RationalWiki talk:Moderator elections/Election booth/Archive5

??? update please

could someone who knows the dates update the bit at the top that reads "Elections open June 29th at 7pm PST. Elections close July 5, 7pm PST" thanks Hamster (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

For the single transferable vote...

...how do we determine which votes make up the "surplus" that will be re-distributed? Random selection? Order the people cast their ballots (metaphorical, of course)? Immortality's fun, except when you become a two-headed monster ^{Talk to me} 01:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

All votes are transferred at a fraction of their previous value, the fraction being calculated as the number of votes above the "quota" required to elect a candidate divided by the total number of votes received by that candidate. Check out wp:STV. rpeh •T•C•E• 09:47, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Help, help, I'm being repressed

Shouldn't the booth be open for voting now, as it's already 10am (GMT) on 30 December. Генгис^{Gum disease} 09:57, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

It's a blatant attempt to boost the Republican vote. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

You've beaten me to it, Khant. OPEN THE POLLS! My army of velociraptors is waiting. Immortality's fun, except when you become a two-headed monster ^{Talk to me} 23:20, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Voter registration

This is very last-minute, but whoever holds the keys to the election booth doesn't seem to have noticed the voting should have started yet. I think it makes sense to use the voter registration list we have for the RWF Board of Trustees for this and future mod elections. Since both the mod and Board elections use the same extension, presumably this would be simple to implement. Does anyone agree? Blue (is useful) 00:09, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Our intention is not to have the mod election app be on-wiki. It will probably be on the rationalweb.org server. I have no idea why in the world you want to change a thing about how an RW election works. Oh yes I do. You're you. 00:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Calm down. How was I to know the Board is changing things around this time? There was no public indication. Blue (is useful) 00:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what either of you are talking about, but AFAIK no plans to change the voting method in the moderator election have been made public on-wiki. Voter registration was announced as something specifically for the Board election, & while a few people have made tentative suggestions that it could also be used for mod elections, that has not been agreed. To unexpectedly change voting requirements at the point when polls open would not seem fair. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 02:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

That's what I'm talking about. If you look at the list of registered RWF voters, you'll see that there is a number of people who don't log in all that regularly. I would expect the same to be true of moderator voters. Those people are relying on things being exactly as they were told they'd be. It's not fair to introduce a new requirement within a day or days of polls opening. Those people are part of the very reason we hold our votes open for as long as we do. So I'm talking about fairness, as I usually am when it comes to proposed changes in policy. 02:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

The ability to use voter registration is not setup yet. Tmtoulouse (talk) 01:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Here's how I intend for it to work. This is subject to Trent's approval so obviously may change. It's going to be a system that uses the email address you have associated with your registered RW account, so when we get closer to the election you'll be requested to enable that. You may as well do that now. You'll receive randomly generated login credentials at your registered email address to use to log into a site where you can cast your votes as you wish. The interface is a simple web form with a pulldown for each rank, essentially identical to what we've got on the wiki. Once you've submitted your ballot, your account will be locked and no changes will be permitted. Be careful. The app will not validate for the presence of a single vote, as you're allowed to do whatever you wish, include cast an empty ballot. We haven't settled on what other validations, like uniqueness of votes, it may impose. The app generates a ballot for each voter, which will be stored in the database and from which we will generate a formatted report to run through our STV software. The app will also contemporaneously generate a separate text file as a sort of "paper backup" for each ballot in case of database problems. 02:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you going to tell us any more information at the end of the process beyond simply who won? I take it that you're not going to release the ballots, but people like to know if they only just lost out or whatever. Peter ^{Subsisting on honey} 03:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I got no problem with that but it's not up to me. I think Trent's made the raw file available in the past. 03:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Update: It's a silly waste of time to code a separate system for generating random login names when your email address will already be associated with your ballot in the database file and paper tape. I'll only be generating random passwords so you can access voting booth. Your email address will only be associated with your raw ballot in the database to aid in ensuring the integrity of the vote. We will then generate a file to run through our STV software from the database. Just as with the moderator election, it will not contain any identifying information. Cuddles, 17:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

This is the moderator election page you're commenting on. Are you actually talking about the board election? Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:59, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

So are we voting...

...or do I need to call in the UN observers? Theory of Practice "Now we stand outcast and starving 'mid the wonders we have made." 00:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll get out the weapon of guillotine. Immortality's fun, except when you become a two-headed monster ^{Talk to me} 00:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Call Trent or David Gerard. They're the ones with the keys. 00:32, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Après eux, le déluge. Theory of Practice "Now we stand outcast and starving 'mid the wonders we have made." 00:40, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Jimmy Carter called, he can't make it this year, (I think it's the hemorrhoids again!). 15:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC) C®ackeЯ

The extension had not been upgraded since the latest round of software updates. Tmtoulouse (talk) 02:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh look

Bots can still vote. -- Nx / talk 07:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it was ever agreed that they wouldn't. However, we no longer appear to have a clear record anywhere of what the voting requirements are supposed to be, since they're no longer tied to the requirements for the RW board elections. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 13:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Considering some folks turn themselves into a bot when they want to hide what they are doing even for silly reasons, it's not clear why this a problem, unless, of course, Nx is going to be a problem, which is always possible. sterile^{sporadic heavy hitter} 13:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

You know, there are people in the world who run their lives by something call an "honour code," or sometimes "morality." Basically, this means that they refrain from doing things that are against the rules, even when the possibility for doing those things and not getting caught presents itself. I'm not sure what the word is that would describe somebody who so lacks in such a quality that he'd be willing to violate the rules for something as low-stakes as an election for a largely powerless post at a largely marginal site on the Internet, but I'm pretty sure it's not a nice one. So how 'bout it Nx, what kind of person do you think would even bother to see if her/his bot could vote when she/he knew that bots shouldn't be voting, and is it worth our time to concern ourselves with the action of someone so petty as to do so? Theory of Practice "Now we stand outcast and starving 'mid the wonders we have made." 13:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Meh, overall I'd say that Nx's antics are cute envelope pushing things that might be needed to point out that the truly nefarious could exploit our weaknesses if they so desired. (I mean, what if Zombie TK showed up?) That said, I concur with ToP, that maybe once the thought of "hey, what happens if I push the Big Red Button" you simply decide it's not worth finding out since to do so ruins what (little) respect you might still have here. Conversely if you want cannot control yourself and absolutely have to push said Button you might not wish to brag about it. C®ackeЯ 15:40, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Nah, just teasing you. -- Nx / talk 17:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Nx is a dick. What did you expect? Aceⁱ⁹ 02:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Well I was expecting you to stand again. rpeh •T•C•E• 22:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Who won??

So who won the moderators election? Refugee^{talk page} 01:48, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Who cares. Bunch of hopeless freaks anyway. Aceⁱ⁹ 01:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Watch it, buddy. sterile^{sporadic heavy hitter} 01:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Screw you, the mods have no power. Aceⁱ⁹ 02:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)