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As far as foreign-language articles on RationalWiki go, it might be a good idea not to permit articles in a certain language unless we have at least one bureaucrat who is fluent in that language.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX17:17, 19 January 2011

Is this groundhog day, or was this discussed before? Just wondering.

Idiot numbre 188 (talk)17:23, 19 January 2011

So, do you think, that I must to stop writing? Or what you are talking about?

Bertran (talk)18:13, 19 January 2011

As you could see by, for example, automatic translators, almost all my work is translation of already existing English article. And, also, anyone can verify the content of Russian articles by using automatic translators. So, I think, that there is no problem in writing of Russian articles.

Bertran (talk)18:15, 19 January 2011

Leaving aside for a minute the fact that automated translators are known for their poor quality, having an automated translator on hand is not quite the same as having a fluent bureaucrat who can keep watch over the articles.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX18:24, 19 January 2011

Do these Russian articles serve any purpose? Why are they even here?

DickTurpis (talk)18:27, 19 January 2011

They serve the purpose of letting Russian monoglots read them, obviously, which is fine, as long as we are assured that we can verify what they say.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX18:30, 19 January 2011

Google translate.

-- Nx / talk18:30, 19 January 2011

I will repeat: Automated translators are known for their poor quality.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX18:39, 19 January 2011

So? You don't need a quality translation to know if it's parody or not.

-- Nx / talk18:41, 19 January 2011

Google translator is not so bad, as you described it.

Bertran (talk)18:49, 19 January 2011
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Last edit: 11:54, 20 January 2011

Кроме того, машинный перевод может легко быть упорядочен. (translation cleaned up)
Also, machine translation can easily be cleaned up.

Myrtonos@21:42, 19 January 2011

There is only one inexactitude: "be cleaned up" actually means "быть упорядочен", not "быть вымыт" ("быть вымыт" = "be washed down").

Bertran (talk)22:00, 19 January 2011

I would think that having some of the important articles in foreign languages would do more to further RW's mission than 90% of the stuff that's in mainspace now does -- seems like a good idea to me.

Benod (talk)18:35, 19 January 2011

If we're going to have articles in foreign languages it seems to make sense to do it the Wikipedia way and have separate projects for them. Otherwise RW is going to turn into a chaotic tower of Babel.

DickTurpis (talk)18:48, 19 January 2011

This is planned in the future. On other hand, it's inappropriate to make separate domains for only 5-10 articles, isn't it?

Bertran (talk)18:53, 19 January 2011

I like the idea of separate projects. Let the users of ru.rationalwiki establish their own articles, materials, guidelines, and policies. If the RationalWiki Foundation feel they have strived too far from the mission they can have their name and domain revoked.

- π12:18, 20 January 2011

I like this idea.

Bertran (talk)13:58, 20 January 2011

You say "users" as if there were more than one.

DickTurpis (talk)15:25, 20 January 2011

See Category:Русскоязычные_участники. All of them have Russian as native language.

Bertran (talk)15:29, 20 January 2011

I'm not sure we can really count a guy who made 5 edits, all to his user and talk pages. The dozen edits of the other guy don't really make a strong case either. I think ADK is right and it is a bit of a chicken/egg situation. If the drive is there maybe we should start a namespace? Not sure how that's done, to be honest.

DickTurpis (talk)18:43, 20 January 2011

Yes. If it is in fact due to the many difficulties (especially far from the objectives of the project), I can just stop my own activity. Honestly, my first idea (before my registration on RW) was to create separate project with similar mission on free wiki-like website. But after this I decided to join RW, because in separate project I had to do much work (of organizational, etc. character), that was not directly related to the observation and analysis evolution-creation controversy and other pseudoscientific movement.

But if are there some problems with new domain, I can return to my own project. If you think, that it would be better to remain RW being in only English, I'll understand it, and I'll finish my activity. Unfortunately, I don't know English sufficiently well to make contribution onto English articles.

Bertran (talk)19:17, 20 January 2011

Continue with your work. If there is enough material, the separate domains are worth it.

There are other ways around it if the other domains are too much. Namespaces, essayspace, etc.

Scarlet A.pngsshole20:15, 20 January 2011

Yes, please feel free to continue your work - and to link to it on outside sites. This way, you can attract other Russian-speaking contributors and reach the critical mass of users necessary for a separate domain.

ZooGuard (talk)20:20, 20 January 2011

2 ADK, ZooGuard

Ok. So I'll continue. Thank you for supporting. And, by the way, there are some people, who, as they said, are ready to join project in the near future. E.g., user:Vitus is one of them. Furthermore, I think, in the future ru-project can attract much more attention because of the large creationist expansion of the Russian-language Internet.

Bertran (talk)21:41, 20 January 2011

Nx and I have discussed this on another page. Essentially it's described as a chicken and egg situation. We can't justify the effort of specific language sites without users but we can't attract the users without specific language sites.

The demand and drive from a small group is there, however.

Scarlet A.pngsshole16:38, 20 January 2011