Talk:School shooting

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The quote at the beginning of the article

Marilyn Manson did not actually mean the shooters, he meant the victims and their families. Please correct this, I can't because this article has been protected. --2001:14BB:80:344:A148:BD28:A30E:838A (talk) 19:11, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Superstition

Shouldn't it be worth mentioning that governments spend thousands of dollars tearing down buildings after these events, and why? Part of it is because of bad memories... for people who will mostly be gone in four years anyway, but there's undoubtedly a superstition factor. Fear of ghosts and other bullshit. Coffee lover (talk) 11:24, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

"Assault rifle"

AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-automatic rifles; an assault rifle is a fully automatic rifle. Please change that part. --37.219.96.248 (talk) 17:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

West Nickel Mines School

Why no mention of the shooting at West Nickle Mines School, which was performed by an antithiest? 2607:FB90:926C:7D54:0:10:2968:5401 (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

How do you know he was an anti-theist? After going through old articles it appears that there are conflicted reports as to the shooter's beliefs. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 21:34, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Covenant School

Why is the article not expanded upon? Not a wingnut, nor am I right wing, it’s just that i don’t understand why the Covenant school shooting isn’t that expanded upon. It just explains that a shooting happened and immediately goes to the political beliefs regarding the school’s Christian status. Why no mention of the shooter’s motive or mental state? I believe some leaks of their manifesto have been revealed as well

Also the shooter was white but called the kids “crackers with white privilege” I think a mention of their mental state would be beneficial to the article ^{— Unsigned, by: 86.19.189.99 / talk / contribs}

Only select pages were released, by conservative activists (Steven Crowder's company if I recall correctly), and it's conceivable they selected which pages to release in order to curate a narrative. Chillpilled (talk) 19:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Rationalwiki is small and that's the problem with listicles like the one in the article - editing occurs only sporadically and things get out of date. There's nothing about the Oxford High School shooting in 2021 right now, which is notable in a sense (maybe not a RW sense though) because this is the first school shooting I know of where the parents of the perpetrator were charged and convicted for involuntary manslaughter.

Most school shootings that I know of do not involve any culture war elements and based on what the police have reported on the Covenant shooting (describing the documents as "rambling") I would be cautious to assign any culture war fueled narrative as certain reactionaries have, in spite of some known incendiary excerpts. I do not believe that the Nashville police have determined a motive yet. Nashville police are going to be a much more reliable source here than Steven Crowder. BobJohnson (talk) 19:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

If we want to have a comprehensive list of school shootings, that should probably be its own article. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 20:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

'notable'

this article does not need nor should it ever need an exhaustive list of 'notable' schools shootings, not least that this wiki needs another forever expanding list like a hole in the end.

there is also the question of 'notable' here. notable how? for sure all school shootings are notable, especially if you've been unfortunate enough to have been affected by one. lets coloumbine is notable for being one of 'first' us one since the era of 24hr news coverage. i thought it was first school shooting of note, period, but i am horrified to learn that is not the case. that i did not know thus says something about notability in itself. its had so much scrutiny, with so much dedicated too precisely because of that. it was notable, because it was an extremely rare but extremely tragic event. it got everyones attention worldqwide. tragically, every us school shooting since becomes less and less notable, but no less extremely tragic, becoming horribly more common than anyone should be comfortable with, with the now dreadfully routine hand wringing of the gun control debate with the dreadfully routine outcome of achieving zero change or legislature that has not expired or rolled back. appallingly the only thing notable about us school schootings since columbine is the evolution of the conspiracy theories and the industry thats grown around them, from the almost quaint othering of the shooters at columbine to try to make sense of a meaningless loss of innocent lives, to the grotesque shenanigans of alex ones hounding of victims familys as 'crisis actors', and, thank heaven for small mercies, jones' eventual comeuppance. beyond an analysis of the reactions to school shootings, or why they occur with such frequency in the us in comparison with the rest of world, there is no purpose in listing every single shooting that has occurred in the us. if there were just copy and paste the list from wikipedia then job done with as little effort as there is value added. there certainly is no good reason to go into any detail on each and every shooting, no reason to go into any real depth on most of them. not least because what have at present doesnt explain why specific shooting are notable at all, but even with the bare minimum of information presented on each, the bare minimum is the names of the perpetrators and their kill count. we risk sensationalising these horrible events, like murder porn, memorialising murderers, letting them live on in the infamy that in part drove them kill while the victims are nameless and forgotten except to their devastated families.

the school shootings that occurred outside of the us are different. they are all incredibly notable in their own countries for reasons that have made us shootings - there rarity. they are genuinely one off freak occurrences in their localities. again, the actual details of them are not what makes them notable in the context of this article - they do not merit a long detailed and in depth analysis of unspeakably tragic events. they only become notable here in contrast the a shootings that took place in the us. individually, each of these shootings, where ever they took place are horribly similar, from the shooters, how they went about it, the immediate shock and horror as events unfolded, the recriminations and unanswerable questioning why? you look at on shooting and its broadly similar to another else where at another time. specifics might vary, but fundamentally the same. what is notable about those non us example is the genuine rarity of them in their countries as opposed to the frequency that they happen in the us, and the reactions to them and what was done about them. the relative rarity of the non us shooting makes it difficult for any kind of industry to form around the conspiracy theories them. there is no opportunity for the theories to evolve over time, few if any other similar events to link it that instil in the general population a sense of inevitability about them, of history repeating, that could be exploited con theorists and grifters. they remain a shocking but thankfully rare freak occurrence. compare and contrast to the us... also notable is the legislation drafted and enacted in response to a shooting, that is shockingly absent in the us. compare and contrast the us and its criminal inaction, to dunblane in scotland that led to a rapid and total ban on handguns, not time limited in any way or watered down or challenged and still in fact today.

we dont need more endless lists. we dont need another list that doesnt really illuminate in any real way the subject of the article. we dont need the weighting issues that arise from the arbitrary and significant differences in length and breadth of entries. consider what makes each entry notable. does it to be specifically need to be discussed at length under its entry in this list or can it be discussed elsewhere in the article, providing a better overview and analysis of the issues involved together with reference to other cases, avoided the disjointed analysis resulting from examining each shooting individually, not easily connecting with those same issues occurring in another example.

if a particular warrants a real deep dive in depth analysis, consider a separate article, but not here. not another unending list. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)