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Welcome to RationalWiki DickTurips! - Icewedge 15:15, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

hello and welcome to RW.--Bob_M (talk) 02:57, 3 August 2007 (CDT)
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humanbe in 11:31, 3 August 2007 (CDT)


Your UXBs gave me my daily dose of lulz, thank you :) humanbe in 19:55, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. Glad you like them. I encourage people to steal them, if they desire. At WP I'm rather anti-userbox, and have only used about two I made as parodies, but here I decided to go whole hog. DickTurpis 19:58, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
Hey, no offense, but I prefer to keep conv. on one page (wherever it starts) so I copied your reply here. Anyway, you should save them (as template:user:foobar or something like that, I'm sure you know how) and add them to our lists (follow the link from the main page for the lists we have). I'm sure many goats users would appreciate readymade access to them. ...still chuckling quietly to myself... Ooh, you used my scotch photo! Kewl... that reminds me... I'll be back in a few with my spelling and language usage impaired somewhat.. humanbe in 20:07, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
Actually, I don't know how. I've never really bothered with userboxen. Or even templates or categories really. At least, not in terms of making my own. But if you have any urge to, go ahead and save them however or wherever you like. I've become a little uncertain about the Linus box; I didn't realize until a minute ago there was a User:Linus here. I just like the cartoon character. I think I might join you (in spirit) with that drink. DickTurpis 20:19, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
1. Don't worry about Linus, he won't be offended. It's actually funnier because of him. 2. Go here to see our lists. You already know how to format uxben, obviously. Follow the links and you'll see how they are "saved". You smart person I trust and can copy wiki markups. 3. One of our editors (our resident vandal, a CP sysop, and a very interesting person) has brought up the issue of your "reagan" uxb on my talk page (my comments are there). While I first thought "wow, that's frikkin edgy", I then laughed. But maybe, just maybe, you might not want to save that one as a template. Of course, I would defend your doing so, I am just responding in a sensitive, pre-drunk way to his concerns. 4. Uh... ok, if you need clearer instructions on how to "save" your uxbs, ask and I'll add it to the file I linked above (computerz are so kewl!). Cheerz!!!! humanbe in 21:27, 10 August 2007 (CDT)
Fantastic userboxes. A hoot. I have to steal some.--Bob_M (talk) 15:08, 11 August 2007 (CDT)
Having been to Human's talk page I see that there is some debate over the Reagan one. It's a bit close to the edge - but I won't object to it. --Bob_M (talk) 15:12, 11 August 2007 (CDT)

My word! Aint I the higgerant one? I'd completely forgotten about the event. Tis a wee bit un-nice but who said userpages had to be nice. Keep15:42, 11 August 2007 (CDT)


Your userboxes are awesome. (As for the Nazi analogies... um, which Nazi was the fat one, again? I think Ed Poor should be the fat Nazi.) --Marty 22:25, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. The fat one is Goering, currently RobS, but he's been gone for more than half a year, so it's probably time to write him off. I think Ed works just as well, if not better, actually. Bugler might make a better Goebbels. Thanks for the idea. DickTurpis 23:36, 19 August 2008 (EDT)


What about the vast majority of the world who are not atheists? What about the agnostics? Bohdan 15:17, 28 August 2007 (CDT)

Don't take these comments overly seriously. Sure, one can be rational and religious, though I maintain that a scpetical atheism is the most rational line of thought. I'm just having some fun at Terry's expense. DickTurpis 15:20, 28 August 2007 (CDT)
Ahhh, I see. Carry on then. Bohdan 15:21, 28 August 2007 (CDT)


Hmm.. comment withdrawn? Odd. DogP 15:45, 4 September 2007 (CDT)


I found out by accident that if you're using firefox and hit reload whilst holding down the shift key it'll up the "page accessed" numbers, (clears the cache or somesuch), (okay we all knew that already),but you don't have to wait for it to actually reload. As fast as your stubby index finger can click reload it counts as a new hit. CЯacke® 22:26, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Cool. I didn't know that. Unfortuantely I don't have forefox on my computer anymore (somehow it deleted itself or something). I'm getting a new computer tomorrow and I'll load it on that and give it a try. Like the Beatles, "Law Terms D" will be more popular than Jesus? DickTurpis 22:29, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
One day, soon, perhaps. CЯacke® 22:31, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
There. By nearly 10K too. CЯacke® 22:33, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
What's the odds on delete/recreate in next 24 hours? Susantalk to me 22:45, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
Right.CЯacke® 22:54, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Mm. I didn't really want to mention it here - they're worse than pinto for always watching. Susantalk to me 23:01, 22 September 2007 (EDT)


Why don't you just IM Schultz or TK and ask? 13:40, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Daily Show[edit]

In How did you find CP?, you said you heard about it on the Daily Show. Did that episode have Lewis Black on it? If so, I've seen that one. That was after I had already known about CP, though. YB indeed! 12:50, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Ban Watch.....[edit]

Turpis, it was my own additon I struck through! Try to read the diffs, okay? Jeeze..... --Иight¤Ṭrain ♦Τalk ǃ 03:34, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

team name suggestion[edit]

I suggest you call your fine outfit the "Creation Earth Youngsters", so we at the Gigglesnorters know who we're gonna whup. PS, I scored Tony Terry Francona as manager! humanUser talk:Human 20:25, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, while you're scorin' up our teams, can you put the scores in the table at conservapedia:Team Contest three signed, too lazy to do it myself, humanUser talk:Human 14:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

You are quick on teh trigger[edit]

Nicely done!-αmεσ (tinker) 01:13, 23 November 2007 (EST)


Beautiful use of W.H. Auden on the "What is going on at CP" page. --Horace 01:14, 27 November 2007 (EST)


I feel I have added lots of useful information to the article, and thanks for your suggestion. DogP 13:56, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Damn! Reverted! All is lost! DogP 18:35, 30 December 2007 (EST)


Care to join our little party? --Linus(plot evil tech) 13:35, 9 February 2008 (EST)


Mop and bucket are on the right, broom and pan to the left. Knock yourself out!

See also: RationalWiki:Sysop guide. humanUser talk:Human 22:18, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Eh, Dick (can I call you that?), I think you should refrain from using decimals in block lenghts. I mean, you blocked me at 4:20 for approximately 2.718 minutes, but at 4:23, the block was somehow still in effect. I also tried blocking Human, but the system said he was still blocked, twenty minutes after his block of 3.14159265 seconds should've expired. So yah, no decimals. The wiki is also starting to act funny (to lay an unfair guilt trip on you), but that may or may not be you. :-) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:42, 9 February 2008 (EST)

My sincere condolences on your demotion. CЯacke® 00:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Condolences offered, for chores accumulated, you clumsy ox. humanUser talk:Human 01:00, 10 February 2008 (EST)

CP analogies[edit]

Those are hilarious, you should copy it to the CP namespace and flesh it out a bit. Finally, analogies I "get" - it helps that you explained them, too! humanUser talk:Human 18:13, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Glad you like them. Some of them are too perfect but some are not so great. I never did find quite the right Ribbentrop, but I think Streicher/Conservative is right on. Deciding exactly who was Himmler, Heydrich, and Bormann was tricky. TK was Bormann at his best when he used to dismissively answer questions Andy was asked on his talk page (usually by newbies). I came up with most of these after reading a book on the Nuremberg Trials. Good read. DickTurpis 18:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

son of chucky[edit]

i thought of exactly the same "cold, dead hand..." joke. but, i guess, it is in somewhat bad taste. i don't care enough to argue with the mob though. airdish 09:41, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, it wasn't in good taste, exactly, I admit. Had I been stone cold sober I may not have posted it. I don't view it as an attack, however, just a quip. Someone once described me as the one who says what everyone else is thinking. This is probably an example of that. DickTurpis 09:55, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
Heh, yeah, just reading main talk I just knew what your joke had to be. We ripped on Falwell when he died, but he was truly a monster. Heston at least was a decent actor, and didn't exactly "run" the NRA -- the NRA being the only thing one could really hold against him (sorry, sqwirl). I guess he was a conservative too, but he just wasn't that bad of guy to not get his due "week of silent respect" upon ceasing metabolism. JMHO. — Unsigned, by: Human / talk / contribs
Now that he has ceased metabolism, will he be interred in a gathering of the terminally disabled? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:15, 7 April 2008 (EDT)
They might just burn him up and scatter him in the wind, Mr. Red Links to Make Lame Joke. humanUser talk:Human 02:04, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh hai![edit]

Sorry about the time lapse, I missed your question. You appear to have used a <small> tag, or the like, and not added a </small> after you were done with it. --Linus(plot evil tech) 21:26, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Although I'm a bit hard-pressed to locate it… --Linus(plot evil tech) 21:31, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
Me, of all people, logic-minded that I am, having little experience programming, haz fixed it. You're welcome. Turns out there were THREE missing tags. Lyra § talk 00:32, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
My apologies for my blindness. :( --Linus(plot evil tech) 09:15, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
Thanks, both of you. The page looks better now. The small font was bothering me. DickTurpis 10:02, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
That's what I'm here for. --Linus(plot evil tech) 12:18, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

How does it feel to be defeated in a debate?[edit]

How does it feel to be defeated in a debate? NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 12:33, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

NightFlare, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already? When you've dug a hole as deep as you have, stop digging! DickTurpis 12:39, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Please blather on someone else's talk page. Thank you. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 12:42, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
NightFlare is, by this stroke of logical genius, declared the winner! SusanG  ContribsTalk 13:01, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Don't be under the illusion that you have made a convincing point, Susan. One of the greatest debaters and Ken apologists, Robert Turkel, has described NightFlare as "a man who has never won a debate," and yet he is considered one of the greatest debaters on the pro-Ed-idiocy side of the argument! What does that say about the others who cast their votes for Ed Poor? Furthermore noted debater Elephant Scroteman has pointed out that Ed-voters give 76% less money to charity than those who vote for Ken. I, however, will not debate someone such as NightFlare who has no credentials. If the reanimated corpse of Albert Einstein were to appear, or perhaps HAL 9000, that might be someone worthy of debating me! But I will not waste my time with NightFlare. No websites run by men with doctorates link to his userpage, nor does a award winning author. Why should I waste my valuable time with such a person? DickTurpis 13:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Because, unlike 99.9999994375% of the planet's population, he's willing to talk to you? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
"This donut thinks Ed is the biggest idiot on CP" ħumanUser talk:Human 00:52, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I have a very important Talk page posting for you[edit]

It seems the votes are being manipulated! Genghis claims he is voting for Ed, but he clearly says, and I quote, "Ken is just stupid". Now in my world, Stupid=Idiot, therefore, I think it is clear that Genghis is actually voting for Ken. I think dark forces have manipulated him and forced his hand into a convenient ballot box at the last moment. The Ed camp is known to be a powerful can read my thinking. We need to do something! I'm going to start by making myself a cocktail! DogP 20:39, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

This issue will be noted by wiki-historians as the one that finally tore RationalWiki asunder, under the weight of voluminous campaigning, propaganda, "paid for" advertisements, and much wikilawyering. Mark my words! ħumanUser talk:Human 22:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Ooh, that sounds good. Should we call Hans Johnson? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:43, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Please adopt my poor, starved, abandoned page[edit]

I created Conservapedia:Awards for people to give small tokens of (un)appreciation to the various figures at Conservapedia. Now, I created this page on a whim, and don't keep up with events at Conservapedia much, so I would greatly appreciate it if someone like yourself would "adopt" it for me. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:53, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. I'll see what I can do with it. DickTurpis 17:17, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Less experience the better[edit]

Truly, if it was possible I would promote all the people who have never heard of Wikis but alas... tmtoulouse persecute 23:04, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

What's a wiki? DickTurpis 23:05, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
Cept he is a sysops. tmtoulouse persecute 00:21, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
I though as much...
But I have the power to change that now.......hmmmmmmm.......... DickTurpis 00:29, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
Meh, we only do that to Bohdan though. tmtoulouse persecute 00:31, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Quentin Tarantino fan?[edit]

Yes? No? tmtoulouse persecute 00:39, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, a bit, but that's not entirely what I was going for. Not too far off though, now that I think about it. DickTurpis 00:41, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
In my head, after I finished reading your pledge, lots of gun fire occurred. tmtoulouse persecute 00:45, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Scareface? 00:48, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
You know, after much accusations about my manhood, I finally downloaded all the classic gangster/mob movies that I had never seen. Just so I could be cool in parties. Scarface was the most disappointing to me. tmtoulouse persecute 00:50, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Me too. Not a great movie. Anyway, I believe the "you:DEAD. Your family: DEAD. Your house: BURNT to the ground" is a paraphrase of DeNiro as Capone in The Untouchables, though it's been a long time since I've seen it. DickTurpis 00:53, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
The best gangster movie of that specific genre (and by that I mean post-Godfather, f-bomb laden, ultra-violent killfest) is Goodfellahs. Classic. DickTurpis 00:55, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
I did enjoy Goodfellahs, The Untouchables, I did not download that. I shall fix that now. tmtoulouse persecute 00:58, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
As I said, it's been a while, but I did like it. Capone's baseball speech might be the highlight. The speech about wanting Ness and his family dead is good as well (the bit about the grave is all me, though). DickTurpis 01:02, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Triangular Trade[edit]

Is there a particular page/thread I should be looking at? I've noticed that the Talk pages for the AH lectures have been erased & locked. --SpinyNorman 16:45, 28 August 2008 (EDT)


Now, why would you want to be called Dick? Is your full name Richard? You can be called Rick and avoid being called a pseudonym for penis. Kix, they're not just for kids~ 09:42, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Pseudonym for penis? I'm sorry, you've completely lost me there. DickTurpis 10:04, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
You aren't familiar with that most worn-out of penis euphemisms, "dick"? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 21:41, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
"Richard" is one too! Kix, they're not just for kids~ 21:48, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
No. I don't follow. DickTurpis 01:14, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
Maybe it's because you're a girl!!! Or perhaps even gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dick dick dick dick dick!!! (haha, I had a funzy on ur talk page!) ħumanUser talk:Human 01:19, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
Dick (see 1st definition)
Richard (see 3rd definition)
Kix, they're not just for kids~ 16:57, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
What is this "genitals" you speak of? DickTurpis 09:11, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Here you go![edit]

Conservapedia:Barack Obama comparison. I should point out, I am also thrown by the odd code for this side-by-side thing, so it needs a bit of love and care before it'll look right. New3.pngPink(Disclaimer) 16:24, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks! That was fast. I'm sure some of the techies here will polish it up for us. I'll fiddle with it now. DickTurpis 16:24, 7 October 2008 (EDT)


Watch who you're blocking, buddy! :) Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 16:11, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Aw, that was cold... Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 17:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)


I was doing some catch up on my watchlist and saw you tell Kektklik you have a favorite watering spot in Troy. Are you from upstate? I grew up in Delmar (other side of the river, just south of Albany). Jrssr5 09:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Yeah, I live around there. I know Delmar, vaguely, and I'm sure I've been through it at some point. You still in that area or have you moved on? DickTurpis 10:07, 26 November 2008 (EST)
My parents and brother are still there, but I've moved on. I miss it though, wish it would snow here in MD. Jrssr5 10:25, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Community Standards[edit]

In an effort to update our sometimes too-vague and too-often ignored current Community Standards, I drafted a possible update of them. The draft can be found here. I invite you, and the rest of the site, to discuss this important issue. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:38, 9 January 2009 (EST)


I had you down on my post-it-notes of doom as "DoggedTurpis". So, no Dick jokes I'm afraid. D'you want the full list, btw? Father Jack Harkness 14:40, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Sure, hit me. Oh, and you had me paired up with an ace chap. I approve. DickTurpis 18:03, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Full names list in full[edit]

Warning: may contain lameness

  • TKToulouse
  • HumanG
  • Radioactive AceMcWicked
  • Proxima's 5150
  • ArmonKjeldsen
  • DoggedTurpis
  • Fox M
  • Genghis Kels
  • AllHailToast
  • Fretful Practice
  • Totnesflippin
  • Speaker4Aly
  • Spiny Norseman
  • Secret Weaseloid
  • Icewedgerunner
  • Pigremlin

I now return you to your regular programming. Father Jack Harkness 09:51, 18 January 2009 (EST)


for all your efforts here. I should add more, seeing as I started the thing, hopefully will have more time post-weekend. --Psy - C20H25N3OYou know you want to 17:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. I was wondering if/when others would add to it; it was beginning to seem like a personal essay. I probably won't add much more myself. For some entries my only real reaction is "WTF?" or "Andy is a fucking idiot." I'm hoping others will have something a bit more clever than that. DickTurpis 18:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Got me[edit]

But you don't like Sgt Frog. -- =w= 04:41, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. But Sgt. Sadler is a different matter entirely. DickTurpis 04:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you good Sir[edit]

For the kick upstairs right in the solar plexus with a shovel.. Have a mooncake.


The Wine of TyrantsDrunk with power again!

Around here we call that demotion. You should be ashamed of yourself, and I doubt you will ever be able to hold your head up in public again. Tetronian you're clueless 23:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
No, the hunchback will take care of that. Shame need not be a part in it. The Wine of TyrantsDrunk with power again!

Just to ask...[edit]

Everywhere you go, do you hold up traffic? -- CodyH (talk) 21:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I mostly hold up liquor stores. DickTurpis (talk) 01:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Objective facts Andy[edit]

I am pretty sure I got banned over 90/10 when arguing the best composer issue, not sure which account, but it was on the talk page of someone who claims to be a professor or author. I have a (mostly) complete list of my dirty socks on my page here, might be the place to start looking. HTH --Opcn (talk) 09:50, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Dick![edit]

Mei is useful

Thanks Dick II[edit]

I consolidated the current discussion here. User_talk:RobSmith#Back_to_WP.2FWales.2FBrandt.2FBerlet_and_all_that RobSmithdon't bother me 22:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


You have volunteered to talk to me. Mei (talk) 03:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I thought I volunteered to block you, but this'll do. DickTurpis (talk) 04:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Where is your name from? Mei (talk) 04:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
College days. "Turpis" was a good Latin word in my vocab. Thought it made a great name. DickTurpis (talk) 04:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
It is. It all sort of works. 'Mei' is from my name. Which is 'Mei'. Mei (talk) 04:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Not Montreal Economic Institute then? That was my first guess. DickTurpis (talk) 04:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Hehe. I also like That is a nice site logo. Mei (talk) 04:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Now, according to Wikipedia (which I'll have you know is never wrong) "Mei" is a Japanese given name, roughly translated as "sprout". Does that make you Japanese? DickTurpis (talk) 04:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Pretty much. It's complicated. Mei (talk) 04:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Is it? You're not in Japan then? (I could try to get info from your user page, but it is anything but straightforward.) DickTurpis (talk) 04:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I haven't been to Japan for ages. My Japanese-ness has been steadily depleting for many years in defiance of the law of conservation of energy. Mei (talk) 04:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Words are pretty. Mei is useful. Dick is Turpis. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
(Thank you, Humanbeing). Thermodynamics will do that, Sprout (I think I may call you "Sprout", if that's okay). By why the "II"? Is there another Mei here? (I should know this stuff, I've been at this site for years, I just never pay attention to what's going on.) DickTurpis (talk) 04:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I was user:Mei to start with, then I left for a while. I decided to come back under a new name because it seemed right. Mei (talk) 00:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I guess that sort of makes sense. Sort of.
So. What makes you so useful? DickTurpis (talk) 01:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes I tidy things. >_______> Mei (talk) 03:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Forgot to mention - feel free to call me Sprout. Mei (talk) 21:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


I haz emailed you my skypename plz keep private thank you ħumanUser talk:Human 02:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Mine is my username, but with a 1 at the end coz someone else nicked the better one. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 15:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
And where's my goddamned friend invite, DT? Jeez... Check yer mail. SJ Debaser 14:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Gmail is astute indeed. Had it classified as spam. DickTurpis (talk) 20:21, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


We gotta do that more often! Cheers! AnarchoGoon Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living 15:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Now remind me, why did we feel the need to block all Brits for 24 hours? And how did it turn into all Commonwealth folks, and then absolutely everybody? Somehow it seems it wasn't universally appreciated. DickTurpis (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I dunno. I think we were all too drunk to remember. Lord Goonie Hooray! I'm helping! 15:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Wait! I remember now. It began with Huw-man saying something about the Brits taking over the Wiki while he was asleep. So, we then took our block war to the British commonwealth. From there, I think it was soooo much fun that it eventually spread to any user whose username we could remember. Lord Goonie Hooray! I'm helping! 16:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Naming Fix[edit]

Much appreciated. --DinsdaleP (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem. It's actually quite rare I get to use 'crat powers. DickTurpis (talk) 23:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
It always fun when you get a chance though, eh? Acei9

You mother fucker[edit]

There is nothing wrong with going to a friends house to play starcraft, nothing! --Opcn (talk) 00:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

That may or may not be true. I'm leaning towards not, however. DickTurpis (talk) 04:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Intruding on a discussion on his talk page to which he was not invited[edit]

May I congratulate you on your fine grammar in your recent block comment, it is so nice to see someone who knows not to end a sentence with a preposition. Good man. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 16:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't it Churchill who said that ending sentences with propositions is something up with which we should not put? DickTurpis (talk) 18:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I think he said something along those lines, but it's been through the myth machine for 60-odd years now. My attempts to correct other preposition based crime on here have been met with derision. I am reminded of the scene in Bevis and Butthead do America where an FBI agent attempts to rearrange the sentence "That guy whose toolshed they were whacking off in" to avoid the preposition ending - modern day Churchillian. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 20:49, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
My favorite example of ending sentences with prepositions comes from, I believe, E.B. White: "A father of a little boy goes upstairs after supper to read to his son, but he brings the wrong book. The boy says, 'What did you bring that book that I don't want to be read to out of up for?'" Love it. DickTurpis (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
My father loves to recite the following: "One day I lost a preposition, it fell beneath my chair. 'How dare you put me in this postion?! Up from out of in under there!'". DogPMarmite Patrol 13:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

The Subhumans[edit]

Which ones: the Canadian ones or the UK ones? Punky Your mental puke relief 05:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Which do you think? The ones who were pioneers of an entire genre of British anarcho-punk, or some jackasses who wrote "Slave to My Dick"? DickTurpis (talk) 05:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
That's what I thought. Cheers! The Goonie 1 What's this button do? Uh oh.... 05:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

As promised[edit]

There ya go. Acei9 07:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


It appears as if we both independently stumbled upon the "Señor Admin" locution at the same time. I was still drunk when I got up at 10 this morning. Were you? What else did we have in common today? Nutty Roux/Señor Admin/¡Con más machismo! 16:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I had one of more somewhat rare dry nights last night. Still was up til about 3:30. Let's see. Did you by any chance help your very ill father install new blinds in his bedroom? If so, that would go beyond coincidence and right into the realm of uncanny. DickTurpis (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
No. I got drunk and went fishing in a ghetto park and caught a nice largemouth bass and then took pictures of Ace pouring gin into his ear. Average Thursday night. Nutty Roux/Señor Admin/¡Con más machismo! 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


How is this vandalism? What is wrong with saying hello in your world? AceMcWanker2 (talk) 11:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't be so obtuse. That wasn't vandalism, fucking with people's userpages is. DickTurpis (talk) 02:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

YOU and a main administrator?[edit]

I've never heard something that ridiculous in my whole life! I am the rightful leader of Rationalwiki, the one and only... Stop confusing our new editors with such blatant lies. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Le Carré[edit]

Doh! Thanks for clearing up my mess. Jack Hughes (talk) 13:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


... the authorities are not likely to be able to act against a mere "Crundy".

This made me chuckle on an otherwise uneventful day. I shall return the favour. Here's a picture of two kittens in a barrel. The one on the left is called Phillip. If this doesn't make you melt inside, you're probably a terrorist. SJ Debaser 16:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

No, not a terrorist. Not yet anyway. Reminds me that I have to find a home for a kitten soon though. Can I drop one off with you? DickTurpis (talk) 19:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
You're very welcome to try, but you'd need to poke at least one air hole in the box and cover the P&P. SJ Debaser 19:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm told I require a replacement cat. Can you FedEx or courier me one from your lair? Nutty Rouxnever mind 20:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I can build you a new cat out of elbow macaroni, a whistle and some ordinary household bleach. i9 20:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Nutty, if you honestly would like a kitten I may personally deliver it to you, depending on the state you live in (I need an excuse for a road trip anyway). I need to find a home for this kitten. My friends who have him now are trying to force me to take him if a home isn't found soon. I have 3 cats already, which is too many for my apartment. DickTurpis (talk) 00:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

retards are funny[edit]

I used to live in small suburb on the outskirts of the city that was close to the city hospital and associated services. Because of that fact a lot slightly touched and slow individuals lived nearby in council flats and hospital wards with day leave. There was one drooling fool who used to sit outside the supermarket banging two sticks together and yelping at the top of lungs. It was always kinda bizarre but one day as I approached he was slightly more vocal than usual and when I rounded the corner I found him in the middle of the footpath topless, banging his sticks together while a friend, a 300 pound woman friend (also topless), rode in circles around him on miniture circus bicycle braying like a hyena.
I completely melted with laughter. No person, no matter how understanding, could be faced with such a ugly scene of hilarity and hope to remain composed.
I have never seen anything quite like it since. i9 06:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

"Drinking PBR"[edit]

That's usually my racket. Tonite it is Glen Morangie. Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 04:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Well that elevates your status by about 5000x. DickTurpis (talk) 04:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
(Red wine for me) DickTurpis (talk) 04:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Deduct it by 2500, as I see you were referring to Nutty drinking teh PBR. Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 04:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Even so, I could murder a dram of Glenmorangie right about now. DickTurpis (talk) 04:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Was just thinking the other day...[edit]

...haven't seen old Turpis for awhile...welcome home friend. Ace of Spades 10:49, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Trying to catch up on what I missed, but other than TK and the release of the new conservaleaks it looks like much of the usual. Glad to be back. DickTurpis (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


I surrender! Colbert|FanWhat is a sig. 23:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Oooh, burn.[edit]

I doff my hat to you, sir Scarlet A.pngsshole 16:10, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

WIGO:World 3436[edit]

Is brilliant. That is all. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 18:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to ask you[edit]

In the Chicken Coop you said that my actions (that I freely acknowledge were childish) reflect poorly on my ability to be a good representative on the board. I'm specifically wondering which behaviors you believe reflect poorly on me, and why such behaviors which have been done by nearly every other user on this wiki constitutes a specific reason to distrust me specifically, beyond "it was pointed to in a coop" and "she openly acknowledges them". After all, would you rather I lie, and be against the record? Or that I acknowledge that yes, indeed I do poop, and that this is my poop, and that is my poop, but that poop is not mine. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 22:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe I related your actions to board membership specifically, but your actions did make me question your judgment, and that is one thing I look for in anyone who seeks a position of authority. I don't mean to be too hard on you, but your actions, which seem to have directly or indirectly caused a longtime and (in my mind) quality contributor to retire, showed very poor judgment. More disturbing is your apparent dismissal of it as "it's all in good fun". In my mind, telling someone to fuck off is not good fun (except in those circumstances between close friends in which both parties are having a laugh, which is quite certainly not the case here). Now, I'm sorry if this singles you out, and believe me I know there is a lot more of this sort of behavior going on. I think "it was pointed to in a coop" is the best explanation for now. Moreover, it was pointed to in the coop at a time when I decided I had sat and watched long enough and I thought it was time to try to help resolve a dispute in a calm and collected, as well as non-partisan, manner, which I sincerely tried to do (and I hope I was somewhat successful). The biggest problem of late, in my mind, is that small disputes get escalated until they become donnybrooks, and lines are drawn and sides are taken and the whole place comes apart at the seams. This time I wanted to stop that before it happened again. Sorry if it singled you out. I suppose I'll start getting a bit more involved in other cases now, if they come up, which no doubt they will. So I guess it won't specifically be you for long.
If you want a further explanation as to why you and why now, part of it is that this was a case where the well was not already poisoned by a huge escalating shitstorm, which was not true for, say, Human's recent case. Also, while I think Psygremlin went over the top with his demands, I did see a legitimate grievance. Moreover he presented it well, and by that I mean he mentioned specific actions and supplied appropriate diffs, which is better than cases where accusations are thrown around and you have to have been paying attention to what was going on already to know what the hell people were talking about. This is not personal, and I hope you don't take it personally, but you did admit you were acting childish, and were trolling. I hope you realize that such behavior is really unhelpful, particularly in this climate, and you will think a bit more before you act in the future. As for my comment that I feel less inclined to vote for you when board elections come up again, well, you have plenty of time to convince me otherwise. To quote the great Assfly, "I have an open mind about this." DickTurpis (talk) 02:36, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I didn't take it personally, I just brought it here to ask you, because you seemed to have the strongest opinion on the matter while still being rational. I thought you would be able to express a coherent argument that wasn't full of butt hurt. And while I agree that Psygremlin presented actual links, I noted that each of his points was pretty much invalidated by being consistent with the wiki culture. Am I sorry that Kels left because I was being a childish brat? Well, yeah, I was playing around, and someone got hurt. There was no intent to drive her off, but I recognize that my actions still did, and I feel bad about that (but that doesn't justify holding me "guilty" in the matter, because I didn't intend to do it, nor did I expect that she would get so upset about it.) And honestly, this wiki is full of people shouting "fuck off" to various people and BoNs... that doesn't make my actions acceptable, but rather is intended to indicate culture and context.
I'd also like to just point out that I was honest about my actions. I admit when I've made an error.. of course, this doesn't stop my opponents or people who don't like me from then trotting it out and making a big deal about it. My only other choice is to deny it and lose all credibility, and that I think would be a worse trait to expect in authority than anything else. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 03:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
You're right, there is too much "fuck off" shouting going on, and it really ought to stop. Yours got singled out largely to circumstances, but also because as a board member you really should try to behave better than the shit-stirrers. This goes for Human too, I realize, and I think I will have a chat with him sometime about trying to be more diplomatic. I'm glad you were able to admit mistakes; that's a sign of maturity often quite scarce. Of course, part of admitting mistakes is not making them again. Now, I don't want to take the fun out of the site, far from it, but there's fun and there's personal attacks. Some places (ahemwikipediaahem) use the term "personal attack" too loosely to the point where anything someone says that another person doesn't like is labeled "personal attack", and that's something that bothers me. You should certainly be able to criticize another persons actions, even in a somewhat insulting manner, but all this "fuck off" shit ain't kosher. Perhaps you really were kidding, but online it does not come across that way. So I'm willing to let bygones be bygones; not that it matters terribly as I'm just another asshole on a wiki. But should Kels return, and I hope she will, I'd like it if you didn't reignite the flame war. Even if she were to start something, take the high road, for the sake of the wiki. DickTurpis (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


I just wanted to congratulate you on the thoughtfulness and even-handedness of your contributions to the current coop. More of you is what this place needs, even if not everyone appreciates it. --(((Zack Martin))) 23:49, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate the comments. I guess we'll see if others think he same. DickTurpis (talk) 02:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I think Mr. Turpis should run for mod. He handled that very maturely.ТyTalk. 02:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
you should totally join the RationalWiki Jacobins.--brxbrxbrxbrxbrxbrx-brxbrx 03:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I think Dick is obviously just trying to show off. I've seen his userpage. It's a cesspit filled with threats of violence, gratuitous drunkenness, and foul language. Some mod he'd be. Nutty Roux (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Read my userpage have you, Nutty? Then you should know: Don't FUCK with me!!!!! DickTurpis (talk) 03:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
As for the Jacobins, thanks but no thanks. I specifically don't want to get involved in factions (not that that group seems terribly factional, but still...). While I like some parts of your platform, there are others I don't agree with. Good luck, anyway. DickTurpis (talk) 03:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I support DickTurpis for mod, but only if he adds "Tricky" in front of his name. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Don't ever accuse me of not pandering for a vote! TrickyDickTurpis (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks like you won't have Dick Turpis to kick around anymore. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Nixon.jpg You don't have THIS user to kick around anymore!


You have been nominated for moderator. Please go here to accept or decline. ТyTalk. 03:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Now has the role of the moderator been decided on yet? It seems there are still a few outstanding questions, and we risk putting the cart before the horse by starting the election process. TrickyDickTurpis (talk) 04:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You lost my vote[edit]

I knew Tricky Dick, and you, sir, are no longer Tricky Dick. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I's the same guy! Really! You gots ta believe me, man! DickTurpis (talk) 03:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Damn alcohol-free nights[edit]

Dude, I pity your dry soul. Come over and we'll have shiraz with whisky chasers. You'll sleep just fine at Ace's place. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 09:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a bit of a commute though. If I'm ever on the far side of the world I'll be sure to stop in. DickTurpis (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

thank you--User:Brxbrx/sig 19:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

love it[edit]

that old span id=myName gets them every time. If my IP had blocking rights, I'd return the favour, only for twice or thrice as long. (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, just noticed. Coming right after my post I naturally didn't give a second thought that it was directed at me. In any other situation I would have likely checked the source.


If you go by the coop archives, everything is pretty relaxed with only 2 serious cases until 2009. It really goes to hell in a hand basket around June 2010. Тайговорить 20:24, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, though I'm not sure we're not looking at a little selection bias there, as not all disputes necessarily made it to the coop back then, as they seem to inevitably do now. Nevertheless, I think that does back up my assertion somewhat. DickTurpis (talk) 20:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Eh, I was rushed, so I stopped at page 8 of the archives. There's quite a bit of "fun" in debate space as well, but I'm a little lazy right now. Тайговорить 20:28, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


That's twice now Ace beat you out in Moderator elections with his sockpuppets. You'd make a good Mod, for the time and thought you've put into the problems at hand. How long is RW gonna let Ace jack the whole site around with his bullshit? nobsEmpty Recycle Bin 02:12, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Three things: 1) Who are my socks? 2) Do you really think Dick is going to believe your bullshit 3) I don't think you know how the voting system works anyway. Aceace 02:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hmmmmm. Let's tally my endorsements so far: Maratrean, Brxbrx, Ty, and RobSmith. Yeah, I'm going to ride those right into the winner's circle. Let's get the Taliban to endorse Obama next year while we're at it. And Ace is right. Who are his socks (an irrelevant question in any case, as we don't know who voted)? He's a popular guy here and has a substantial amount of support, even without alleged sockpuppets. Hell, I like the guy, I just have to admit he's not the first name that pops into my head when I hear the words "dispute resolution" (sorry Ace, but it's true). Anyway, even if your allegations were true, he beat me out of the alternate slot; I wouldn't be a mod in any case (I don't know if I was the runner up even for the alternate, to be honest; I could have been beaten by a couple others there too). I guess it's as likely as not that I'll run again next time, and again will probably do pretty well, but not well enough. DickTurpis (talk) 02:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Hey... TyTy 02:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Alright, you were the one that wasn't going to actually harm my chances (much), but I felt I had to mention you anyway (oops, forgot Nebuchadnezzar). Still, this isn't exactly the dream team, endorsement-wise. DickTurpis (talk) 02:40, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Nah, I was messing with ya, but I'm not exactly beloved by many. TyTy 02:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Yeeeaaaahh...I sort of picked up on that (though I'm not entirely sure why). DickTurpis (talk) 03:27, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
i don't have an issue with Ty myself - he is a bit weird and stalkerish though. Aceace 03:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
No offence taken Dick. Aceace 02:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Ace? a popular guy? Yah, so was Charlie Manson, the life of the party. nobsEmpty Recycle Bin 03:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
All my sock puppets agree that I am popular. Aceace 03:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Mine are split 50:50. DickTurpis (talk) 03:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

hey man[edit]

Changing peoples userpages with a subtle joke after said user stalked you over 2 different wikis and personal email with accusations of sock puppetry and vote rigging is,like, NOT COOL. Dude. Aceace 01:52, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, on what planet did I ever make any claims of being "cool"? DickTurpis (talk) 01:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
I have seen your photo - the desperate yearning for coolness emanating from your cold, dead eyes. Aceace 01:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
That, my antipodal friend, is innate awesomeness. Look it up. DickTurpis (talk) 01:59, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Where were you when the fun stopped?[edit]

Sorry dude, funs over. Laws have been laid down. This is a vile time. Aceace 07:19, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Where was I went the fun stopped? Probably drunk on the couch, as usual. DickTurpis (talk) 09:22, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Life passing you by, eh? Aceace 09:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually I get really angry about this.[edit]

You may have noticed. On the first DAY of the Somme over 10,000 British soldiers died. During the battle every square foot of land is estimated to have been hit by 60 shells, there were that many fired. My grandfather lived his entire life with German machine gun bullets in his back which he took during the battle. To see it described as 'veterans day' and have him link to some shitty xian blog site to explain something I have known for the past 40+ years annoys me more than I can begin to explain.

I am a pacifist by nature and by ideology but I respect the memory of those who died. andy shits on the memories for his own sick reasons. THAT is my beef with him.

Oldusgitus (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Keep in mind the context. If someone is reading what he wrote, they are reading Conservapedia, and are therefore most likely very stupid. Chances are Armistice Day is an entirely new thing for them. I honestly don't think Andy's shitting on anything in this case. DickTurpis (talk) 22:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
He didn't link to "some shitty Xtian blog," he linked to the wp: Christian Science Monitor, which is a fairly centrist and secular (with the exception of one religious article an issue]] news outlet. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 22:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


Due to the farcical nature of the mod system I have given up, but answer your link request. (show/hide) 08:07, 7 December 2011 Ace McWicked (Talk | contribs | block) unblocked Ace McWicked (Talk | contribs) ‎ (You think I am going to let a worthless, dateless, freak like yourself drive me off RW?) Followed by: (show/hide) 08:08, 7 December 2011 Nx (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Ace McWicked (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 3 months (account creation disabled) ‎ (We'll see) (unblock | change block) Great moderating but fuck it. Human was right. Aceace 20:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

mod nom[edit]

You've been nominated -- Nx / talk 20:03, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

NX I HATE YOU I WAS GOING TO TELL HIM BUT I EDIT CONFLICTED--User:Brxbrx/sig 20:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Is it that time of the year already? What the hell, let's give it another go. DickTurpis (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Nx has nominated you to be a moderator[edit]

But only because he got to it before I could--User:Brxbrx/sig 20:03, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

U one of Brxbrx's socks?[edit]

Or one of Mara's? Brxbrx and Maratrean, your presence is unwelcome, please leave immediately (talk) 04:35, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

DickyT for mod! Sam Tally-ho! 04:54, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, you'll vote Ace - if you know what's good for you... Ace for mod Winter 2011 800x122.jpg

That gun is so big, I...I don't know if I can't vote for you now. But at the same time, I don't know if I can vote for a smurf. Sam Tally-ho! 06:00, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


I've nominated you for Trustee. Please go here to accept or decline. Thanks. The Noisy Orchestra Oi! Oi! Oi! 11:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I think Dick would make a good trustee. (((Zack Martin))) 11:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Must... not... take... out of context. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 11:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Who's? (((Zack Martin))) 11:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
It'd be even funnier if Dick's name was "Bupkas," so that way it'd sound like Mara was expressing a lack of faith in the Board. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 11:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I have to give it some thought though. DickTurpis (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I, for one, welcome our Dickish Overlord.[edit]

Congrats. PintOfStout Talk BRONIES! 23:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, you had my vote Dick. AceAce For Mod! 23:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It's about time you were put in charge. I voted for you near the top each time.--User:Brxbrx/sig 23:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you all. I'll try to wield the unbelievably awesome power I have been handed with restraint. DickTurpis (talk) 00:48, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Time for us to take charge. AceAce For Mod! 00:50, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
By the way, I nominated you. That means I get to be your Richelieu.--User:Brxbrx/sig 02:15, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

no no no (wikia)[edit]

Wikia is where you want to go if you want to Learn the basics of some obscure star system, inexpensive blue cheese made on tatooine or The name and history of that guy who marries padme and Anakin at the end of episode 2--il'Dictator Mikal (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Well, that too. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 17:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Your face[edit]

It may just be me, but you bear a significant resemblance to Jude Law. Sparky! one shot

Never heard that one before. I'll take it. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 14:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


If you see a redirect in the list, please just remove the section. When I made the list I just copy-pasted all the page titles in the namespcae which includes redirects :< Тyrannosaurs 13:59, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. I'm thinking of mentioning them in their target article sections, so we can be sure they'll have the same fate. What do you think? Turpis 3:16 (talk) 14:02, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm a crush kill destroy type, works for me. Тyrannosaurs 14:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Conservapedia:Burning the Evidence/Fred Phelps[edit]

I'm not sure how to vote on this one; I wasn't aware anything was burned there. I'm all for hosting burned CP tall pages on RW to document the abuse, but redundancy and outdated relevance are practical considerations, too. Should this one be saved? nobsI'm not a doctor but I play one with the girls 01:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Honestly I've been putting aside the Burning the evidence and Blatant plagiarism sections as I can't be bothered with them right now, and it seems they should be handled as a group. When we get the list down to a couple hundred I might start to look into it. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 23:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


Given the "delete all the other team" statements come out to 5:1 for all of them, should we delete them en masse? ТyYes? 23:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Why not. I just moved the one thing I wanted to archive to my userspace. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 23:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Off to go burn some aggression then. Тyrannosaurs 23:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Since you are my latest target of talk page spamming[edit]

Should we go 4:1 if it has been a while? ТyPlease do not click on this 12:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I've been using my judgment there. If I'm really quite sure it's a clear cut case I've been doing that on occasion. Also, if I'm going to be the 5th vote I don't bother adding my vote, I just delete or keep. The ones toward the bottom of the page seem to get less traffic, so I'm being more hesitant with those. I also take into account the points raised in the votes, if there are any, especially under "goat", which normally is a non-vote, but here is being used to express 3rd options at times, and should be taken into account. Like WP's deletion process, its about the arguments and not just the numbers. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 12:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Alrighty. ТyNo 12:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Also, with keeps I've basically been closing at 4:0. Obviously can't do that with deletes though. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 12:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
FYI on funspace: It wasn't a whole deal thing, just pages targeted by Mei and Totnesmartin mostly. Тysic semper 13:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah. I thought I remembered it being pretty widespread though. Is there a link? I can't find one. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 13:41, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Link 1, Link 2. Still technically not finished, just abandoned.Тyrannosaurs 13:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Why am I not surprised. We seem to be handling the CP purge much better. Let's pat ourselves on our respective backs, shall we? Turpis 3:16 (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Wow. When I mentioned pats on the back I had no idea there was a Pat on the Back Society. RationalWiki of late has seemed more a "punch in the kidneys" sort of place. Anyway, back at ya. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 14:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

No one's voted in weeks and I'm tempted to start nuking anything with a majority vote. ТyrannisPlead 12:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


Would you be so kind as to rename me to "Radioactive Afikomen"? Passover starts today, so I'd like my old, Jew-y name back for the next week. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:21, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 22:30, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Thy will be done. I hope it wasn't too much of a strain on the server. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:38, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
And there goes RC.--il'Dictator Mikal 03:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh well, use your watchlist? RC is overrated anyway, it's for addicts, not users. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah, thank you Human! Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 10:50, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't get around to it myself. I was way too high to handle such a request when I read it, and then forgot afterwards (which I guess isn't too surprising). Part of the confusion was I had no idea you and Radioactive Afikomen were the same person. (I suppose this is what people get for sewing confusion by changing their names all the time.) Turpis 3:16 (talk) 04:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Haha. Really? I figured everyone knew who I was. I feel like a secret user now! :-D Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 10:50, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Please intervene[edit]

Several users have ganged up to constantly block me. It has gotten to the point where it is incredibly frustrating. Right now, my IP is blocked because of ArchieGoodwin and I'm having to rely on Tor. I can't unblock it because P-Foster removed my rights. Even before my block rights were removed, unblocking myself was futile since as soon as I did so, I would be blocked again. I'm sick of it. Don't ask me to roll with the punches. This has gone too far. Please intervene.--"Shut up, Brx." 03:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it was handled in my absence. If that's not the case let me know. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 04:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I've been framed for the recent series of vandal attacks, and have been blocked as a result, despite there being no real evidence against me. This is Brx writing from an account he created a while back, using a Tor node. I am innocent, and I provided my defense on the All things in moderation page (assuming P-Foster or Ace McWicked haven't removed it). I humbly ask that you restore my user rights and issue a moratorium against further block attempts. I understand that you don't want to wade knee deep in this drama, but I have no other choice but to come to you for assistance. My request for assistance naturally also extends to Blue and AD, but I have little time before I am blocked again and thus will be making only a single edit.

Additionally, an IP editor on RWW attempted to frame me with this edit, using the same edit summary I had used when leaving a comment to defend myself. I did not make that edit, and my browser doesn't remember edit summaries in that fashion.

Thank you for whatever help you deign giving me--Someone with a shit attention span and a very low productive drive (talk) 22:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

you know, it might be better for RC[edit]

if you delete them and move them all at once instead of one at a time. just a suggestion--il'Dictator Mikal 22:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but I'm going more or less on autopilot now; I'm not sure I can change the system. It'd be hard to keep track of too. RC will recover pretty soon. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 22:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Shoulda asked Ty to do it, he seems to enjoy botting up for menial RC filling tasks--il'Dictator Mikal 22:10, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Also, if I try to do them all at once a single edit conflict undoes everything, which is a pain. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Poor poor RC. You know what would be better for RC? More people editing articles to make them better, instead of navel-gazing. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
But my navel's so very pretty! Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 02:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I nominated you for moderator[edit]

Also, Jesus fucking Christ this page needs an archivin'--User:Brxbrx/sig 04:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


For "NPOV Jugg Fuckers". That was my laugh for the day. VOXHUMANA 00:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Glad you liked it. Shows how editing Wikipedia for 8 years has prevented me from being able to see POV without thinking of "point of view". Like the initials CP and TK now as well. I think the worst was when I saw a car commercial on Hulu which kept freezing every few seconds. It said something about "conserv-" then froze, and I had in my head "-apedia" - half a second later it continued "-ing fuel..." I knew something was wrong with my habits then. DickTurpis (talk) 04:22, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Only 8 years? You newbie :-) FWIW, while I certainly didn't coin the term "neutral point of view" - Jimbo did - but I have a bad feeling I was the first person to ever refer to it as NPOV :) VOXHUMANA 04:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Bugger, not true. It looks like Robert Merkel was the first. (I'm either MB, MMGB or manningbartlett in those ancient discussions). VOXHUMANA 04:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


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'Hipster guitar'[edit]

Got it from you. Will now use it extensively. Especially in front of the hipsters I know who have them. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 23:46, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Cool. I came up with that a little while back, and was worried I got scooped on it (same thing happened with finger binary; whenever I see someone doing it now I think "dammit, that's my thing!"). Anyway, I'd certainly love to see it catch on. So you've noticed hipsters' penchant for the instrument too, then. Glad it's not just me. DickTurpis (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
As mentioned elsewhere, the cheap plinky crap ones don't help. Scarlet A.pngbomination 00:13, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
True that. Though I have to admit part of my distaste for the instrument comes from an irrational aversion to its recent trendiness. I basically stopped wearing fedoras for the same reason. Well, I also got my hair cut short, so I no longer needed to constantly wear a hat to hide my unkempt hair and keep it out of my face. DickTurpis (talk) 00:31, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Having a backlash against the backlash against the mainstream is so mainstream. Scarlet A.pngtheist 07:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Dude, I've been using finger binary since 1966. Seldom need to go above 31, so only one hand, thumb is 1, little pinky is 16. Down on the desk or knee is 1, in the air is 0. Was a boy rocker from NYC showed me how, said he got it from a drummer. You may have your ukes; I find the ladies love a lazy sound on the Irish zouk. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 00:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Alright, so I wasn't alive in '66 so I'll have to give that to you. I did figure it out on my own in the mid 90s, and never saw anyone else use it until a few years back, so I like to be pedantically smug that I was clever enough to figure it out for myself, even though I've never been a math or computer guy. As for the bouzouki, great instrument, that. I've fiddle around with a few at specialty music shops, but can hardly claim to have played one. Cittern too. Is there a difference? Either kicks the ukelele square in the nuts. Oh, and if you're a true finger binary guy, well, 132 you, pal! DickTurpis (talk) 01:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Hey, if you honestly developed it independently, it's yours. I've only got one hand free, so 19 back at ya.
I think of a cittern as having a longer neck and a smaller body, sorta like a Greek zouk only with a flat back. The one hanging on my wall is a Trinity College octave mando with the body meeting the 12th fret, and I'm still getting used to it. Won't be able to really punch it until I learn my way around the frets better. I tend to use cello finger patterns on it rather than fiddle/mando ones, because of the scale length. There's a fellow in town with what he calls an Irish bouzouki that is midway between, with more neck showing and a smaller body than mine, but still a bigger box than a cittern. Next week will be GDAD week for me, if fortune smiles. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 01:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I think I may have made this mistake of using Wikipedia to try to tell the difference between a cittern, bouzouki, octave mandolin, mandola, and whatever else basically has the same or similar string configuration. People who think Wikipedia gives shallow, simplistic answers to questions have never used the site. Fuck, I wish they did. Half the time you have to click a dozen hypertext links and spend hours reading related articles before you can even make sense of the first paragraph. I figured it was about time to actually learn about Higgs boson today, but the WP article doesn't exactly clear it up in a succinct manner. Anyway, I'm rambling now. I think it's the Irish bouzouki Andy Irvine plays, and that guy fuckin rocks. I do have qualms about it being an Irish instrument, when it's so clearly Greek, but I guess it really doesn't matter. Probably doesn't help that my introduction to the instrument was listening to the Monty Python Cheese Shop sketch when I was a kid. Oh well. 19, eh? You might have missed the reference. The single hand version of 132 is simply 4. Double Deuce. DickTurpis (talk) 02:20, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
No idea what Wikipedia says about a cittern. I remember seeing Dave Richardson with the Boys of the Lough Jeebus tap-dancing X on a pogo stick I'm old playing some thing with a bird carved on the headstock. That's my internal prototype of a cittern, and I'm sticking to it. When people ask me what that thing is in my hands, I tell them it's a bazerki.
Oh, and I got your 132 right here, pal. It's 128 and 4, symmetrical. Office Space happened to be on the tube this afternoon, and saw a kid doing that in the Chotchkie's parking lot. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 02:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Well, I saw Boys of the Lough back in around '92 or so, I'm guessing, and it seems you're a wee bit older than I, so you shouldn't feel too old (maybe?). I have the CD I bought at that concert in my collection somewhere. Not one of the best Irish traditional albums I own, but not bad by any means. Saw Patrick Street and the Chieftains around the same time, I guess, and was a bit more impressed with them. Good times. Anyway, I've seen Office Space a few times but don't recall that scene. I assume it's straight up double birds, no binary involved, eh? I think I'd remember 132. DickTurpis (talk) 02:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────It was Sanders Theater in Boston in the early 90s when I saw them last. I forget exactly who was on the roster then; pretty sure they still had Aly Bain and Cathal McConnell. Part of the patter included joking about their advanced age. About twenty years earlier they played a few times in the Ark in Ann Arbor, which is where I saw them first. Practically sat at their feet in that small room, lots of energy there. We like the Shetland fiddle tunes in this house; SWMBO can't get enough of Aly Bain's fiddling, and does a pretty fair cover of a lot of his tunes.

It was Jennifer Aniston's co-worker, the one with oodles of flair, who flipped them off two-handed in the parking lot, IIRC about the time Our Hero had made up his mind to do the time for his misdeed, and made his peace with Ms. Aniston's character. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 03:20, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

your vote breakdown[edit]

Candidate Rank Count
DickTurpis 1 3
DickTurpis 2 9
DickTurpis 3 5
DickTurpis 4 6
DickTurpis 5 4
DickTurpis 6 3
DickTurpis 7 3
DickTurpis 8 2
DickTurpis 9 2
DickTurpis 10 1
DickTurpis 11 5
DickTurpis 12 1
DickTurpis 15 1
DickTurpis 16 1

Cheers VOXHUMANA 05:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Didn't realize I got that many #2 votes. Must have been what got me in, as merely three #1 votes is a pretty inauspicious beginning. DickTurpis (talk) 05:25, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


That's a little unfair, Dick. I take my fiduciary responsibilities seriously, and would make a reliable Trustee. Trouble is I don't want the job. Further, I have never, ever, nor has it been alleged, I sockpuppeted on Rationalwiki, or even registered a sock account. That should be evidence of bona fidas. nobsCorporations are people, too. 23:31, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, don't get so bent out of shape, I was using you as a hyperbolic worst case scenario. Let's face it, no one here wants you on the board, though I actually think if you somehow were there you'd probably take it seriously. Still, you hardly represent us as a whole, do you? Yeah, Karajou would probably have been a better example, but as you are a member here, the slight twinge of a possibility of you being elected made the example a bit stronger, in my mind. DickTurpis (talk) 23:57, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Call me the John Roberts of Rationalwiki. I recognize I act not for my own benefit, but on behalf of those who place trust in me. nobsCorporations are people, too. 00:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
So you are running then? And you're a commie? DickTurpis (talk) 00:24, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Trouble is I don't want the job Yeah, don't think that's the problem dude. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 00:28, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
If nominated I may not run, if elected I may not serve. nobsThe Butthurt Grows Bigger from Ace's Rep 00:37, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
if elected I may not serve Just like Obama. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 00:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Actually, Rob's the Colin Powell of RW: he'd be the favorite if he'd run, but he won't. DickTurpis (talk) 00:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I always liked Powell. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 03:41, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[edit]

Awful, you horrible man. AceThe Rep Grows Bigger 03:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Does this mean you have not forgotten? Oh dear, my heart is all atwitter! DickTurpis (talk) 03:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Fist bump[edit]

Well, we tried to graciously step aside, anyways. Thanks for taking the sane route with me on the Moderator issue. The Noisy Orchestra Oi! Oi! Oi! 14:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I guess that's over with. Now back to the "how do we vote" controversy, as well as the "do we even need mods" one. Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be quite a ride. DickTurpis (talk) 14:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Two barnstars, no less![edit]

Velkopopovický Kozel.jpg For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Blue
has awarded you some beer. Look it has a goat on the label!
Cookie half.jpg For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Blue
has awarded you a used pre-owned! and slightly stale cookie.
Cockroaches ate half of it.

You guys are making me look bad! Blue (is useful) 15:10, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


I believe I sent you one, but am not sure. Тytalk 15:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Do you need a reply? To be honest the chances of me going are very minimal. DickTurpis (talk) 16:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Not really. Тytalk 17:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, snap[edit]

[1] Also, would you mind terribly if I archived your talk page for you? Please?--User:Brxbrx/sig 02:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

My page, my rules. I really don't see how it can bother you if it doesn't bother me. DickTurpis (talk) 02:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Lighten Up[edit]

File:Frot.jpgWarning: NSFW Image!

rpeh •TCE 21:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't think I even need to click that link to know what's there. Very well. I yield to your superior humor skills. I lay the dick-shaped scepter at your feet. Wield it with restraint. DickTurpis (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Jury Duty[edit]

My Senior Civics Teacher told us a story about how he's been to it like 5 times, while the other civics teacher never has and was all jealous about it, so don't feel so alone in the whole "wants/wanted to do jury duty thing". (I, having sat in on a Civil Case for my law class, have no desire to ever have be in a court room again.) --Mikal Harass Follow 00:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I actually had grand jury duty, which is significantly different. Sort of fun at times, though. I'd do it again. DickTurpis (talk) 10:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Tech powers[edit]

Okay, you and Blue were the other two users who want Techs to have some enumerated powers, and Blue isn't around. Where do we even bring this up? --TheLateGatsby (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

You volunteering to herd cats? Alright by me. You can try forums, or the community standards talk page, I guess. Let me know when you start something. DickTurpis (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
I used to date someone who was turning into a cat lady -she had 15 or so strays coming to her back door. At least the cats were adorable. I think this will be more akin to hitting my head against a brick wall. --TheLateGatsby (talk) 16:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Time to get shouted down... --TheLateGatsby (talk) 13:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I like the idea of having the mods pick the techs -if they're just getting appointed by Trent right now, that just makes it more distracting for someone who's rather busy. More to the point, it makes people actually care who is a mod beyond "whoever tolerates my shenanigans". --TheLateGatsby (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I nominated you to the board of trustees[edit]

Assuming I did so correctly you may accept or decline here--"Shut up, Brx." 20:50, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it consideration. DickTurpis (talk) 13:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.[edit]

I never thanked you properly for your work regarding Techs. Between the Hurricane, my new job and resignation about the state of the site, I wasn't much help, and I'm sorry. --TheLateGatsby (talk) 13:57, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Though I don't really consider myself to have done all that much. I'm just glad we reached a widely accepted resolution. (That did happen, didn't it?) DickTurpis (talk) 18:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Most excellent[edit]

Your addition of selfproclaimed 'overkill' nature is, I dare confess, in all actuality a most excellent specimen. I stroke my moustache in your general direction. Godspeed. --Pex (talk) 14:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Well that takes me back. Glad you like it. I am a wee bit proud of that entry (as well as the Joyce one), especially since so many on that page are pretty hackneyed and tiresome.There is a pretty good amount of wheat amongst the chaff, but a good amount of chaff. DickTurpis (talk) 03:35, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

I nominated you for the board of trustees[edit]

Accept or decline here if you're still around--"Shut up, Brx." 00:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

CP villanelle[edit]

Randomly clicked on your user page and saw it. Awesome stuff :) Robledo (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Not sure if you were around then, but quite a while ago there we had a Conservapedia poetry contest. That was a late addition, but I liked it enough to copy it to my user page. Glad I did, because I believe the contests were deleted in a mass purge not too long ago. Most of the entries were pretty mediocre, but there were some good ones. This is the only villanelle I've ever written. One of very few pomes ever, I guess. DickTurpis (talk) 22:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


I sent you a thing. Also hi. TyJFBAA 02:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

O Hai! You sent me a thing? I'm guessing it's at my gmail account, then. Goddammit! Now I have to try to remember whatever unnecessarily convoluted thing I changed my gmail password to after heartbleed. *grumble*. DickTurpis (talk) 02:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Hell I think i have your skhype... somewhere. TyJFBAA 02:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Skype? Wow. It's been a long time. I'll see if I can log in. (And I have my gmail password around here somewhere; won't take me long. Think I just need to figure out what number it ends with. I have a few I use.) DickTurpis (talk)
And again and I removed you from skype accidentally it seems oh well. TyJFBAA 02:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Can you add me again? DickTurpis (talk) 03:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Assuming same as gmail sure. TyJFBAA 03:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Quick question for you about the origins of iron working in sub saharan Africa if you can[edit]

Was it indigenous to the region or was it introduced from up north because I am debating this racist and I provided her this source. This was her response "I'm on the side of history, you however, aren't on anyone's side but your own, that's why you resorted to insults. "has an African origin dating to before 1000 BCE" Yah that really explains a lot. Your source doesn't provide evidence of smelting before 1,000 years. It just throws a figure out there and expects everyone to believe it. Your source doesn't offer a single foot note except for a linguist who is not an archaeologist and another archaeologist that says it's a hypothesis - which you have ignorantly accepted as fact. And just what did these sub-Saharan Negroids create with this iron? Nothing so much as a door hinge. One of the earliest smelted iron artifacts known is a dagger with an iron blade found in a Hattic tomb in Anatolia, dating from 2500 BC Cowen 2010

" there is no such thing as the white race. " Then I guess there is no such thing as the black race either. Damn, you must have been born without an optical nerve to not see the difference in race. No wonder you need glasses. Better double up on that prescription, four eyes. You don't come to my video and disrespect me and my people you ass." The video for this debate is here I tried this source but I am not sure how reliable it is. Not only that I found this rebuttal "This is an interesting essay about the case for and against against iron working originating in sub-Saharan Africa. In essence it picks apart some of the very early dates, showing them to be more the product of wishful thinking and poor archeological practises. Most notably, dating a buried object in Niger from a potsherd found on the surface (very poor practise) and the common use of ancient charcoal to smelt iron giving false antiquity to artifacts, and the lack of calibration when using carbon 14 dating. It also points out the lack of prior technology that could could have lead to the discovery of iron working, notably that coppper working appeared almost at the same time, and that the pottery was fired in low temperature pit kilns that wouldn’t have produced iron accidentally. It also notes that the movement of iron technology appears to have been from North to South, with Egypt being one of the last Mediterranean cultures to adopt iron tools, with Turkey being the oldest known site. This is the reverse of what you would see of the technology was of African origin moving Northwards. So it looks like a Turkish origin for Iron working is still the most likely." Source: I would appreciate the help. prophetofreason 04:50, 10 October 2014 (UTC)