Talk:Sandy Hook massacre

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Curious

I am curious to see how long until the Westboro baptists feature in a tragedy as the starring victims. Did they never learn that you do not taunt something that can come over and bite you ? Hamster (talk) 04:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I believe that there should be some discussion on the conspiracy theorist's idea that this was a false flag op. I am particularly interested in the debunking of such ideas. 173.212.75.111 (talk) 01:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't let us stop you. Theory of Practice "Now we stand outcast and starving 'mid the wonders we have made." 01:34, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

conspiracy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL4pREERbcA No kids killed, all a fraud for gun control Hamster (talk) 05:30, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, because people behaving awkwardly on national television in a time of shock is obviously too far-fetched an explanation. Rather, a similarity of names between a shooting, a natural disaster, and a frame from a Batman movie is conclusive evidence that demons are controlling the media. Wehpudicabok (talk) 06:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Another anti-semitic reason for the "cause" of Sandy Hook shooting.

Is that Adam Lanza was half/fully Jewish (via ethnicity) and that this somehow caused him to go on a rampage. http://heloise8.wordpress.com/2012/12/15/lanza-is-an-ethnic-italian-jewish-name/ Most who perpetuate this conspiracy theory often link to this page as "proof": http://www.italian-family-history.com/jewish/Sicilia.html 68.46.42.9 (talk) 17:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory partly debunked

Conspiracy theories have pointed towards Sandy Hook being in the film, but also claim that the word AURORA can be read on one of the skyscrapers in the film. However, that secobnd claim is untrue, it's not featured in the Batman movie, but in the movie 'Skyfall'. ^{— Unsigned, by: Vickstick / talk / contribs} 08:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

It's the Aurora Plaza, one of the distinctive buildings of the Hong Kong skyline. I don't have a copy of the film to check, but enough sources are saying that it appears in the first few seconds of DKR for this to be credible (& not that remarkable, since it's likely to be visible in pretty much any aerial shot of HK skyscrapers). It's not at all surprising if it appears in Skyfall too. Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Fetzer

I see that James Fetzer's name has been redlinked. Do you think he deserves an article? (He has one on Wikipedia - wp:James H. Fetzer.) He's into JFK, 9/11 and the Moon landing, and apparently, any other "breaking news". He's been also mentioned in the Moontruth.com article.--ZooGuard (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Why not? Ty^talk 21:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Definitely. It's quite astounding that a man who has written books on logic and the philosophy of science can buy into conspiracy nonsense. Astounding, sad and (for those of us who care about the discipline of philosophy) depressing. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes, Jim "Uncle" Fetzer -- definitely deserving of an article. He did a lot of work in cognitive science and philosophy of AI/philosophy of science before going off the deep end over a decade ago. Screw Loose Change has an entire category for him. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 21:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Adam Lanza dying before the shooting.

I heard this conspiracy theory that Adama Lanza actually died the day before the shooting. They actually are making a tribute to him. Supyloco (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Not sure who "they" are, but this seems to be a common suggestion in Sandy Hook conspiracy theories: he shot his mom & himself the day before, but his corpse was used by authorities in a cover up for the real killers at the school / there weren't any real killers etc. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

There's this silly idea that because Lanza was listed as having died the day before the shooting that it means he was actually dead when the massacre was going on. Of course it could be that it was just a simple clerical error(s) among the SSDI and various record-keeping organizations. This happens so often in the government and corporate world as to be the butt of jokes (especially in conservative circles). 68.46.42.9 (talk) 17:59, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

A difficult subject but a well written article

The article has over 30 references none of which are on wikipedia, that's easily enough for a bronze rating. I know the subject is marred with controversy, most of the article is just reactions to the tragedy, however those reactions very effectively discredit those who made the statements. Rational wiki is often called a form of ammunition for winning arguments, and unfortunately there's plenty of that in this article. Most rational wiki users know the Westboro Baptist church pickets the funerals of soldiers, however this article shows just how disgustingly low they will go. I will be adding these references to the appropriate pages to further discredit those who made these statements.. Amateur Encyclopedist (talk) 22:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Because number of references have nothing to do with article quality.--Miekal 22:36, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I will remember that and instead use how detailed the analysis of the subject is and how much of that is not on the wikipedia page as the 2 key criteria. I've seen bronze articles with as little as 6 references that are still very detailed and have unique information. Amateur Encyclopedist (talk) 23:24, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

You dop realize that there is a set of logic behind what does and doesnt, right? ill let you fiond the article though, if you care so muchj about the ratings--Miekal 23:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

This might be the first time a conspiracy theorist could have a good point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYUbqd5gaPs

I find this video pretty interesting.--174.25.18.37 (talk) 09:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Scream!! (talk) 10:30, 1 October 2014 (UTC)