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Can we not...[edit]

Can we please not have arguments about how whether or not this is a hate page that exists just because he's a conservative vlogger? I mean, this is a guy that conflates Trans-acceptance with climate change - he's a verifiable nutter regardless of who he votes for.-- Forerunner (talk) 19:57, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm aware my argument with User:Christopher, and the far-less sane pal tagging along, are more to do with a completely off-topic debate. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

"Edit Wars"[edit]

Says page needs to be bigger, cries foul when page is bigger (lmao)

Never mind my account of his interactions with Dr. Patrick Moore (PhD Ecology), never mind the glaring logical errors, such as putting Comedy in quotations, nor the glaring misuse of the word 'irony' (This isn't even an 'our opinion vs yours' situation, the rationality just isn't there).

Just undo an hour of edits, which I thought were pretty 'Fair and Balanced', why don't you.— Unsigned, by: Waifu4Laifu / talk / contribs

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Delaney Rohan?[edit]

"Steeped in bigotry and violent humiliation, the point of most of the clips seems clear: Liberalism is a threatening pathology in need of urgent, punitive exterminationβ€”by whatever means are at hand." As much as I despise Crowder and think he can be an asshole and an imbecile, the last part of the quote (cited above) seems to suggest that he is a genocidal maniac. Looking at the reference article, I don't know that the author is more distinguished than the typical editor of any wiki, revealing the quote to be an impuissant persuasion. I would clip off the part about punitive extermination, just to be on the safe side.Ariel31459 (talk) 00:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie The quote makes him sound like a Gestapo officer. He is a shitty comedian and a right-wing asshole. I am certain he is not frightening (to me at least).Ariel31459 (talk) 22:24, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
@Ariel31459 I think that rather than clipping the quote we should add the paragraph that precedes it from the article. This gives the quote context, so rather than sounding like he's a monster or some such he instead is revealed to possess a rather twisted sense of humor. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

change my mind[edit]

Rather a lot of these now. β€” Dysk (contribs) 22:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm wondering why this idea isn't more wide-spread? As a concept 'change my mind' sound like wonderful idea. Or am I wrong? (talk) 12:47, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

It's a meme, in reality it's rather hard to change someone's mind once they're dead set convinced on something, even when presented with evidence that is contrary to their assertions. β€” Oxyaena Harass 12:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
True. Yet not impossible. Isn't changing even one mind (for the better, hopefully) worth it? (talk) 06:50, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I just watched Daryl Davis on Joe Rogan. Talking to people you disagree seems pretty worth it. (talk) 06:46, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Crowder promotes harassment[edit]

Twitter thread is a depressing read. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Definitely should be added to the page. Taberone (talk) 20:05, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
YouTube is also fine having this kind of content on their site:
Basically, Crowder making racist jokes and being a racist shithead. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 22:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Whoever wrote this has never watched a Steven Crowder video[edit]

That opening quote completely misrepresents Crowder's views. Not sure why my extremely reasonable edit was deemed Spam? But I'm new here so... I clarified that Crowder consistently speaks out against violence, discourages doxing, and is NOT a White Supremicist, Neo-Nazi or Alt-Right person. And putting comedy in quotes? All that passive aggressive stuff is just dumb. I would like to put my edits back in there, as I don't think it's your mission to misrepresent someone just because you don't agree with them.--LogicalLiberal (talk) 00:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Which edit? Link it. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
If you mean this edit, then I'll be blunt, it's crap. Nothing more than an unsourced digital blowjob. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
And it's not the first one by a longshot. So, ell oh ell. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:55, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Steven Crowder's evil, reprehensible friendships/associations[edit]

There is one remark in this obviously disparaging hitpiece of an article that stood out to me:

"In reality, Crowder is passionately pro-Israel and opposes antisemitism,[38][39][40][41] despite him originally having good buddy and occasional substitute host Owen Benjamin being a fucking Holocaust denier and straight-up Neo-Nazi who he only cut ties with after Benjamin told him the Moon landing was a hoax."

So basically what you're saying is that Crowder should be held morally responsible for not taking more initiative in burning the bridge with Owen Benjamin for his apparent neo-nazism. Does this mean that I can hold this wiki responsible for all the anarchists, communists, marxists, and other radical leftists who use it? There's a user in this very talk page with the hammer and sickle in this name (could be just joking about it but still).

Or does this standard magically not apply to the left-wing? -- (talk) 03:57, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

No, it’s not just about Crowder having been palling around with a Neo-Nazi Holocaust denier, but that it was apparently the moon hoaxing, not the Neo-Nazism that was the deal breaker in this relation. That should be pretty obvious from the wording. Also, cut out with the whataboutism and false equivalence, will ya’? ScepticWombat (talk) 14:18, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Mmkay, well I'm just going to take your response as an admission that no, you don't hold the left-wing to that standard. And it's not a fucking false equivalence. This guy is clearly a user of this website, and the faceless hack who runs it has the opportunity to disavow him but doesn't. Again, he could be joking about being a commie, but I doubt you'd be charitable with me if I jokingly had Pepe The Frog in my username. — Unsigned, by: 2001:56A:F90C:B300:7042:35CD:DCB1:D7D3 / talk
I mean it helps that I mock the Soviets a lot, support increased power to the common man, and generally punch up in my humor. Weird how neo-nazis don't really do any of that. It's also weird how you completely ignored @ScepticWombat's point in order to make a whataboutist ad hominem attack on someone who wasn't part of the conversation... Weird that. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
What point? Holocaust denial and moon-landing denial are both batshit insane positions. Does it really matter that much which one Crowder chose to disavow him over?
Furthermore, this article doesn't even cite any evidence that Crowder knew he was a neo-nazi yet didn't do anything. Is he supposed to keep close tabs of every single position of everyone he knows? Of course not, that's retarded. -- (talk) 01:37, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Not really. It's called basic self awareness and research. It takes about an hour. But I personally don't blame Crowder for palling around with neo-nazis, after all, he is one. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I mean if I had to disavow someone for his beliefs, Neo-Nazism would be a quicker withdraw than moon landing hoax given the former's immediate toxicity. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:55, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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Polish the opening?[edit]

"Steven Crowder (1987–) is a professional asshole, commentator and self-described comedian who supports conservative and libertarian views." Is the "professional asshole" part a quote from Crowder himself, or is it just RationalWiki editors throwing in their two cents, like when they call his site a "webshite"? I am a Christian, and while I am disappointed at his BatteredLesbians.orgΒ website (it looks like a real charity website at first, but clicking on "Donate" leads to him smirking and shilling for Mug Club memberships), I support his right to free speech. Disagree with you must, but I don't believe that the best way to counter Crowder's work (positions, arguments, and at times name-calling) is with more name-calling.

Also, why does it say "1987–" instead of "born July 7, 1987"? It feels off to use an undetermined range. --LABcrab (talk) 00:48, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

the date of birth format is standard style here and templates. and crowder is infact a professional asshole. pls respect our right to free speech. EK (talk) 12:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)