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Antisemitism

Well, you could just file everything the antisemitic cheerleader mona posts under antisemitism. Like suggesting that jews were not expelled in hundreds of thousands from the Arabic countries even though compelling evidence suggests otherwise. ^{— Unsigned, by: 178.202.62.72 / talk / contribs}

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Jewish lobby

Under "Left wing antisemitism", there is this claim: "Talk of a "Jewish lobby" and its supposed or real influence on the governments of the West is also a frequent antisemitic trope employed by leftists." So does even the mention of such a lobby itself become antisemitic? Jewish and pro-Israel lobby groups do exist (at least in the US, but probably other Western countries too, I'm not familiar). I realize of course that this can be pushed into antisemitic territory (such as in the Zionist Occupied Government canard), but this seems like a bit of an overreach.Mcc1789 (talk) 08:05, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

If there is a lobby supporting the interests of Israel seeking economic and military aid and it seems to call attention to the interests of American Jews, and is open about its composition, then it is a Jewish lobby. Such a phrase is thus neutral. This is as neutral as calling a group such as the National Rifle Association a "gun lobby". Pbrower2a (talk) 23:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Joyce Ireland quote

There's this quote from a character in the Ulysses, which I found interesting the first time I read it: "Ireland, they say, has the honour of being the only country which never persecuted the jews [...] Because she never let them in". (https://www.online-literature.com/james_joyce/ulysses/2/). As far as I can tell Ireland has indeed persecuted jews and Joyce is more depicting than supporting antisemitism. I find it interesting mostly because the quote is from a renown piece of literature, it predates WW2 and shows how widespread antisemitism was. I haven't even read the whole Ulysses, so I'm letting someone else judge if and how it's worth including it in the article. --176.247.191.213 (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Philosemitism as a form of antisemitism?

"Jacques Berlinerblau's lecture distinguished different types of philo-Semitism, mindful that admiration for Jews may be based on motivations that run the gamut from sinister to pragmatic to altruistic." to be brief, "philosemitism" arose as a pejorative in Germany to describe the positive prejudice towards Jews; in other words, a philosemite is a "Jew-lover" or "Jew-friend". An obvious analogy would be the Civil war period term "--Lover" meaning a white man who was friendly with Black people. The Philosemitism section is just wrong (fakakta).UncleKrampus (talk) 21:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's any actual sources for this (IIRC it came up in a comment on a Reddit post), but I recall recently reading that the Japanese reaction when they first read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was less "OMG, Jews are a dangerous menace to society, we need to get rid of them" and more "OMG, these Jews are geniuses at economics and administrative tasks, how do we strike up an alliance with them and/or get them working with/for us?" It got to the point where a small enclave of Jewish settlers was enthusiastically tolerated within Japan's borders. The reason why this happened was in part due to Japan's isolationism and lack of familiarity with European culture meaning that their culture wasn't suffused with antisemitism; since they were relatively ambivalent on the subject of Jews, they took the traits of the stereotypical "Evil Jew" at face value and saw them as positive qualities to be harnessed for the good of Japan rather than negative qualities to be squashed and stamped out. Again, I'm fuzzy on the details of this, and I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it's certainly interesting, especially if it's true. --Luigifan18 (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Conceptual confusion and article quality

This article seems conceptually confused, as it covers antizionism while at the same time taking pains to point out that the two are not the same. Furthermore, the diverse forms and motivations of the antizionist movement are glossed over as "left-wing." You would be hard pressed to call the Orthodox Jewish antizionists or Hamas as "left-wing," would you? The article also describes acts of militancy as being antisemitic when that motivation is questionable, especially in light of the statement that antizionism and antisemitism are not the same. Why the arbitrary confusion of militant antizionism with militant antisemitism then? This same section also contains unsourced statements of dubious nature. Carthage (talk) 13:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome to try and fix the page. I think that part of the problem is that antisemitism and antizionism are often conflated in real life, so it's hard to describe one without describing the other. Bongolian (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)