Category talk:Jews

Do you guys like Jews? Because I know liberals tend to be a bit iffy about them. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Do you like liberals? because I know right-wing trolls tend to be a bit iffy about them. Sophie^Wilder 19:23, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

In b4 something about Israel. Щєазєюіδ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:30, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

How do you like your Jews in the morning? Balaam (talk) 20:54, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I like mine with a kiss. Boiled or fried, I'm satisfied, as long as I get my kiss. ωεαşεζøίɗ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:03, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Again, being against the Israeli government's Gaza policies is not the same thing as being antisemitic. Of course you'll find stupid people, but they aren't the "tendency." Blue (is useful) 21:14, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Well in my case it's more about ideology than race. Liberal isn't really a term I like because it's one that has been twisted out of shape by both the right and the left until today it's basically a noise that modern conservatives use to describe anything they don't like, not unlike "troll." As such, I prefer the term "leftist", so to revise your original question, do I like leftists? Erm, naaaahhh. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 02:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

"Because I know liberals tend to be a bit iffy about them." Wait, what? Nailed a retread to my feet and prayed for better weather. 02:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

JFG. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Jewish_Voices --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 02:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

So we have ascertained that not all Jews think exactly alike. That is an earth-shattering revelation. I am not sure I understand your point beyond that. Nailed a retread to my feet and prayed for better weather. 03:03, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure Let Them Eat Cake even has a point. He/she certainly hasn't said anything coherent yet. Blue (pester) 03:24, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Basically, I meant that I shouldn't have used the term "liberal." --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 12:50, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Race vs religion

Currently we seem to include both. (For example, Ayn Rand was a Jewish atheist and Albert Einstein was ambivalent.) We don't have a Category:Blacks or Category:Asians or Category:Whites, and I think that's good. Categorizing people based on race is something Metapedia does, since it thinks race really matters; since we don't, I don't think categorizing people based on race makes sense, especially since there's never a reason anyone would want to use this category. Instead, I think this category should be like Category:Christians, in that it is only about religion. (Alternatively, we should categorize everyone by race.) αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 23:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I think we should remove non-practicing Jews from the list. We don't have categories for whites, blacks, Asians, etc. It's ethnicity among many others, I don't see why it's relevant to point out it on every article. Maybe we should include secular jewish that were presecuted because of their ethnicitym but in my opinion that's all. What do you guys think? GeeJayK (talk) 16:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I'd agree. The category has little index value in relation to the site's mission. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 16:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I removed the category from all non-practicing Jews’ pages on the 17th of June 2017 and there weren’t any objections, people have created new pages or readded the category to existing ones since then. Christopher (talk) 16:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Most people should be able to go into Category:Judaism (rabbis, prophets, etc), Category:Israel, Category:Israeli politics, or Category:Jewish extremism, if ethnicity or religion is relevant. Grouping everybody by race is something only weird people do (and Wikipedia, if that isn't the same thing). Maybe I'm biased because I tend not to look at categories much, but can anyone suggest a good reason for this? --Annanoon (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Christopher can you please do this again? I think everyone agrees with us, and I just don't have time to edit the Wiki. GeeJayK (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I made a token start with Bernie Sanders (one of the few I wouldn’t have to look up to check) but was reverted by @Tuxer, will do it in earnest tomorrow. Christopher (talk) 21:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

If we are going to keep the category then it should include all jewish people, otherwise it would be accepting the jewish orthodox/fundamentalist definition of who is a jew. Plus, judaism is not like islam or christianity but it's an ethnoreligion. So, either delete the category or accept all people who have converted or grew up jewish.–Tuxer (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tuxer That doesn't mean that both can be considered and analyzed separated. The ethnic origin of a secular jew doesn't mean anything to the mission of this site, just like being being white alone is irrelevant to any article. Nonetheless being batshit crazy like Ovadia Yosef means a lot. Also, someone that converted to judaism and holds fringe views qualifies as a jew, despite not being an ethinic jew. Why is it relevant to say that a devoted atheist like Ayn Rand was a jew? Maybe people will change their minds with your comment, but as far as I understand we have so far four votes for the removal of the category, so if no one else says anything I think we should do it. If that happens and you still believe that the category should be deleted, you can nominate it for deletion, of course. GeeJayK (talk) 18:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Make that three votes, I don’t have much of an opinion either way. Can see the argument that it’d be weird not to put the subjects of antisemitic conspiracy theories (who are often non-religious) in the category, or secular Israeli politicians. Christopher (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)