User talk:LArron/Archive4

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LArron is a dumbass.[edit]

Stop fucking with my work! (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

API etiquette[edit]

How much throttling do you recommend when using a mediawiki API? Occasionaluse (talk) 05:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't make more than one query per second - but for CP, it's at most one query per 10 seconds: otherwise you will run into 503 errors. --larron (talk) 08:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Occasionaluse (talk) 13:40, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Super simple benchmark says you can squeeze a little more out of both of them.
Average GET for 0.07837 seconds
Average GET for 0.90792 seconds

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 02:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

That's the upper bound for the speed - but there is something else going on at Conservapedia: if I made too many queries in too short a time at Conservapedia, I was banned from watching it for hours or days...
--larron (talk) 08:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

For updating RW:AU! (I'm not that interested in the other sites. :)) --ZooGuard (talk) 08:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Uncommon Descent[edit]

How in the world did you find all of those statistics about UD? Peter mqzp 09:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I wrote a bot which crawled their threads and then I compiled the stats. I hope you like them! --larron (talk) 20:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi LArron, would it be possible for you to make new versions of the four graphs in the "History" section of Citizendium? The graphs are a year old now. Granted CZ is almost dead, but I think it creates a better impression to the reader if we have more up to date graphs.

And while I am asking for favors - could you make the charts in blue or green instead of yellow? Some of us are getting on in years and find strongly contrasting colors are helpful. Thanks for all the chart-magic you do around here! Doctor Dark (talk) 01:27, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

RationalWiki:Active users[edit]

Any chance of a new update? The last month covered is July. *pleading cat eyes* --ZooGuard (talk) 11:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I updated the page - but I have to check the data, seems to be a little bit to optimistic... --larron (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, had to undo my edits: something went wrong... --larron (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Done, found the mistake - I used the wrong cut-off date, but now rejoice, RW:AU is up to date! ... --larron (talk) 13:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I see OsakaSun has managed to dethrone Proxima Centauri. :)--ZooGuard (talk) 13:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Conservapedia:Active users[edit]

Thanks for maintaining this page. I noticed there are some errors in October: the page says Brenden, Regular, AmerICan, Danq, EJamesW (and perhaps others) made 0 edits, while this is not true. Open minded (talk) 12:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

indeed, it isn't. Well, data-gathering at Conservapedia is a bitch, and I never thought that I had to handle numbers so small in these tables: thank you for checking the values, I think I could correct the mistakes. --larron (talk) 13:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

RW Predictions[edit]

Please can you do that thing that you do and see if this prediction came true or not, so we can update. Ta muchly. --PsyGremlinHable! 07:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Conservapedia in 2013
month: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct
#revisions: 6240 5098 6424 6065 4232 4951 3326 3454 1563 1444
#Ken's revisions³: 669 536 690 808 1176 1342 1118 1997 255 297
#other revisions: 5571 4562 5734 5257 3056 3609 2208 1457 1308 1147
#edits still in the database¹: 6178 4876 5919 5792 4139 4673 2689 2708 1405 1256
#editors² 416 325 197 287 291 234 147 81 49 68

¹: these numbers may vary over time ²: the actual number may be (a little bit) higher, as edits get deleted ³: these numbers may be higher than those in Conservapedia:Active users, as deleted edits are included here.

So, whatever metric you want to use, Sep 2013 was worse than Jul 2013 - but so is Oct 2013. --larron (talk) 08:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

You sir, as always, are the honey maker's leg joints. PsyGremlinPraat! 08:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, you are to kind! BTW: I assume that the number of revisions without counting Ken's contributions will go on to decline - while it is hard to make predictions including Ken's erratic but possibly dominating frenzies of editing (see amended table above). --larron (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Please sir[edit]

Can I have some graphs? Occasionaluse (talk) 18:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Rest assured: There will be pictures :-) --larron (talk) 10:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Any possibilities of also updating some of the Citizendium graphs? CZ is basically comatose, but it would be nice to update the article once or twice a year for appearance sake. Doctor Dark (talk) 16:10, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


I'm curious to see what days of the week have the most editors/edits on RationalWiki. I suspect Sunday is the busiest day. Do you think you could make a graph for this? Of course, I can't pay you. And I totally understand if you tell me to fuck off. I am certainly not demanding you work for free. --"Shut up, Brx." 17:15, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

No, the busiest day is Thursday...

--larron (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Very cool, thank you. What time zone did you use?--"Shut up, Brx." 02:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Neat graph, always wondered about this. Brx -- it sez "GMT" in the lower right corner. Doctor Dark (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Your are welcome! Just for completion:

RationalWiki 2014
Conservapedia 2014
Citizendium 2014

--larron (talk) 09:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


I appreciate all the work you put into the graphs. Kudos to you sir. Acei9 08:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! --larron (talk) 08:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Another request[edit]

Would it be possible to see a list of the number of main space edits per day on CP going back, say, 90 days, minus the edits of Martinez and Conservative? Many thanks in advance. TeenageWasteland (talk) 00:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll do so in the first days of May when I'll have gathered the data for April (correct use of Future II?) . --larron (talk) 09:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

An queshun[edit]

Where do you get the data for all the stuff? DØØM MĖSSIÅH Wired were the eyes of a horse on a jet pilotDolan.png 08:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I have a little bot crawling Conservapedia, gathering revisions and logs. --larron (talk) 10:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Nice. Sounds pretty interesting. Do you have to know much technological voodoo, or does the thingy do that for you? DØØM MĖSSIÅH Wired were the eyes of a horse on a jet pilotDolan.png 10:46, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Not much technological voodoo, just a little bit of perl - yes, I wrote the thingies myself. --11:19, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


breathtaking, amazing, stunning, astounding, astonishing, awe-inspiring, stupendous, staggering, extraordinary, incredible, unbelievable

Your graphs! Scream!! (talk) 14:51, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes indeed. Thank you for your efforts. Aboriginal Noise (talk) 13:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
That's very kind of you: Thank you very much! *blushes* --larron (talk) 08:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


I think something has messed up. DØØM MĖSSIÅH Wired were the eyes of a horse on a jet pilotDolan.png 08:20, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, I have messed it up - the last columns showed the first edits of May. I hope it's all right now... --08:27, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. It's looking great! Must take ages, and we all appreciate your efforts. DØØM MĖSSIÅH Wired were the eyes of a horse on a jet pilotDolan.png 08:30, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Ages? No, not any more. --larron (talk) 08:42, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Bubble Chart tool[edit]

Longtime viewer first time poster. Can I just ask what programme do you use to create those wonderful Bubble Charts? I've been asked for something similar but haven't had much luck in finding something suitable. Thanks in advance --Meltwaterfalls (talk) 11:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your compliments!

I got the idea for the bubble charts from the d3.js project. I wasn't completely satisfied with the arrangement of the bubbles, and I'd prefer to have a realization in R, so I wrote the R-function myself, which for a vector of radii provides me with vectors of x- and y-coordinates for the centers of the bubbles. I sometimes provide additional information in the pictures by using a variation of R's pie-chart, allowing for various radii and centers:
original pic using pie charts
Bubbles-cp-2013-edits.png Bubbles-cp-2013-logs.png My first implementation seemed to take the same short-cuts as d3.js's: every new bubble is added preferably touching the previous bubble (or the bubble before). The obvious advantage is speed
Bubbles-opt-ordered-RationalWiki-2014-1.png Bubbles-opt-ordered-ns-RationalWiki-2013-1.png Then, I tried an algorithm which added each bubble as close to the center of the picture (resp. the first bubble) as possible. Especially, when the bubbles are ordered by size, the effect is somewhat pleasing. But this takes some time, a pure R program runs for a couple of minutes for perhaps 100 bubbles at my machine.
Rw-100-2008-all-ns.svg Bubbles-var-ordered-ns-1-RationalWiki-2014-02.svg The last version allows for various groups of bubbles: each new bubble is place as near as possible to the gravitational center of the bubbles of its group which are already on display. To do this in a realistic time, I implemented parts of the program in C.

At the moment, the bubbles are realized as polygons in the graphs - which bloats the svg-s. I intend to create a version, which creates svg-s directly, but I just haven't found the time.

At the core of the algorithms lies a simple geometrical insight: the center of a circle with radius , which touches two circles and with radii and centers lies at the intersection of the two circles with radii and centered at . This results in a quadratic equation for the new coordinates.

I don't know of anyone else who has created such graphs using R, but I don't think that I'm the first one to do so. --larron (talk) 17:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Brilliant, it was what I both assumed and feared, my forays into R have proved a little beyond my limited capabilities thus far, but seeing what can be created means I will be redoubling my efforts. Thanks again Meltwaterfalls (talk) 08:40, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Don't mean to be annoying little shit…[edit]

But can we please have some more of that RW:AU action? Brutal \m/ESSIAH 04:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Wow, No. 3 seems to be quite eager... :-) --larron (talk) 08:37, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Thnx m8. Brutal \m/ESSIAH 11:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)