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I'm certain you won't be missed.
--Linus(plot evil tech) 17:27, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Welcome Wagon[edit]

Welcome aboard! Flippin-shhh 10:55, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Thank you. RobS 11:01, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

I have no idea what that text on your userpage is about but anyway, welcome! --Sid 11:03, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Good to see you, RobS. --AKjeldsen 11:05, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, what the heck is that about? Flippin-shhh 11:06, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

It is the background information of my dispute with Politcal Research Associates. In short, I am still very pissed off at the slanders and defamations targeted at me by this orgaanization, rubber stamped by WP ArbCom, admitted to by Mr. Fred Bauder as false. I don't seek any enemies, but I am willing to swear a deposition in Mr. Daniel Brandt's case if he should decide to go ahead with a lawsuit. I know of the malicious intent, begining with Mr. Jimbo Wales sanctioning the program of political profiling. RobS 11:11, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Is someone from wikipedia out to get you? I don't believe there is any maliciousness toward you here. Flippin-shhh 11:13, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Yes, I am willing to discuss matters pertaining to CP with you here. In fairness, it would help for all of you to understand who you are dealing with. Here's some links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nobs01

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance/Requests/November_2006/Nobs02#Motion_2_by_Nobs01

http://nobsopus.blogspot.com/2007/02/navigating-flame-wars-of-daniel-brandt.html

RobS 11:21, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Okay, slowly, could you explain what the crux of the issue is in a sentence? I followed those links and still don't follow you? Is it a censorship of some kind you are describing? Flippin-shhh 11:25, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

In 2005 I was in a lengthy dispute with Mr. Chip Berlet of PRA. I was subsequently banned. The case has horribly mishandled, and I was viciously defamed in the process. I entered WP:DR & WP:Arb in good faith to resolve issues, not to be defamed. RobS 11:27, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

I see. Well, I think one of the goals of this site is to listen to everybody's point of view. Not all statements on an issue are valid--but everyone's entitled to their opinion. This site aims to be a pretty fair place, so I wouldn't sweat being defamed. Anyway, welcome to the new Rationalwiki 2.0 Flippin-shhh 11:32, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Thank you. To level the playing field, and to get us all on the same page, I would recommend everyone read all 135 pages of Laird Wilcox, The Watchdogs: A Close Look at Anti-Racist "Watchdog" Groups, Editorial Research Service, 1999. (PDF) ISBN 0-993592-96-5
http://www.nukeisrael.com/books/TheWatchdogs.pdf
Yes, I know the link appears to be on a racist site, however this simply appears to be another ADL front, as the older, Volksfront was taken down in early 2006. And this appears to be simply an effort to discredit Mr. Laird Wilcox. We can disucss those questions if necessary. RobS 11:42, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
  • Yes, Rob, enjoy your stay. There is a page here, I copied, where they discussed how to lure CP Sysops here. Since they drove me off with threats against my family, now they moved on to you, via Flipping. Enjoy TK
  • Hi Tk. If you look at your talk page in CP and here, I've been welcoming you and others to this site. I am not sure what you mean by "luring" sysops here. I invited you, RobS, Andy, Hoji and Ed to come on by and chat/debate. I won't clutter Robs' page with this, but you seem to be upset about, whatever. If that's the case, drop a note on my page. Flippin;-) 14:23, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Welcome Rob! Diabhal 15:29, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Your actions on CP[edit]

I am curious about something. You and I have a similar interest, at least we have read some similar books. But I am still confused as to the Constitution Party bit, and also the Israel bit. I am not a anti-Jew (Jesus was a Jew, Paul was one too), and you have a "This user supports Israel" user box, but you came down pretty hard on me for not coming down harder on the Mossad. And from your posts here, it seems you were involved in some sort of dispute regarding the ADL.

So, some questions:

  1. Did you really think I was some sort of undercover liberal, Jewish person, or some other type of person than what I claimed to be (and if so, who)?
  2. What's your problem with the Constitution Party?
  3. Do you really support the moder nation-state of Israel? (I am skeptical. I believe in their right to defend themselves, but am skeptical of their motives, as evidenced by my article that included the Levan affair.)

Thanks. I do look forward to your reply. If you want to reply privately, please send an email. HGHeartOfGold talk 20:07, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Just for argument's sake, I will admit to being a non-undercover liberal Jew, who supports the right to exist for the state of Israel, but, just as with all states, I certainly do not support everything the government does, any more than I support everything my government does.DocSock 20:16, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
DocSock, I am not a jew, but Jesus was a Jew, and Paul was one too. I support Israel's right to exist (and defend itself), just as with all states. I do not support everything my government does either. I am trying to find out what was on RobS's mind at CP. I don't know Rob but his behavior toward me was contradictory, and I am curious. HGHeartOfGold talk 20:25, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Ooh! Ooh! I'm a Jew! ----Linus(plot evil tech) 19:39, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Thank you. I do believe Conservapedia has undergone a relentless series of provacations, race baiting, and all the stereotypes many (let's call them) "extreme leftists", routinely abuse conservatives and Republicans with. I'm well schooled in the art of partisan poltical warfare, but as I've matured I think it as senseless; however, I'm not a door mat, and when faced with unreasonable partisan crusaders, I can be just as hardnosed, if not moreso.

As to the Constitution party, I know little of it, other than the hit pieces written by SPLC et al. I know something of Judge Moore, and I'll accept on faith he spoke at an Eagle Forum (when? I don't know). But in point of fact, I have very little respect for any third party movement, as I beleive they do not understand the basics of how the American political system work (i.e., the Constitution) and thus have no right whatsoever to even waste our time with thier senseless B.S.

Yes I do support Israel. I do not pretend to know or understand all the intricacies of Isreali political life, but probably have an understanding (or impression at least) better then most Americans. Israel is faced with a severe demographic crisis -- whether it will exist in another 30 to 50 years, so the idea of a Greater Israel I'm learning about, but this all depends on Arabs accepting and embracing democracy.

If I had to classify myself, I would call myself a Wilsonian democrat and a Vanderberg/Eisenhower Internationalist. Have I answered all your questions? RobS 20:52, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Re: Your third party comment. The Constitution says nothing about us being required to only have two parties, and in fact, third parties have mattered several times in American politics. And also developed into one of the "two" parties we see in our system. By the way, there is also a "rest of the world", wher there are often more refined systems that provide voice and merit to third, fourth, even fifth parties. humanbe in 20:49, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
Exactly. The de facto two party system we have in the U.S. is exactly one more than they had in Iraq. And with Clinton right of Bush, and Bush left of Clinton, on many issues, what's the difference between the two parties? None. They both lie. And, in my state at least, major candidates are often selected in (formally) smoke filled back rooms...this is freedom, the sort of freedom I give my children: You can go to bed at 8:00, or 7:00. Your choice. HeartGold tx 20:54, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
Hey, come up to Canada and see what life is like with a five party system. Conservatives (whatever they're calling the party this week), Liberals (who aren't liberal, but centerists), New Democrats (left-er), Parti Quebequois (separatists with federal candidates) and coming soon: The Greens, who have no two candidates running on the same platform! Whee! --Kels 21:00, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
(thanks by the way for taking the time) You have answered, and I will try to make some sense out of it. I don't want to get into a political debate regarding the two party system, but I do want to know what was it that made you hostile toward me? What did I do in general, or you in particular, that made you doubt me? HGHeartOfGold talk 21:37, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Well, I'm sorry if you misinterpreted it as being hostile. I however, have the primary responsibility of protecting the site. We have been attacked constantly for weeks, and your "Constitution Party" stuff was just another one. You should well know that it's called racist, etc. before you bring that garbage into Conservapedia. You seem to know alittle about Mossad, it's not credible to think you don't know about the ADL. RobS 22:06, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
I know about the ADL. But the Constitution Party is racist? Never heard that until you mentioned it as a reason (with links to articles on David Duke, who ran as a republican in 1991). So why the moniker CP? Why not NCP, or RP (for neo-con apedia or Republican Apedia)? HGHeartOfGold talk 22:09, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Even after I told you on talk, gave the link to the SPLC, [1] you still kept it on your page. This showed (a) not much of a well informed conservative, (b) not much good faith towards the Sysops running the site. And if you don't know about the SPLC, I suggest reading the link on my main user page, The Watchdogs, pgs. 78-94.[2] None of you people are fooling anyone. RobS 22:32, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
OMGz Rob, Heart is one of you guys, at least to us. And, ironically, his party userbox is perfectly welcome here. Why? Free speech? I dunno. When i say he's "one of you guys" I jest, as if you all "look alike" to me. No, thre are obviously many different stripes of conservatives, and none can lay claim to the "one" true mantle of the word. I'd bet no two "liberals" here (or anywhere) agree on more than 75% of their politics. But anyway, did I welcome you yet? If I did, let me do it again! By the way, I have been tasked with moving a couple of your articles to the "essay" space, so if you see some moving and deleting, that's all it is. I fix all links as I go, I hope I don't have to mess with your user page to do that (but I will, and apologize at the time, if necessary). In the essay space they are your signed pieces, others can only comment in "talk". In the article space everyone is free to work on the text, and I suspect Tmtoulouse wanted to protect your words this way. Cheers! humanbe in 23:11, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
I'm sorry, but I just do not agree with this. RobS 12:21, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
Hi Rob, I said many things, which do you not agree with, and why? Was it the page moving? My "welcome"? That liberals disagree amongst themselves? Please (feel free to) copy this chunk of your talk page to a new section on mine (or yours) if you want, to make disussing it easier. Thanks! humanbe in 12:53, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
"one of you guys". RobS 15:02, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
Thanks for the reply, sorry if I caught it late. I thought I pretty much explained myself on that one - us "extreme leftists" don't see much difference between HG and you. Except that HG is a bit mellower about discussing hot button topics with the "other side". PS, in the USA, I am an "extreme leftist". In Scandinavia, they'd probably think I was a conservative. In most of "Old Europe", a centrist. But, thanks for clarifying. humanbe in 20:45, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

From one of your links:

Four years ago, Perkins addressed the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), America's premier white supremacist organization, the successor to the White Citizens Councils, which battled integration in the South. In 1996 Perkins paid former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list. At the time, Perkins was the campaign manager for a right-wing Republican candidate for the US Senate in Louisiana. The Federal Election Commission fined the campaign Perkins ran $3,000 for attempting to hide the money paid to Duke.

Ironically, David Duke ran as a republican in 1991. Yet you allow user boxes for George Bush, a Republican. Even WP allows constitution party user boxes. CP is a farce, probably funded by Jimbo. If CP is not a front group for Jimbo et al, you guys are certifiably nuts. HGHeartOfGold talk 23:44, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Ok, so you've testified to the effectiveness of guilt by association smears. RobS 12:21, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
Or ineffectiveness. But mind you, it was you who brought up GBA first. I think I actually brought up the inconsistent application of guilt by association. Regarding Jimbo...pure speculation on my part. HGHeartOfGold talk 15:06, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
  • Sorry to jump in here. But I was struck by the Header above. Seems to me to be a rule violation. See the Main Page: "Any editor, regardless of past actions elsewhere, is welcome here with a clean slate. No user is unwelcome! Personal attacks and threats will result in punishment. Any users with problems may contact Colin at webmaster@rationalwiki.com". Wouldn't it be a bit higher ground to stand on once all members here start following your own rules, before calling someone else accountable for things that do not even concern (supposedly) RW? --TK/MyTalk 19:49, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

I believe HoG might be leaving anyway, but, I'll unleash mighty banning power and hit him for a minute. I think one way of solving this would be to change the header to 'let's discuss the actions of someone at CP who edits under the name of RobS, and keep it impersonal. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר שְׁלֹום! (look, no timestamp!)

You know I appreciate your sense of humor, don't you? But that suggestion must have come from Ed Poor, lol. I wouldn't even object to holding anyone to the fire for anything, except our own rules here forbid it! So, either abandon all those rules, or live up to them. I think I have heard that before, somewhere.....:p --TK/MyTalk 20:05, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Horace says...[edit]

I can't say I'm happy to see you here. --Horace 21:52, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Why's that? I only had a 50% suspiciion you were part of the cabal. Turns out your one of the proginators. RobS 22:08, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
Did you mean "progenitor"? And if so, no I am not. I was only asked here after you kicked me off Conservapedia. --Horace 22:34, 23 May 2007 (CDT)
I thought you were Helios. RobS 22:42, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

But you said Horace, Rob. So Horace is not lying. Helios could have been here first, you know! :p --TK /MyTalk 22:46, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Horace is only Horace. And Horace is unhappy with you Rob. However Horace (who has taken to referring to himself in the third person) now no longer cares to frequent Consevapedia excepting for the purposes of having a good laugh. Horace much prefers it here. --Horace 22:50, 23 May 2007 (CDT) +
I deduced, if you were not a member of the vandal cabal, you were vulnerable to recruitment. I deduced right. RobS 10:28, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
Was that comment intended to be tongue-in-cheek? If you deduced that I was vulnerable to recruitment then it seems a slightly odd move to pretty much ensure that that recruitment takes place by blocking me from CP for no good reason. --Horace 20:15, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
I think we have to disagree on the no-good-reason part; this is were CP differs from WP. Basically, edit warring w/sysops is not going to accomplish anything. Read the rules. RobS 21:21, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
As you are well aware, there was no good reason. You were reviewing whether to unblock me when you saw that TK had erased my user page and you told me that it looked like I had been "purged". I assume that at that point you were too afraid of the consequences of unblocking me. Not a red letter day for personal bravery, Rob. --Horace 22:24, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

What was the cause for your block anyway? RobS 14:00, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

1. You deleted "template:user warmhell" which I had on my user page. I replaced it. You deleted it. etc. etc.
2. You blocked me for several days.
3. I recreated the template but named it "template:user RobS".
4. You blocked me infinitely.
5. I complained.
6. You noticed that TK had removed my user and talk page and told me I had been purged.
--Horace 17:43, 27 May 2007 (CDT)
Oh, ok. As you probably know by now, failure to comply with Sysops requests is blockable in CP. Further, after your two recisions, and the recreation of that Template, I deduced you were there just to tweak the powers that be, so I figured, who needs ya, and got rid of you. Nothing personal, but seriously, who needs you under those circumstances? RobS 20:30, 27 May 2007 (CDT)
Frankly Rob, it all just goes to show what a cunt you are. Nothing personal. --Horace 21:24, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

'Ello[edit]

Welcome to the place where you are. Helios-speak to me! 23:43, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Thank you. I particulalry like the name, rationalwiki. While appearing NPOV, it sets up a good battlefield. RobS 10:29, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

moved two (?) of your essays[edit]

Just a heads up, I moved two of your essays to the essay: space, as mentioned above. If you have trouble finding them, that's whre they are. humanbe in 00:17, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Apologies for equating you with creationists. I just assumed. But it wasn't right, and it was poorly sourced, and a cheap shot :-(. But, please do not threaten me or toss around my real name too much. I prefer a small degree of anonymity.-AmesG 21:52, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Is HeartOfGold an "enemy of Conservapedia"?[edit]

Hey Rob. There's evidently been a letter circulating calling User:HeartOfGold an "enemy of conservapedia". Did you write it? If not, do you agree with it? --jtltalk 22:51, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

First I've heard of any of this stuff. "enemy of the people" sounds like a neologism of perhaps Tk's making. RobS 14:35, 27 May 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, Rob. TK and Conservative both say it wasn't TK, FWIW. --jtltalk 16:03, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Disclosure[edit]

In the interests of disclosure, I was the author of this memorandum:

From: [redacted]
Sent: [redacted]
To: [redacted]
Subject: [redacted]
User:HeartOfGold has "This user supports the _Constitution party_

(http://www.conservapedia.com/Constitution_Party_(United_States)) ." on her userpage and created the Template:User Constitution party

which I deleted. A cursory review of Wikipedia has this to say of the Constitution party, "_ Minuteman Project _

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minuteman_Project_Inc.) co-founder _Jim Gilchrist _ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gilchrist) ran for Congress ...but has since rejoined the Republicans".

Jim Gilchrist entry at WP says, "a report from the _Southern Poverty Law Center_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center) , Gilchrist willingly allowed members of the _National Alliance_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance) , one of the United States' largest _neo-Nazi_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazi) organizations, to help with his 2005 House run. Gilchrist has claimed that he refuses to work with _white supremacists_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy) , but the SPLC report questioned his sincerity."

WP says this of the Minutemen, "...proof that racist Nazi and other anti-semites were linked to and infiltrated into MMP".
WP entry at Constitution party further states, "committed religious conservatives such as _Roy Moore_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore) and the late _R. J. Rushdoony_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Rushdoony) prompted _Political Research Associates_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Research_Associates) to link the Constitution Party to the _dominionism _

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism) movement and voice concern that it advocates a form of _theocracy_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy) ."

[redacted] A check of the user Contributions to the entries of these articles reveals all the same familiar slander and smear apparatus of the WP machinery. [redacted] And this review of the evidence took me about two minutes, there is much more there.


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_(United_States)#Notab...)


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gilchrist#Criticism)


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minuteman_Project_Inc.#Renunciation_...)


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_(United_States)#Criti...)


(http://www.conservapedia.com/User:HeartOfGold)


(http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=...)

RobS

  • Well, seems as if all the unfair and damning accusations about me doing this kind of bullshit is wrong, eh? Not that I would expect anyone here to apologize for their speculations, as they were only that, "speculations", right? No malice at all. ROFL! --TK/MyTalk 00:27, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Thanks TK, you just admitted it was BS. Rob, I still don't understand why you think the way you do. Maybe you should send me an email. I did not ever edit any of the articles you listed on WP, and don't even know who some of the individuals written about are. HeartGold tx 01:07, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
  • HOG, that was a trolling remark. I spoke the truth, didn't "admit" to anything, as I have never inferred otherwise, here or anywhere else. Your continued snipes at me are hard to figure out, since I have never attacked you, or thought ill of you, other than your failing to understand my IM's. Could you please just stop your continual references to me, regarding some "plot" against you? --TK/MyTalk 01:21, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Sure, but I think I would need to know where I even intimated that you were involved in a plot against me. I am just annoyed at RobS. Jtl bet it was RobS, and I guessed that his bet was a safe bet. Turns out Jtl and I were right. The only plot you seem to be involved in is (probably unintentionally) getting under my skin. I remember, somewhere, pointing out posts on CP where you seemed to be "on my side" so to speak. E.g., I wrote "TK somewhat defended me here." HeartGold tx 01:32, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
  • And, quite respectfully, I would point out attaching such a modifier as "somewhat" is a very old debate trick used to convey actual truth, yet cast doubt at the same time. At least two weeks ago, I emailed Andy my support of your promotion. I posted as much on CP several times. I don't see what greater support I could have given you.--TK/MyTalk 01:52, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
I used an adjective to describe the cited post. I called it like I saw it. It was no debate trick. I appreciate your support. I do not expect others to go to bat for me as strongly as my own son would. HeartGold tx 02:02, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

HOG, you don't want to give up your racist and neo-nazi friends. Even here, you wore that fascist badge with pride. Sorry, but what more do we have to talk about. RobS 23:17, 29 May 2007 (CDT)


wow, there's a baseless attack. Bravo RobS, you win the dumbass award of the year. Jrssr5 07:49, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Just keep grinning. :-) Pipebomb of TruthProf0705 08:02, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

TERRORISMIST!!! --Kels 08:06, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
HE's been Truthified!!Prof0705 08:07, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Come on RobS, say it with me: "David Duke...1991...Republican" HeartGold tx 09:05, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Duke was a Dem, from what I heard. RobS 09:06, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Google is your friend. You're like Patty Hearst tossing about accusations against conservatives of being closet SLA members. Wasn't it you who, out of the two of us, was the target of internet hate watchdogs? HeartGold tx 09:14, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
What's your point? RobS 09:17, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Patty Hearst was abducted by the SLA. You were the target of internet hate watchdogs (according to what I have learned from your page). Patty Hearst ultimately robbed a bank with her abducters. You are now mimicing the internet hate watchdogs. Amazing you don't understand this, yet you accuse me of being a neo-nazi or whatever. You've been told several times that Duke ran as a republican in 1991. HeartGold tx 09:42, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
(a) So I have Stockholm Syndrom? (b) I'm doing my job as Director of Internal Counterintelligence (c) you are the one who has self-identified with neo-nazis (d) I still don;t understand the reference to Duke. RobS 09:47, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Somehow, finding out that Conservapedia has counterintelligence doesn't surprise me much. (There's a obvious pun I could make, but why bother?) --Gulik 15:22, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

<--- I must have missed something, when did HoG self-identify with neo-nazis? And the reference has to do with him running as a republican in some elections, and as he's a former KKK Grand Wizard, it's appropriate. Jrssr5 09:50, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

When? [3] RobS 10:13, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
I still fail to see how they are a neo-nazi group. Are you confusing them with their offshoot America First? Jrssr5 10:22, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Read the above declassified e-mail. RobS 10:27, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Is there a link to it, or are you referring to the email you wrote. And I didn't realize you were an OCA with the authority to classify and declassify things. I'm impressed. Jrssr5 11:09, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
According to WP, Duke has ran under both Dem and GOP parties, so now almost everyone in the US is a neo-nazi supporter. Of course, since WP is 6 times more liberal than everything else I think this means that he was actually a libertarian?! olliegrind 09:55, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Duke was repudiated by the President of the United States and the RNC, who actively supported the Democrat in that election. The GOP has a long, proud tradition of advocating the rights of African-Americans, particulalry in the South, which is why local GOP organizations, such as the one Duke infiltrated, are virtually non-existent in some parts of the country. Chicago and the Eastern United States are other examples, where GOP candidates are virtual carbon copies of Democrats, pro-life pro-choice Guiliani, Spectre, Jeffords are clear examples. Yes, where single party rule under Democrat machines exist, infiltration from subversives is always a problem. But the fact that the President of the United States repudiated a local candidate is far more important a story than a recycled Democrat who didn't have access to the local Democrat machine and failed in the General election anyway.
And if the name of the game is slander & smear, as several editors now seem to be articulating, the DNC (National, that is, not a local appartatus), has it's share of bigots, too. Hollings, Jackson, Moran, we don't have to look far. Some hold national office and/or are prominent national spokespeople for their party, and we don't hear repudiation of their views. But it all begs the question, what ultimatley is to be gained if we decide to go down this path? RobS 10:12, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Good thing Strom Thurmond wasn't in the GOP ever. Jrssr5 10:22, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
You're information is outdated; Strom has African-American family members. Time to start rethinking Strom's legacy. RobS 10:27, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
P.S. in 1957, when Strom set the record for the longest filibuster on record opposing a Civil Rights Bill, he did it as a Democrat. RobS 10:30, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
And Hitler may have had some Jews in his family. What's the point?Prof0705 10:34, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Presumably, that Hitler was a flaming lib'rul. --Kels 10:41, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Time to rethink "Strom's" legacy indeed. Turns out he was a racist even though he had black family members. And...Director of Internal Counterintelligence? Diabhal 10:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

It seems as though alot of slave owners had black family members. That is if rape babies are considered family.Prof0705 10:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Ultimately, how is history to remember Strom Thurmond? Yes indeed, Thomas Jefferson has surviving Black kinfolk to this day. RobS 11:01, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I remember him as a deliberate distraction from the fact that you called Heart a friend of "racist and neo-nazi"s, and that he "wore that fascist badge with pride." Them's some pretty powerful memories, it seems like only yesterday. --Kels 11:07, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
I've got Irish heritage, I guess that makes me a member of the IRA. --Kels 10:57, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Hey Kels, me too...worse my username is an Irish word. I am so going to hell. Diabhal 10:59, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

So it seems the main point is that many political parties have had 'bad' people in their ranks at one point or another, but this does not necessarily make someone who supports that party a supporter of the 'bad' person specifically.olliegrind 11:08, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

It only does when it helps your argument for proving someone wrong. Jrssr5 11:09, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Comrade, help me![edit]

  • Why does everyone here refuse to follow their own rules? Why don't you accede to my reasonable demands? Why are you all so confused about how to follow rules? Make me a sysop! Bet you thought this was someone else. humanbe in 22:21, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Scumbag?[edit]

Such language, Rob. Flippin;-) 16:53, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Something to do with CP RobS?[edit]

Is this guy same as CP RobS? --Aulis Eskola 18:04, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

CP sysop RobS is doing what he wants. Banning without explanations. (This is ofcource like it is supposed to be in CP?!)

I am not weeping for my account in CP, but I am still little suprised beacause of sysops behaviour there. I am confused about net community without any working order and functioning leadership (typical larger wiki communities which I have seen have those). --Aulis Eskola 18:42, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

That funny, we don't have "any working order and functioning leadership" here, either. But we are a lot more fun. heck with pizza, we have goats! and buttsex! and Helena Bonham Carter! humanbe in 21:22, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
Needs more HBC. --HBC, bitches

Check this out! ~~ C®acker 22:56, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Yes, I did think it odd to get an email (supposedly from Rob) asking me to add him to our group with another email address, because, the email said, he couldn't access his regular one. I almost did, until I realized the address given was an old sock account email from Flippin! LMAO --TK/MyTalk 02:01, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't think it came from me, and if it did, someone accessed my account without permission. Email me there again if that is where you got the email from. I would appreciate knowing if someone has accessed my personal information. Thank you, Flippin;-) 12:26, 11 June 2007 (CDT)