't no big history expert.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 14:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Didn't he study something of the sorts? And as for Flint: some people say his Marxist views - while never quite overtly expressed - are always visible to those versed in Marxist thought. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Wait a second, what Flint are you talking about?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

He has a PHD in Byzantine History. It pops up in character names and random characters knowing things about Byzantine topics (usually pointing out how obscure of a topic it is). @Aris, eric flint aka 1632 guy--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 18:48, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

You mean that one? Is that any good?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

That's what I meant. I quite like it. And as a matter of fact, the first part can be had as a download online for free... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that

None of my extended visits to the middle east included a bus ride in Israel. I suppose I am thankful for that, too. I did hear, from a reliable source, that even trying to buy a ticket at the bus station could easily end in an argument. People who think RW editors are a flock of stroppy arseholes have not experienced saberim in real life. Can't say I blame them for being stubborn and opinionated, considering, shall we say, their neighbors lack of fondness for them. 75.133.2.98 (talk) 15:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Who are saberim? And btw, I've heard Israel is currently investing quite heavily in better rail infrastructure. I hope this will make buses mostly redundant in the foreseeable future... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 16:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Saberim is the plural is sabra. Sabra is a slang expression for a Jew born in Israel (resp. on the territory of what later became partly Israel a.k.a. in Eretz Israel).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 16:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 16:25, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Power plus prejudice

I think I see the problem: you think that the power+prejudice theory asserts dis-empowered people can't be prejudiced. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the theory. It alleges that large-scale social harm comes from combining prejudice with power. It doesn't even assert that minorities never have power, just that structually, there's often an entrenched power structure supporting one particular prejudice above others, which is why some racism is more problematic than other racism. It's not a way of saying that some people can't be racist or otherwise prejudiced. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 13:41, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Sounds too much like an ad-hoc explanation to me.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 13:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

It is an ad hoc explanation, because it's explaining a subjective, human phenomenon. It does have objective research supporting the larger idea, but not every sociological theory is going to be able to completely divorce itself from the subjective, particularly when answering important subjective questions. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 13:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I didn't express my thought clear enough. This sounds too much like a misrepresentation of this idea, at7 least, if I read the first few paragraphs of the article. It sounds pretty moonbatty too me.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 13:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Anita Sarkeesian is a leading academic who actively endorses and defines the meaning of the p+p equation. Her starting choice of words was "[Form of discrimination] against ["type of" human beings with X between their legs] doesn't exist". To say "doesn't exist" is not a meek choice of words. She's disqualifying that entire notion to the absolute farthest reach you could ever do so. How is that not robbing a large amount of people of their stories? How is it that there can be no exceptions to this rule? How is it that people who instead have Y between their legs are thus also shuffled to the victim side? The entire charm of this equation is that it's so very comfortable and neat. The world becomes bad guys vs good guys. It's appaling, and it's a joke. And "true or not", it becomes impossible for anyone to seriously argue for any type of equality (as apart from gender-, race- or other war) while subscribing to this theory as applied in academia. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Leading where? On Youtube?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:12, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Leading in the sense that her supporters would define her, if nothing else. I'm not one of them, but just to concede that point - it's a central theme to the p+p equation. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

David Dukes had lots of followers. Therefore David Dukes is a leading proponent of Social Justice. Logic! CorruptUser (talk) 15:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

While my argument in no ways rest on her "greatness", anyone would have to agree she's a recognized presence in the discussion, apart from her defining quote for the social application of p+p. I must say I also underscored her a little extra in anticipation of the regular backlash one gets when questioning her statements, where a tall tirade is launched on the accusatory grounds that my criticism instead were to stem from an unwillingness to admit her supposed weight in the field or something. Considering something like the opposite happened, I suppose my emphasis became overweight on one side. Oh well, I hope you all get my point regardless - a point which is in agreement with Arisboch. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:32, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

If they didn't believe it, they wouldn't do it

Oh come on, "not even considering the question at all" is another likely angle here. (Your revert was fine, but your edit summary was silly) ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 17:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Refs on talk pages

Refs on talk pages are a dumb idea. They get in the way of clean archiving, and sooner or later some asshole comes along to put something below the ref section. Just don't. Alec Sanderson (talk) 13:46, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Why'd you revert...

Your comment at my talk page? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:24, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Poster's remorse. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (talk) 22:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

What's that? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Why am I not surprised you're not familiar with this concept? >.> 142.124.55.236 (talk) 22:31, 7 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Maybe I know the concept but not the word... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

You don't know the meaning of "poster" or "remorse"? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 22:37, 7 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

In many cases two words together don't mean what they mean separately. For example, "Survivor" is a program on TV and "guilt" is a legal category... Yet together... Well, let's not dwell on this... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

When I looked at it, it didn't came out the way I intended to, so I deleted it.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 22:56, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I wonder...

What your reaction would be if someone posted "So much butthurt 'second-generation refugees'. Palestinians are scum!" to a talkpage. Though perhaps I already know... 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:07, 8 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah, so that's why you uploaded that. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 23:35, 12 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Nope, I just noticed, that there is no middle finger-smiley.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

The middle finger has come a long way since being the symbol of undying love in ancient Rome... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 12:41, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

O rly?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 12:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

But they put the wedding ring there because they thought it had a special connection to the heart... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 12:57, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Or probably as a hint to the wedding night :D--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 12:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Possibly. The Romans were a dirty bunch after all.... Quite literally; they thought soap was only for barbars :-P Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 13:01, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to put a comma in front of that "that" btw. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 12:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

JAQing off, ain't we?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 21:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

What is this kind of suggestive questioning trying to achieve? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Just pointing out what I perceive as a double standard. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:15, 8 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

This "double standard" only exists in your head.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 21:16, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I certainly hope that's the case. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:20, 8 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

What is this based on? Usually these kinds of question don't simply "appear" Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Unless you were hit by a sudden stroke of amnesia, I'm sure you know the answer to that just as well as I do. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:26, 8 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Well, perhaps you were unaware of this little piece of context. So there ya go. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:32, 8 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Blacke = Mona

So, you really think that Mona is arguing with Ryulong about GamerGate? Why would Mona do that? To my limited knowledge, she has never shown any interest in the topic. Blacke (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well people who are good at making sockpuppets make sure to not have them have entirely identical views on everything. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 13:18, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I can't be a sock of Mona because I'm already a sock of someone else. (Anyone up for a game of "Guess Who"?) Blacke (talk) 22:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Brx is supposedly stomping around, so Brx?--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 22:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Who is Brx? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I miss Brx, what a fine fellow. What a pity about the whole him being banned thing. (I wasn't around when it happened, so I have only a hazy understanding of the reasons.) The end of his ban is up in a month or two, I hope he returns then. But no, I am not Brx. Blacke (talk) 22:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Godot? blue!? (The latter is incredibly unlikely)--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 22:47, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it's Tanya. Haven't seen much from the last username I knew about, and the style is waay too different. Alec Sanderson (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I on't, off the top of my head, know who Tanya is. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 03:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I am Marcus Cicero? Or could I be Ty? Or Nx? Or Eira? (No, I'm pretty sure I'm not Eira. Well, I hope I'm not Eira, because I'd be very disappointed if I was.) The possibilities boggle the mind. Blacke (talk) 03:22, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't see you being TY, for a few reasons.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 03:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

[ec] I don't think you're SuperJosh, but I've been wrong before. @paravant, Tanya spoke French and Lakota. Alec Sanderson (talk) 03:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Confession time: I'm Miekal. Blacke (talk) 03:31, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Now you're just messing with us. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 03:36, 19 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

When haven't I been? (OK, real confession this time: I am the deformed child produced by a short-lived and sordid affair between Ace McWicked and Maratrean.) Blacke (talk) 03:37, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Now I know thats a lie because i abhore sockpuppetry :P --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 03:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

"To my limited knowledge, she has never shown any interest in the topic." Actually, as I've said a number of times across pages, my appreciation for the Gamergate article is one of the reasons I joined RW. When Twitter exploded with that war in Fall of 2014 I was utterly perplexed and couldn't understand the debate. I solicited and read some proffered articles at a few sites, but it was the RW entry that actually caused the light to dawn for me.---Mona- (talk) 03:33, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I told you my knowledge was limited. Since I'm not you, I only have a very limited awareness of your opinions or interests. Blacke (talk) 03:34, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

"Since I'm not you" You're lucky. Being me is hard!---Mona- (talk) 03:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe. My wife and I have been enslaved by a two year old, with a personality as volatile as a North Korean dictator. That's pretty hard. Blacke (talk) 03:43, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Wait a second.... Blacke claims to be married. Mona claims to be married.... Illuminati confirmed! (I am joking, in case you did not know that) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Well then you definitely are not blue or TY if you're married, let alone for two years. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 22:33, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Holy flying fuck, this edit of mine was meant as a joke (I stole the idea from Avengerofthe BoN's userpage). I had no intention of spawning this kinda argument on my talk page (there is no way to prove, that Blacke is a sock of Mona, since this wiki has no CheckUser and it probably won't have one, with all the bad experiences with it at teh Wikipedia and even CheckUser ain't 100% accurate in that department).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 20:59, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Apparently humor does not work well on the Interwebz... Who'da thunk...? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:22, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I am very happily divorced.---Mona- (talk) 23:52, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

My user page

Well, at least you aren't plastering it with pictures of dicks (as Ace used to do to Maratrean). Blacke (talk) 23:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Don't give me ideas (I'd do that, if these humorless pricks wouldn't have deactivated NSFW images being shown as an image instead of the link to the image).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:23, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Wait RW is censored all the while WP isn't? SACRILEGE! Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

IIRC, there are some restrictions on images at WP often used for trolling.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

One of the admins here had a religious objection to pornography, so a porn filter was installed. Blacke (talk) 23:31, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Religious objection on RationalWiki?!?!?! What the flying motherfuck?!?!?!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

You can't post some images on all pages, but if you look for "nudity" you will see nude peopleAvengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:42, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Arisboch, you don't know? RationalMedia Foundation is a front group for The Fellowship. The whole atheist/skeptic/evolutionist thing is just an act, part of an extremely devious plan to establish a global theocracy. Blacke (talk) 23:59, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Arisboch you silly goose

I shall use my sysop tools with absolute disregard of your preferences.---Mona- (talk) 23:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Did you took a look at that (and btw, don't be boring and joke-block back)??--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:53, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

The joke block is the main reason I care about the mop, tbh Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:05, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Ryulong

I see that since you are an "anti-SJW" (whatever that actually means) your opinions carry no weight. I take it that you and I have different views on a number of issues (such as those relating to Zionism or Israel), but I'd like to think we can disagree on the basis of rational argumentation rather than dismissing people's views simply based on labels of questionable meaning. Blacke (talk) 02:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

So wait

You didn't know Avenger is the same guy as this IP yet? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 17:07, 21 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Why are you asking?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Because of some *ahem* secret revisions I looked at which happened to catch my attention. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 17:29, 21 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Wait, are you saying Avenger has a sock puppet?---Mona- (talk) 17:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Nah, that's just his IP when he's not logged in. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 17:44, 21 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Secret revisions? Sockpuppets? Gossip? I! Want! All! The! Juicy! Details! Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:07, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I thought there was no way to confirm what our real is? Cuz that should quickly resolve sock puppet claims if both are consistently using different IDs but the same one each time (no Tor).---Mona- (talk) 19:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, we don't have CheckUser here, so no way to get rid of the sockpuppet paranoia. ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 19:26, 21 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

We don't have checkuser, but behavioral evidence can be compelling. If, hypothetically, a certain BoN stops editing about the time a registered account starts taking an interest in the same article(s), that would indicate something, sort of an "I know it when I smell it" kind of thing. People often forget that "common sense" includes aroma detection.

I haven't found it again lately, but there used to be a piece somewhere online about managing a stable of sockpuppets while minimizing the chances of detection. Super simple stuff, really. MaillardFillmore (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I would contribute to the debate at my talk page

But I can't, thanks to Paravant's shenanigans... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:51, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I unblocked you.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:52, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit Wars tend to get stopped via blockings and protections, you should learn to not edit war. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 23:54, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

YOU were edit warring by unreasonably and unilaterally removing the footnotes section. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:06, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, but he's got the BIG mop, so he's in the right, right?</irony> And relied on some guy having railroaded a policy change just to spite you.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:09, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I rely on nobody, if i wanted to be vindictive or spiteful I'd have been far harsher than this. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 00:10, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Of course there's (almost) always a way to be a bigger dick no matter, how much of a dick one is.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:13, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Wasn't there recently a debate about whether "might makes right" is a good principle? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Of course, and some guys even built escape hatches as to why calling someone a chickenhawk ain't ad hom (or why it is completely kosher ad hom or both) and why doxxing people the RW doesn't like ain't doxxing at all.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:20, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Or why Hamas ain't terrorists but every member of Likud ever totally is... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:14, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I still can't contribute

As I am currently not autoconfirmed... Thanks to... You guessed it. And the protection level is... guess what? Right again. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:07, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Not anymore.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:09, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

To be fair I thought you were auto-confirmed, which is separate from auto patrolled--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 00:10, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Well you throwing me into the "none" category ensured that I ain't... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Boycott Saudi Arabia

I have an idea for a new "movement". It is in essence for a call to boycott Saudi Arabia until they end their current policy of support for terrorism and stop executing people for being gay and other stuff (listing it all would be too long, but I thing you get the gist of it). The boycott is rather simple: Just don't drive. If you have to drive, try using an electric car. If you find another product that has been manufactured by Saudi Arabia or might conceivably profit their regime, don't buy it. But I guess there won't be too much need for that. Boycott Saudi Arabia (preliminary abbreviation BSA) does not endorse more thaen five minutes of research as to whether a given non-oil product comes from Saudi Arabia. Small quantities of bicycle oil or oil for other mechanic appliances should preferably be replaced with bio-fuels but may be considered exempt in a pinch. What do you think? Should I start asking for donations? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I think such a boycott movement would be a great idea (even if there's oil coming from various non-SA places too), though I admit I wouldn't trust you with any donation money. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:58, 24 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Can people in Alaska drive? I would assume they do not import Saudi oil into Alaska, they have more oil than they know what to do with. How about residents of Norway? Blacke (talk) 22:01, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

The US in general has substantial oil reserves, yet they still buy oil from the Saudis. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 22:12, 24 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

I think we can imagine the world market for oil in a first approximation as a giant pool. All oil is pulled into it and all users draw from it. Hence Alaskans driving ultimately also burn Saudi oil, even if no oil from Saudi Arabia physically ends up in Alaska. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

While it is true that the US imports oil despite having massive reserves, it is often true as well that it is more profitable to export your oil and import from other countries for a variety of reasons.Kentuckyball (talk) 20:59, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

David Ricardo, I presume (note for the hard of hearing: Mister Ricardo is long dead and made a theory that I assume the other user refers to). Still, if we globally decrease demand for the one priced commodity Saudi Arabia is exporting in any significant quantities, what do you think will happen to the Saudi economy and its government that relies on it? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:43, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

The first order of business is to get the United States to stop kissing the ass of the Saudi royals. We lavish them with arms, surveillance capabilities and intelligence -- all while we prattle to the world about human rights and bomb and make war on (and help make war on ) Muslim countries we don't like, and whose human rights abuses are no worse then the Saudis, often better.---Mona- (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

“”The only kingdom that runs on righteousness is the kingdom of heaven. The kingdoms of the earth run on oil. The Arabs have oil.

—Leon Uris, Exodus

Remembering some wisdom I learned in Germany

I'm sure you have heard this, but here are four possible combination which I'll give in the form I heard them. They are easily translated.

Dumm + faul = harmlos.
Intelligent + fleißig = gute Arbeitskraft.
Intelligent + faul = Führungskraft.
Dumm + fleißig = gefährlich.

You see where I'm going. Now substitute “blind und fanatisch“ for „dumm“ and you have a real case. Perhaps a little dumm too. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 23:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

That's quite interesting. But read this:

“”Der Fanatismus ist gerade bei den Gebildeten zu Hause.

--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:33, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

There is some truth to that, but I wouldn't define „Bildung“ and „Jahre in der Uni“ as synonymous. You can very well have Bildung without school and history is full of fools with years of schooling. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Indeed :( --Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:47, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Germany (and to an even greater degree Austria) are way too obsessed with little letters before one's name tbh Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I can say to my satisfaction, that I've worked with a number of PhD-holders, without knowing their degree, until it popped up in conversation or in two cases, when I saw a paper sent to them for refereeing. :-) Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 15:43, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Given that someone I know once jokingly suggested to get a PhD only for the express purpose of it being on his letterheads and doorbell.... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:55, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

One of the best jokes in my personal history is that I am referred to as Dr. in a very respected book, actually the bible of its subfield, due to a misunderstanding. I will probably have to rise to that one day. :-) Sorte Slyngel (talk) 18:59, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Zionism has been sysop locked

Presumably to lock me out from the transformation of a sub-par article on an issue only tangentially relevant to our mission statement into a Hamas hatchet piece worthy of one Mona Holland, former lawyer of some place (all these things have been publicly stated by the user in question)... I fear for the ability of this page to attract people who dare support Israel. If Mona wins it will be a dark day indeed for supporters of human rights for Jews and those who wish to broaden the base of RW, not narrow it down to one specific sub-section of antisemitic nutcases... And as Mona has gone round on discussion pages drumming up support for her side, I guess it is okay (but you never know in the world of Paravant) to discuss this with you... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Avenger, please listen to a friend, and I mean both listen and friend seriously. Take a two days break. Let things cool a bit. For the rest of you, this is no ammunition material. I still despise people who take pleasure in saying: „... and now I must punish you...“ or words to that effect. Avenger is more sympathetic than at least Paravant and Mona combined, not that that's saying much. But ... chill. Tuus in amicitia. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 19:58, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

PS:Don't feel singled out, Paravant and Mona. There are more, and Avenger is still of a heck worth more than the bunch. Just to be sure that nobody is in doubt. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I shall seriously consider it. Maybe I'll leave the machine off for tomorrow. There are actually one or two things I would like to get done IRL... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

There is something amusing about how you ascribe intentions and feelings to my actions which are not there, it's also called lying. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 22:02, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Zionism has been sysop locked! Oh noes!

Don't worry, Avenger. Arisboch has sysop powers, I'm sure he'll come to your aid. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 20:11, 25 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

If I've done things right it is unblocked. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:14, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

You've correctly performed the action. On whether you've done things "right" or not, well, I trust some would disagree. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

They do. Mona was quick. I've redone, but only as a sign of protest. Someone else will protect the bloody page again. We'll see if the executioner per self-appointment sees fit to have me hanged, drawn and quartered. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:23, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I was wrong. Mona again. Still, I can't compete with numbers and stupidity. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

By the last count it has been three blocks and two unblocks - leaving the page blocked. How many constitute an edit war by definition? Patiently waiting for Paravant's well-meant admonishments. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Um, what are you talking about? Nobody locked the page after you unprotected it. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 20:38, 25 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

I got two mails saying that Mona had reverted, or perhaps edited the page. I don't know, I've deleted the mails since they were of no further use. My misunderstanding. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:48, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Mea culpa! All she did was edit. Apologies all around, and thank you BoN. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

You have been smitten by a bunny in accordance with the community standards for... no real reason. Feel free to revert this odd edit.

Coop

I am here to inform you that, due to the Zionism debacle, you have been taken to the coop due to your role in the issue. Please be civil so we can find a solution. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 00:38, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Yo

you been here for a while, cool it on the Edit Wars and general dickery, will you? We don't want anything drastic happening if that is what the community decides solves this if you guys cannot.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 02:38, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually consider this please. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 03:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

So you plan to not stop? Even though you are in the wrong? Ok fine --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 18:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Plan not to stop doing what? Refusing to let Mona turn RationalWiki into IntifadaWiki?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

That's just adolescent: "IntifadaWiki." Out in the world, Arisboch, serious voices of journalists, scholars, human rights activists and the like are all publishing a very great deal on the Israel-Palestine issue; I draw from these myriad people and organizations as my sources. You've focused on one I occasionally use -- Electronic Intifada -- because the name drives you batshit, and I guess legitimating it by using it as a reference is more than you can take. But you must face it: Ali Abunimah is a respectable journalist, and is now increasingly cited in mainstream venues. Finally, to parrot back your own wordplay, I think what bothers you is you would have RW be HasbaraWiki, and that isn't going to happen. Make your peace with that and we can all work together here in relative collegiality.---Mona- (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Another one of these dumbshits smelling hasbara anywhere, where the stuff doesn't look, as if the Hamas/BDS released it.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋

One side is quoting electronic Intifada. Is the other side quoting electronic Hasbara? Who do you think has facts on their side? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:21, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Yo, part deux

You are not going to be able to chase me out of here. Nor will I stop editing articles with FACTS you find unpleasant on matters pertaining to your favorite ethno-religious, proto-fascist (as you can imagine, I have a lot of documentation for using that word, from many sources, not just the ones you have singled out to hate) state. The truth is all over the Internet, in books, mainstream media outlets and increasingly in TV -- and you (Zionists) are not going to be able to suppress it. Moreover, I won't let you do so here. Make it as difficult as you like. I won't stop editing relevant articles with facts you detest and do not want known. You. Can't Win. The facts are against you, and I know how to deploy facts. ---Mona- (talk) 04:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

"Proto-fascist"? Go shove your Godwin and your Endsieg-rethorics up your and your deity Greenwald's slimy ass, you terrorist-apologetic shitheel.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 16:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, that isn't helping mona. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 04:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Of course it isn't, but that doesn't bother her. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 04:07, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, and what you decided on is really gonna make him walk straight. Paravant, I've been around the block many times with Zionists, and this is how a significant number of them act. They cannot be reasoned with. Do you think it is an accident that it is first Avenger, and now Arisboch, you have to deal with? They are horrified by the facts and will go to pretty great lengths to try to keep them from being known. If you don't believe me yet, you will. Or at least some here will. It's a phenomenon that repeats all over the Internet.---Mona- (talk) 04:11, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Paravant, Mona's actions here may instigate conflict and render your attempts to cool the situation down negligible. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 04:12, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

If i could i'd turn on night mode and just shit the wiki down until 4 pm tomorrow. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 04:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

"that isn't helping mona" What? Arisboch is a toddler who will be forced to act out because mean Mona said some righteous and angry words? pffft.---Mona- (talk) 04:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

No, you are instigating shit at a flashpoint. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 04:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe she's trolling for responses she can use to bolster her arguments for her sysop purge.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:01, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I think this comment applies just as much here as it did over there. Come on, guys, settle down. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 04:17, 27 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

"cool the situation down negligible." You mean the situation in which one user constantly reverts the edits of three other users and refuses to accept their credible sources just because he doesn't like their facts? That situation? You mean my words might cause some more of that? Hmmm. How odd. And now Fedora invokes (cue scary music) "flashpoints." Fucking Christ.---Mona- (talk) 04:19, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Mona, why did you leave that crap for Arisboch? What was the purpose of it? To rant? <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 04:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't care who's right, wrong, left or upwards movement (which unironically owns, btw), you should all shut up and stare at a wall. I hear the paint drying season is gettin' good right now.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 04:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't have done it, Arisboch. By now you should have figured out that I have facts to support all of my claims. But you again (foolishly) called me out, which only creates yet another opportunity for me to share unpleasant reality about Israel -- in this case its proto-fascism. Here's Israel Prize laureate and renowned scholar Zeev Sternhell, who told Haaretz: "What needs to be examined in this context is the resilience of the democracy – and Israeli democracy has become increasingly eroded, until it reached a new nadir in the current [2014 slaughter in Gaza] war. The indicators [of fascism] you asked about definitely exist here.” He continues:

The government will continue to rule, resting on the Knesset majority by force of edicts and creation of clear segregation between Jews and non-Jews, imposing censorship, intimidating dissidents, the media, the universities – all supposedly autonomous bodies....it could reach a boiling point. The water is already very hot. It hasn’t yet boiled, but it could do so tomorrow morning. It’s on the brink of boiling over.”

“I have remained a Zionist, certainly. Maybe foolishly. The aim of Zionism was to create a safe home for the Jews, but for many years we have been living in the most unsafe place in the world for Jews. Zionism aimed to build a safe home for the Jews. But also a home worthy of the name, a decent home that one can be proud of, a home in which you don’t step on anyone’s back or suppress anyone. Already in the 1920s it was understood that the Arabs don’t want us and that the fulfillment of Zionism cannot be dependent on their good will. We arrived at a state of war, we won the war and that was the end of that chapter and the start of a new one.

“To go on with it for decades after the state’s establishment is the ruination of Zionism. What’s happening now in the territories is not Zionism, it’s a nightmare of Zionism. If the result is one state here, between the sea and the Jordan River, there will either be a devastating civil war or an apartheid state. In both cases, the Zionist state as I understand it and as I want it, will not exist. There will be something else here. My consolation is that I will not be around to see it.”

There's much, much more documentation of fascism in Israel. (Just ask if you'd like to see it.) And Arisboch, all this knowledge I have? Nothing you can do will stop me from documenting it in appropriate RW articles. I didn't come here initially to do that, but having been introduced to people calling me a cunt, an antisemite, questioning my character (waving at Fedora) and vandalizing my good faith edits, well, I've taken on a whole new mission. You would have been better off suffering my informed edits just a bit and I would have pretty quickly wanted to move on to the woo-woo piece I actually arrived here to draft. But now I feel challenged to show you that your thuggish bullshit will not be allowed to prevail. And I'm going to do just that.---Mona- (talk) 17:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

So your threat for me not kissing your soggy ass is continuing to do idiotic Nazi/Fascism-comparisons against Israel? That's what you were doing the whole fucking time!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:19, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

There is fascism in Israel. Know who the fascists are? Some of the Arabs. Know what Israel does to them? Let's them vote for fascist parties and let's them sit in the Knesset. Know what happens to Jewish fascists? Their parties get banned and they get put in prison for live plus fourteen years. In my humble opinion if you can make a criticism of Israel regarding fascism, it is that they are too lenient when it comes to Arab fascism. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:27, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Just something I've been wondering

Your username, does it have any special meaning? Or is it just something you liked the sound of? You're free not to tell me, of course, if it's too personal or somesuch. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 17:56, 27 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Prejudice plus power

Can you explain to me what was wrong with the changes I made? Withoutaname (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

You trying to gloss over the fact, that it's a redefinition of the word racism. Everyone can be racist, sexist or whatever, no matter, what plumbing or skin-color one has.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 20:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't? I simply stated its a reformulation that hasn't gained much currency outside of a niche use in academia. How does that "gloss over" the fact you're talking about? Withoutaname (talk) 21:01, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Did you read through at all the two paragraphs I rewrote? I haven't even touched the other paragraphs yet criticizing the formula, and you seem to think I'm rewriting the criticism away.

The phrase "Prejudice plus power" is an attempted reformulation of the different types of oppression (e.g. racism[1][2], sexism[3]) into terms of art that can be expressed in a pseudo-mathematical way. However, outside of academia these redefinitions have not gained much mainstream currency.

The traditional description of these types of oppression usually refers to interpersonal bigotry or oppression and is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism with respect to [social construct]". For example, "racism" is usually defined as "prejudice, discrimination or antagonism with respect to race". Since these are emotionally charged terms dressed up in pseudo-mathematical language, people outside of academia usually treat these redefinitions as abuse of language used to deny or excuse prejudice committed by members of underprivileged classes against members of privileged classes.

Withoutaname (talk) 21:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

The previous version is easier to read and understand, IMNSHO (sry for the misunderstanding orz).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 21:09, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Break

You might want to take a break for a few days, as Avenger has. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 20:00, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

What for? For more electronic Intifada propaganda to be inserted into each and any article even remotely relating to Israel or Judaism? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

To avoid further conflict. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 20:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't solve shit and the article is turning into a hit piece as I speak write.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 20:34, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Alright, if you feel that's the best course of action for you. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 20:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Well I fear, we already lost. But the only thing I can do by my very nature is fighting on and hoping against hope that reason shall prevail. I fear Arisboch is of a similar persuasion. Giving up now will only embolden Mona and her ilk... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:55, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Am I included in her "ilk"? <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (pretentious, unwarranted self importance) (talk) 20:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Do you think electronic Intifada is a legitimate source? Do you lock down pages when Arisboch or myself present a viewpoint you don't like? Do you insert anti-Israel propaganda into articles not even tangentially related to Israel? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:07, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Do you not go along with Avenger's warped view of reality? (Am talking about his views of on-wiki activity in this case, to be clear.) Then yes, you're part of Mona's ilk! Welcome to the club! :D 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:14, 27 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

If the fake BoN could kindly go fuck themself... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't masturbate. :/ (Even if I did, I wouldn't do it on command.)
And your view of the relevant on-wiki activity being notably warped is kind of obvious. If you can't see it, well, as I said before, do some more introspection. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:22, 27 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Ha

<-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (administrator) (system operator) (talk) 05:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 05:45, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Vandal bin

At this point I don't care whether you believe it or not, but I actually dislike using sysop authority, especially directed at an individual. I hate moderation (or similar actions) at almost all sites even as I acknowledge it's an evil necessity. But you and Avenger tag-teamed to vandalize the Whataboutery article such that the "definition" would be warped in a way useful to your Zionist arguments. I reverted you. Weaseloid did. You wouldn't respect that and as "explanation" in the summary prattled glibly about the FSM. Not cool. Stop it.---Mona- (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't fucking vandalism (the comment was snark), its was a legit edit about the abuse of this fallacy, so get me out of the vandal bin.--95.208.248.112 (talk) 17:29, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Refusing to acknowledge the wrong behavior isn't going to get you out soon.---Mona- (talk) 17:34, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Why'd you change

Bavarian Wikipedia to English Wikipedia? That mention got them probably more traffic thaen they have gotten all last year... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Even in Bavaria there are more people speaking English than Bavarian. No-one will understand this stuff.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 01:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Tell that to the voter base of the CSU ;-). Well you are absolutely right on the face of it. But it's just adorable that enough people consider Bavarian to a "language" and important to create an article on it. If you take away Franconia, Bavaria is a country that needs less thaen half a nuke to be taken out. And yet some Bavarian (FJS chief among them) still seem to think they are or ever were some sort of power... Some appear to be deluded enough to even think great power. Point is: Scheiß Baiern! Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

That's including the CSU. A lot of them speak standard German with some Bavarian tinge (a slightly different pronunciation and a few different words), but Bavarian as a real dialect? A tiny minority. What I mean is, that even among the CSU, Bavarian separatism is not a serious part of policy like in the Bayernpartei (and "Scheiß Baiern" is probably a tad too harsh, IMNSHO).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 01:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

That is true. But they do like to play with it. As they also like to invoke the old FJS saying "to our right, there is only the wall". And well I may be harsh, but I am not entirely wrong, am I? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

"You actually BROKE the link!"

No, the link I used works, and archive.is concurs. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 17:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

When I used your link, I saw this. My link worked, on my browser and on the Tor Onion browser.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Strange, that's what I saw when I first tried to access your link, but now I don't have that problem anymore. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 17:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll just upload it to imgur and spare us all the pain in the ass, 'k?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:36, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with that. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Regarding German fake Anonymous

I just googled an article and the first one that seemed to fit was this one. Glad to be of service ;-) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Judging by the article, it's next to or right on impossible to tell the legit Anonymous crowd from those, who're supposedly or actually fake like this Neo-Nazi-run Facebook page you were talking about. The agenda of BLM is, of course, nothing like Anonymous (who're a bunch a trolls), but they're still a leaderless movement like Anonymous, where you can hardly tell, who the real shakers and movers and who're some guys, who're merely used by, say, Mona or the conservative or more the more wingnutty crowd to paint the BLM in a certain shade (be it a positive or negative one).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Ayup. Btw, I don't know if you have facebook, but there are a couple of pages you might want to "like", we can discuss further things in the established channels ;-) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

If BLM is "leaderless" why does our article cite founders?---Mona- (talk) 01:00, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Founder ≄ leader.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 14:29, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

As Bernd Lucke had to learn the hard way... His Alternative für Deutschland now goes an even more hard right direction thaen he would have wanted... Without him. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, cuz the personality having leadership skills who uses them to found a group virtually never leads it. pffft It's not centralized, but it has identifiable founders as well as spokespeople.---Mona- (talk) 15:33, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

A quotation

Mal schaun ob ichs noch zambring....

"Some people would see the world burn if they could be king of the ashes". Just quoted this for reasons... If you know where it's from, you're good. ;-) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I neither watched the series nor read the books, so I had to use Google, but are the books any good (I won't watch the series, the Harry Potter movies soured me on that coupla years ago, since them, I try to plow through the masses of Harry Potter-fanfic-garbage to find the few gemstones hidden in it)?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I have read a bit of the first book but have never gotten around to read much else of it. I have however seen all of the series which is really good. And I mean good. However, there are forums that bitch about the newer seasons diverging to far from the books, so there's that. GRR Martin is fond of gorn, porn and food porn in his prose... And he has loads and loads of characters whom he likes to kill off... Also if you want to avoid getting tons of spoilers, you should get up to date on the story ASAP as it is very pervasive in popular culture already... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry bub

But Community Guidelines are Community Guidelines. By the way, have you ever considered rush-from-excessively-insulting-people rehab? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 18:49, 20 October 42015 AQD (UTC)

I did nothing wrong. My post were neither racist, nor threatening, nor sexist, nor homophobic. The criteria are not met. Pure tone trolling.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:51, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

"I did nothing wrong." Haha, are you trying to humour me? That it's wrong is the sole reason you get off from it. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 18:53, 20 October 42015 AQD (UTC)

Arisboch did nothing wrong... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 11:42, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

PETA

Any person sympathetic to PETA or the animal rights/welfare movement will close the page after those remarks. I don't think it's RW purpose to only preach to the choir, but maybe change a mind or 2 about such topics. Carpetsmoker (talk) 10:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

The RW can survive without humorless zealots reading their pages.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 10:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Most "zealots" probably won't be convinced no matter what we write, and I'm not particularly concerned by them. I'm talking about people who think "PETA is okay and do good work", and don't realize it's not as simple as that... An overdose of snark/hostility will put them off... Carpetsmoker (talk) 12:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, as if sarcasm ever did any harm... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:06, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that was a serious comment or a joke? Carpetsmoker (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, cause sarcasm on the internet never gets misunderstood... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Bronies

They make a lot of porn and try to fanwank their way into saying that the horses are technically adults. Why are you contesting this?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Does someone somepony (I ain't no brony, but I use that corrupted verb for funzies) in the series itself say "pony x is y years" old? If not, than anything about their ages (them being either underage or of age) is idle speculation (and it doesn't matter, if the author themselves say it, cause the author is fucking dead).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

It's all fancloppery to insist that they're not teenage girl horses and instead young women horses. The fact that there are over a million google results for "how old are the mane six" speaks volumes. I'm also speaking about the nature of the Bronies themselves rather than the show in isolation.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:34, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

So why do you get your panties all in a bunch about that?? There is NO PROOF for them being of ANY AGE, so claiming porn of them is pedophilia is COMPLETE BULLSHIT! There is NO PROOF for that!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:38, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Are fictitious horses able to informedly consent? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

The issue is that they have to discuss it in the first place because it is a show for little girls and their parents. Just because the ages are not discussed on the show does not mean we can't point out how fucking creepy it is that people are trying to justify their sexual attraction to cartoon horse girls.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Creepy? 'Cause it's a kid's show or 'cause you're on some kinda anti-furry crusade?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 23:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Creepy because it's a kids show and everyone but Bronies assume that these characters are not in their 20s. Also that they're non-anthropomorphic horses and 4chan's proclivities towards certain paraphilias are known.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:56, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

These assumptions are just not based on facts, so why does anyone have to give a fuck about them? And why is portraying kids show's characters as non-asexual a "creepy" thing??--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:00, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

The fact that there are people who complain that the porn exists and that they assume that the characters are not adults is something that can be discussed because Bronydom originated on 4chan where a whole lot of unsavory paraphiliae fester. And I really don't have anything against furries. Just Bronies.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:13, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Again, why should people give a fuck about assumptions based not on facts (and taring all bronies on account of 4chan being involved in the beginnings of the brony-phenonmenon is a case of the genetic fallacy at best)?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:20, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Are you seriously going "not all men bronies" on me?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Who or what is "not all men"?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 01:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

NotAllMen started as a Twitter hashtag and is related to the Gamergate bullshit. started as a Twitter hashtag and is related to the Gamergate bullshit. ---Mona- (talk) 01:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so he's trying to unite his old obsession (GG) with his new obsession (the holy jihad against teh evel, child-diddling, animal-fucking and ableist bronies)? Figures.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 01:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Bronies have produced Rule 34 artwork at a volume unprecedented by other fandoms. They also produced a joke name for a character with crossed eyes based off of a joke at mentally disabled people's expense and were outraged when other people didn't like the joke and that resulted in the show editing the character so it wasn't as offensive. They also actively attack those critical of themselves, such as in this situation.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the word "derp" was based off a slapstick character, not a mentally disabled person (e.g. most people using words such as "idiot", "moron", "retard" and so on don't mean to make fun of the mentally disabled) and why are you OK with corporations using copyright laws to become tyrants over the fandoms of their products?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 01:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Is it really a kid's show once enough adults watch it? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:04, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

A BoN being pissed at me

Arisboch, you contrarian shithead, could you please send your gimp AotBoN back to his basement? 108.6.165.87 (talk) 15:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

You talkin' 'bout me, buddy? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:16, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure of it.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 08:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, is it you, Ryulong, editing under an IP as plausible deniability?-Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:49, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

So...

How about it? Eh? ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:54, 27 October 42015 AQD (UTC)

Could we please stop abusing "so" as a section header? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:55, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

So

Made up your mind yet? ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 22:17, 27 October 42015 AQD (UTC)

Seriously? Yet another "so"? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Soooo...

Are you sure you don't want to take me up on my offer? ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 22:32, 27 October 42015 AQD (UTC)

Sooooooo

I just like headings.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 22:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Ich hätte gern ne bessre Welt, um darin zu leben // denn einiges an unserer finde ich daneben.// Viel zu viel wird investiert in Waffen und in Krieg// Ich schlage vor, wir lassen das, dann ha'm wir mehr Zeit für Musik. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm half decent at writing German and oddly great at keeping up with spoken German, but reading it I am not so good at. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 22:41, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

enjoy I particularly like him complaining about "lesbische Gesangsnattern"... If you have the chance, try and catch him live on your next trip to DACH Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:42, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry the lesbischen Gesangsnattern are found here Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:30, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

So Arisboch, you're not even gonna call me an evil bastard for making that suggestion? ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 05:04, 28 October 42015 AQD (UTC)

Bow before me, O'pessent

--KingOfRationalWiki (talk) 18:52, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Mop

Well Mona threatening suicide (just look at the block logs) did succeed in getting community consensus overturned and me de-mopped... This here place is getting more and more bizarre by the day... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Fuck, I'm too late to tell her to do a flip :D--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 19:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Mona has stunningly decided to de-mop me citing community consensus of all things... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

That is weird, since the community consensus was to give you back your mop!!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:59, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Apparently not in Mona-land. I think she does want to get thrown out of this wiki to cry us all a Jordan on electronic Jihad.... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:06, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

A plurality among opponents is not consensus. Alec Sanderson (talk) 01:13, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the community saved me from leaping from my desk chair to my certain death.---Mona- (talk) 18:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Don't be ridiculous... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Alec, Avenger did get his mop back last week. However, CamelCasePragmatist de-mopped him Friday night (with a lot of support) due to behavior subsequent to the coop case on said Friday.---Mona- (talk) 01:56, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

I know. It wasn't consensus that got him his mop back, it was Paravant, after an 11/7 vote in the coop, which fell far short of consensus, IMO. The "quorum" included some sketchy participants, for one thing. According to the other wiki, consensus takes into account the validity of the various arguments presented. A bare signature is not an argument, and neither is "nah bro" or "grab your popcorn." His mop (and his behavior) has been a bone of contention for long enough that clear consensus is not apparent. Alec Sanderson (talk) 02:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

This is not the other wiki, this is RW, we don't have that complicated voting rules here. The coop case with with 11/7 in his favor, so he got his mop back. The mob reigned supreme.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Arisboch, is that written somewhere? But for present purposes this has to do with subsequent behavior to that coop case, tho I do not doubt frustration with pre-coop behavior contributed to the action and the support for it.---Mona- (talk) 02:33, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Calling that a consensus is still a misnomer. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 02:34, 1 November 42015 AQD (UTC)

According to the 1st definition on Dictionary.com, it isn't.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

I should add, there was also the same behavior on Wednesday. So, on Friday Avenger surely knew better. Paravant and I had both dealt with it in the Saloon already on Wednesday. This is just enough -- people are sick of it.---Mona- (talk) 02:38, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Or rather you and your patron Paravant saw the opportunity to partially reverse the reversal of your purge?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:45, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Yes Arisboch. Paravant and I are the RW Stalins. But don't leave out CamelCasePragmatist. Is he Lenin?---Mona- (talk) 02:48, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

No, Paravant is the wizard, you are Dorothy, and Frick and Frack there are a couple of flying monkeys. I am just one of the hired men back in Kansas, and CCP has nothing to do with a Soviet metaphor. Oh, wait... Alec Sanderson (talk) 02:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

ADDING: Ryulong also got his mop back. He also almost immediately lost it due to subsequent, repeat bullshit actions. But unlike Avenger he didn't mislead people by pretending there had been no subsequent unacceptable behavior. The coop cases did not immunize either Ryu or Avenger from de-mopping in perpetuity.---Mona- (talk) 02:45, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

The Mufti

I found this published by the U.S. National Archives. It says on p. 21 that both the CIA and Army files establish that the Allies considered Husseini a war criminal. Moreover, as the document discusses his actions went well beyond a single meeting with Hitler. I still think his activities are extraneous to the Israel page but they belong somewhere. Perhaps the Palestine page? Or his own article?---Mona- (talk) 03:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Well finally you admit, that al-Husseini was not shitting rainbows, marshmellows and unicorns ponies all day. An achievement, break out the vodka.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 12:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Somebody just wants to let you know you did something silly.

I never denied it. I asked for documentation, which was not forthcoming. But as a fact-based individual I told you when I located significant support for your claim.---Mona- (talk) 16:32, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

I never denied it- Mona ^{Do You Believe That?} Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:10, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

You could be reasonable and bring forth any examples of such denial you have. 76.73.175.43 (talk) 19:20, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

If they took place on-wiki, they should be pretty straightforward to locate. 76.73.175.43 (talk) 19:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Avenger is merely playing Robin the Boy Wonder to Arisboch's Batman. The latter promiscuously uses that superscript thing to ask that "question." Proving facts to, or requesting them from, either of those two -- but especially Avenger-- are totally futile undertakings. At least on anything Israel-related.---Mona- (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of high-functioning duets... Okay, that's actually nothing like what we were discussing, but still. WalkerWalkerWalker 20:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Er, how entertaining. A little musical interlude. Anyhoo, I actually edited the stuff I found about the Mufti into the Netanyahu article. Because facts are important. I respect facts. (And yes, I do "really believe that!")---Mona- (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

You've been nominated!

Over there. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 15:39, 2 November 2015 (UTC) Thanks, although I don't think, that I'll be elected.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Elässer

I have started an article on Jürgen Elsässer - if you kinow a bit about him, it could do with your input. Cheers. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 17:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

'k, I see, what I can do (although, in he next days, I gonna be busy with other stuff, such as changing from my OEM 500 GB to an 2TB drive on my laptop).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:03, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem, take your time. The article does not seem to be all that controversial and will probably stay low traffic for a while... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

The reason why I'm not doing it right now is, that the hard disk I initially ordered was too big for the hard drive of my laptop; The hard disk was 15 mm high, the bay would only take hard disks, which are 9 mm high. I had to send the hard disk back and buy a new and more expensive one, that will (hopefully) fit in my laptop. What a pain in the ass, I was so naive and thought, that every 2.5" drive would fit in every laptop with a compatible interface. The good thing is, that returning stuff to Amazon directly (not to a seller, who sells through Amazon) is rather easy and cheap... When you're lucky, that is.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:35, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Aw man.... I gotta remember that if and when I got enough money to throw my current Laptop on the trash heap of history... But yeah, despite Amazon treating the poor people in Schkeuditz and elsewhere like dirt, for the customer it is a rather good place to buy... Which I also do... As Adorno said "Es gibt kein richtiges Leben im Falschen" Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Sysop

Can I have it? Aleksandra96 (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Ask me again later.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Can you do it now? Aleksandra96 (talk) 17:31, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

I can't, cause I'm not a sysop anymore myself ;(--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 21:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

But more seriously

Don't be a douche and pretend I said something other than what I did. It's annoying. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 21:32, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

That's basically Arisboch's whole shtick, ikanreed. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 20:45, 4 November 42015 AQD (UTC)

That's basically Arisboch's whole shtick- Fake-BoN ^{[citation needed]} Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, there's also that quotemining thing you do. ;) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:21, 4 November 42015 AQD (UTC)

quotemining- Fake BoN ^{[citation needed]} Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorkin

So is Aaron Sorkin great or very great? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Noice!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 20:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Doxing

Seriously? You're arguing over this shit? Because all of the examples Aneris added were regarding the Eliza Sutton bullshit where she spread lies about PZ Myers. And one instance of Margaret Pless saying she doxed someone. If these people don't have articles on the project, they don't have any fucking place in a "See also" section.Ryulong (talk) 01:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

No

It just arbitrarily broke treaties with nations, actively abused its status to abuse other nations and spent a good century standing by and passively/actively supporting discrimination and murdering of it's own citizens.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 03:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

And in your country they lynch Negroes...? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:34, 6 November 2015 (UTC)::

You shut your whore mouth. That other countries are doing terrible things does not discredit criticism for the US's own record on the issue, unless you yourself want to engage in fallacy. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 03:36, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Whatever the US's faults, they are less of a hypocrite thaen the most horrible dictatorships in the world accusing the US of their (by comparison) minor faults... But thaen again, antiamericanism is difficult to eradicate... Also: Crying about the word whore!!!! Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:42, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Amusing, but irrelevant. That China is an oppressive oligarchy masquerading as a socialist state does not excuse that America is not a shining gem, nor should you defend it on those grounds. That is fallacy. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 03:44, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

No-one is a shining gem.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

*sparkles all over your shit* WalkerWalkerWalker 15:39, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Well there is a "shining city upon a hill"... But I forgot where it was. Oh no! What is happening to my right hand? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Grumble Grumble

I can live with the compromise on WIGO, though I personally would have preferred my wording... But given the fact that someone took away my Mop yesterday when they believed everyone to be sleeping, I won't push my luck ;-) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:54, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Me too, but this wording looks more palatable to a greater RW audience.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. You are probably right. Unfortunately RW is not entirely free of the Dieter Dehm wing of leftism... Sad though it is, as I myself consider myself to still be part of the leftist tribe... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Jesus christ

get over your persecution complex. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 17:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

What persecution complex??--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:08, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Clearly you are fought and disliked because of any other reason than you being a massive tool--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 17:11, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Don't expect anyone to kiss your ass like your stalking horse does.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok. mod hat time then - Stop being such a colossal tool who turns every thing you comment in into a god damned fight. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 17:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Being a tool? Says the mod, who vandalizes the talk page posts of a user he disagrees with.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Collapsing posts whch derail a topic and are useless to the conversation is not vandalism. One last time - mod hat: Stop being a massive tool who derails every mona conversation into a fight.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 17:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

They did not derail a topic. Mona was making unsourced statements and using utterly moonbatty sites such as Alternet as source.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I am not inclined to trust any commenr you make on mona--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 17:36, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Arisboch, poisoning the well is a fallacy. Your view that Alternet is "moonbatty" is irrelevant. Moreover, Max Blumenthal is known to be reliable, and the same material is in his book, which even those who fiercely hate it concede is accurate. You are not arguing logically with all this recourse to various fallacies.---Mona- (talk) 17:42, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

so

are you going to continue to be a problem, or can we have lasting peace. The fact that without you or Avenger we've had almost total peace on that problem shows where the issues lie. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 16:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Define "problem" in that context.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 00:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Hamasdidit. WalkerWalkerWalker 16:22, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Well well, look who is ignoring the fact that Mona is a model citizen about whom nothing negative can ever be said or has ever been said. I have been blocked for two weeks for making a statement that someone misunderstood and was not even allowed to defend myself. Based on a prior record of never actually saying anybody is an antisemite, but people interpreting me as saying so... But of course I and Arisboch are the problem... Now why is that? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Shut the fuck up if you plan to just maintain the "I have done no wrong" line.

I have yet to hear when or where any of the things I have been accused of ever happened. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

also...

According to your blocking reason, you would give me my sysop-tools back. Could you do that, pls?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 04:23, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I thought he'd re-mopped you already. I just did.---Mona- (talk) 04:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 04:45, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I didn't favor the thing with you. But, saying so didn't make a difference.---Mona- (talk) 05:10, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I can talk, who knows for how long

So wha'dya say? Let's give it one last try? Or leave this wiki to be taken over by Xavier Naidoo and Jürgen Elsässer? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

plotting to be a problem avenger? Do you want to be banned? -.- --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 00:19, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Please define "be a problem" If it in any way includes having and opinion with regards to Hamas, Hezbollah and the state they are fighting, I won't change my opinion. But I may at some point become resigned enough to accept losing on that front to Mona and people who share part or all of her opinions Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Things have been calmed for two weeks because you were gone.and yet you come back and right away continue these "only Mona is the problem I am blameless!" Bullshit. I have no patience for you and if making this wiki no be a terrible place because e you drag fights across it means you get banned again, I will ban you again. This nonsense ends avenger.--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 00:32, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

So this wiki started (or rather, continued) to ban users on ideological grounds (e.g. daring to contradict Mona or you)? Is RationalWiki getting the liberal version of the Conservapedia?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 00:35, 26 November 2015 (UTC)UTC

The only relation to your ideology these bans have is that your ideology is causing you to edit war and hold endless arguments, insulting users need making the wiki a very unfun place. But if you feel I have abused my mod cape,please bring it to atim. --"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 00:41, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I did not ever "insult" any user. Besides maybe a friendly "fuck you" here or there. But that's not an insult. That's making conversation... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:09, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't these two guys do edit here.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 00:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't either. But speaking of which, we might need an article on the other guy... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

You sure, that Naidoo is notable enough for the RW?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 04:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

He would be in a German language RW... His views are certainly kooky enough to put him squarely on mission... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:32, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Yummy cheese

Nul

Rummy Cheeses-better than the name suggests

There are rummy cheeses, all of them delicious. But the reason for this entry is just to let you that I'm alive and somewhat kicking. Keep up the good word. I'll be in touch after Silvester. In the mean time let your brain wander for your pleasure. That feeling is exquisite and well worth some time off RW to read a few books you always wanted to. Auf Dein Wohl Sorte Slyngel (talk) 01:48, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Isn't it ironic...

That an image saying "this is why we can't have nice things" was deleted on wiki? Maybe copyright is why we can't have nice things... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely, copyright has gone much too far already and the lobby is trying their damnedest to tighten the screws more and more.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 12:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

You still sysop?

If so, please have a look at my user rights or whatever makes people kept in the bin... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Awright, you're paroled from the bin.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:14, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

For some reason it still does not work...

This is what it says:

You are unable to edit because you have been placed into the vandal bin.

You were put in the vandal bin by David Gerard and the reason given was: "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Avengerofthe BoN". The reason given for Avengerofthe BoN's block is: "is at it again and attempting to rekindle drama. Restrict to keep maangeable." ". While we hope you had fun, we had to do something, so you can only make one edit every 30 minutes now. If this is a mistake or you have turned a new leaf please alert any sysops. You will be able to edit again in 27 minutes. The block ID is #2679. Please include this in any queries.

Don't ask me what's happening, but it appears this site has ever more software glitches... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

This is no moon glitch, Paravant put you back.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 07:40, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

No, this already happened before Paravant put me back in. Which is btw totally uncalled for... I just tried to remove some of the most blatant Hamas propaganda from the Palestine article ("rockets that can't hit anything" "Gaza is occupied" and the likes). And If I were ever removed from the Bin, I would try and write an article on the Hyperloop (which is PRT on Steroids in terms of transportation pseudo-science), but being in the bin this is a no-go... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:33, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

I see, I'll give it another try in a few days.--Arisboch

☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 20:41, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

If he again deletes a huge chunk of an established article, and especially if he includes an edit summary like this: "The only solution I see for this page in the post-Mona future is restarting from scratch...," if Paravant doesn't re-bin him, I will. Ditto for tendentious edits of the sort for which he is well aware there is no majority support, and/or edit warring.---Mona- (talk) 20:49, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Eine schnelle Antwort, bitte sehr

Ich habe versprochen Avenger freizusetzen, wenn er verspricht, daß er abkühlen wird. Aber wie - technisch - entbinne ich ihn? Prost Sorte Slyngel (talk) 22:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Das ist ganz einfach: Geh zu den Logs, wähle den Vandal-Log aus und gib den Benutzernamen von Avenger ein, und klicke auf den "parole"-Link neben dem Log-Eintrag.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 06:45, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Besten Dank. Jetzt muß ich nur noch sehen, ob unser Freund sich vertraut mir sein Wort zu geben. Alles Gute Sorte Slyngel (talk) 16:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Es kann aber auch sein, dass er entweder beschäftigt ist oder aber etwas Abstand von der RW nehmen will.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 16:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Wie dem auch sei, dann glaube ich, daß er einem Freund sein Wort nicht geben wird um das sofort zu brechen. Ein Versprechen an mich oder Dich ist - wenigstens würde ich das so an seiner Stelle empfinden - eine ganz andere Sache als ein generelles Jain an die Horde. Prost Sorte Slyngel (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Formatting copy editing help

Hi.

Given that you know how to use this newfangled Personal Computer stuff, could I ask for your help on the article on the Hyperloop in making it look decent? On a somewhat related note, I vow to keep my promise, but edits like these make it not entirely clear to me as to where I can opine, given the topic seems to spread...

Best wishes, I'll be on the road for now and driving home for Christmas (well someone is doing the driving, not me) tomorrow, so I don't know when we'll talk again. If it ain't before the end of this year I say "Frohes Fest und guten Rutsch!" - Oh I almost forgot, what exactly do you celebrate? Christmas? Chanuka? Both? Neither? Anyway, have a good December and a nice Jahresendflpügelpuppe ;-)

Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 17:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and happy holidays to you, too. Chanukka is over already and I see what I'll do on New Years Eve. As for the Hyperloop article, it looks more or less OK already, but I think, I can tweak it a lil (e.g. the notes section).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:58, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Avengerofthe BoN

So, here's the deal, I've not had much exposure to your buddy Avenger (I've avoided anything to do with the Israel-Palestine fuckfest). However, -Mona- has strong objections to anybody letting Avenger out of the vandal bin. I looked into the objections, and they seemed like valid reasons to keep them in the vandal bin. However, I am willing to allow Avenger (and you by extension) to offer a defense; a good case as to why my letting them out of the vandal bin will result in them being a constructive editor and won't have me eating crow and the Wiki spinning into another Headless Chicken Mode. So, what are the reasons I should remove Avenger from the bin (and if you don't mind, please avoid turning this into an insult war with Mona)? Gooniepunk (talk) 10:21, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

A coupla weeks (or months, I dunno) topic ban on anything related to Israel, Palestine, Antisemitism and so on and (probably) a ban on communication with Mona (if she violates, she has to be sanctioned, too or else it's gonna be one-sided).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 10:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm working on drafting a formal proposal here, and will submit it to Mona and AotB when I'm done. If both parties will agree to it, then I will let AotB out of the vandal bin, under the knowledge that I will be keeping a closer eye on them for a time. Gooniepunk (talk) 21:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Pfft. I very seldom engage Avenger. For quite a while I've been 90% ignoring him. But, I respond to others regarding things he's said when I deem it useful to other readers. I have not misbehaved with him and do not need to be barred from anything because Arisboch, of all people, seeks some "parity." Arisboch is no longer acceptable to me, even less so than Avenger. He should know why.---Mona- (talk) 22:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

You saw her answer, Gooniepunk, so let's see, what Avenger says. When Mona's gonna bin him again, we'll simply take it to the Coop. Mona, the RW ain't your personal little BDS echo-chamber. If you wanna ban people due to them failing to be on line with your Hamas and Greenwald worship, go back to Twitter.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 22:24, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Arisboch, this is the last time I shall ever communicate with you. I have said here, several times, that it is rather common for ardent Zionists to behave without human decency. Previously, my first exhibit was the person who announced the hope that I was ill and that my children had taken out a Do Not Resuscitate order. You are now in first place. Your behavior is vile. Adieu.---Mona- (talk) 23:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Stating that you worship at the altar of Palestine and Greenwald is worse than hoping you die? That is being touchy. --Castaigne2 (talk) 23:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

The over-arching theme is that Mona has made substantive edits to mainspace, and sourced her contributions when appropriate. Avenger and Arisboch have had little to offer except dick-wagging and snide personal attacks. Alec Sanderson (talk) 23:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, well... Let's just say that recent events and moderator discussions have caused to to rescind the olive branch extended to Avenger. That's all the more detail I want to go into right now, but Arisboch knows or should know damn well why. Gooniepunk (talk) 23:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Castaigne2, there are matters involved I shall not be discussing here.---Mona- (talk) 23:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

And there is no need to. I have been made aware of various threads in other places. Your animosity towards Arisboch is on those matters is...not unfounded.

Oooo, and a permablock is now issued. Sassy. --Castaigne2 (talk) 00:04, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't carry much weight, but I have said I'd take Avenger's case to the coop in January. Is there anything preventing me from doing that? I will have to present whatever I say without anger or malice, but I can manage that. The question is, will that hearing be conducted coolly or just thrown out? I hardly believe the latter and in any case the new moderators should have been elected, so we have more heads. I have a feeling there won't be many to argue that case in Avenger's favor, and for me it would require some historical study of Avenger's contributions. He writes so much that it is impossible to keep count without making it a serious study, but many users write a lot, good and bad. As I'm still a „citizen“ here for lack of a better word, I believe I would get a fair hearing. So, Gooniepunk and possibly other moderators who read this, is that just an exercise in futility or can we have a discussion about Avenger's „permablock“ as it was called above. I at least have the right to speak, I think, provided it's level-headed and to the point. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 01:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Ryu also has made many good edits. But his liabilities very much outweighed his status as an asset, so he's binned. Ditto for Avenger.---Mona- (talk) 02:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

You are free to argue on Avenger's behalf come January. I don't have much skin in that game and would really like to see a community-based decision, rather than an unfamiliar moderator-based decision, come from that one. Gooniepunk (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2015 (UTC)