Talk:BX Protocol

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So what is it?

Mitochondrial disease is indeed a real affliction, and may cause a wide variety of symptoms, but to claim that it's the root cause of most disease is completely unproven and simply ludicrous.

• It is simply ludicrous to say there is no possibility of a connection between mitochondrial dysfunction and chronic disease. Loss of function in the mitochondria can result in fatigue and other symptoms commonly reported in almost every chronic disease (Nicolson, 2013). While research in this area is ongoing, it would be irresponsible to completely dismiss these claims as ludicrous until proven otherwise. Visit http://www.immed.org/MASTER%20DOCUMENTS%2008.23.2013/Mito_Dysfunction-NicolsonATHD13.pdf which also has over a hundred references that provide insight on mitochondrial dysfunction, some relating to chronic disease.

For treatment they've got an "energized non-toxic biomolecule created from pure crystalline fructose

• That is correct. Just because the author doesn’t understand the technology behind the electrostatic charging process, does not mean that the molecule is not scientific. The charged molecule is "charged through electron depletion”, which is a valid scientific construct. Fructose is used as a carrier as it exploits the metabolic pathways of the cell and microorganisms.

• Again, did the author pay attention to the website? Treatment does not consist of the BX Energy Catalyst alone. Members have the option of receiving a Home-Based Treatment Program or a Hybrid Treatment Program. In addition to the BX Energy Catalyst, home based members receive intensive and effective home-based support 24/7. This includes virtual tools, the ability to contact affiliates, case management, and more. The Hybrid Treatment Program provides all the benefits of the Home-Based Program plus the option of on-site treatment by a trained and certified clinical affiliate. Visit http://bxprotocol.com/programs.php

• Yes, treating medical conditions with crystalline fructose doesn’t sound logical. Of course comprehending how the BX Energy Catalyst functions is a complex process that is not yet entirely understood. Studies on the BX Energy Catalyst are attempting to understand how the frequency chamber alters the electrostatic energy between the atoms nucleus and the surrounding electronic charge density. This is an area that needs more explanation and research, but it does not mean they are only using sugar water to treat disease. Visit http://bxprotocol.com/bxenergycatalyst.php

One page also mentions that it is homeopathic, and in a video ozone therapy is dropped, neither of which has any relation to the explanation above.

• Did the author actually comprehend what they referenced? The product does not claim to be homeopathic. The source cited states the preparations could be viewed as homeopathic because of dilution factors, but clarifies it is not. Additionally, the video attached to the source cited in this article actually provides evidence the product is not homeopathic. Around 6:41, the video states, “Some people may mistakenly think that this is a homeopathic reaction because the preparation is dilute.”

• Again, if you are going to use something as your reference, you may want to make sure you actually understand what was being said. Around 1:22 the video identifies other oxidative therapies that employ the use of singlet oxygen such as peroxide and ozone therapies but goes on to explain how the BX protocol is different from these therapies.

So, is the BX Protocol the new paradigm in medicine or a bunch of technobabble with a dash of woo? Can it be said with 100% certainty in accordance with current scientific standards that it meets the criteria established by modern medicine? No. It’s true, it can’t. But what can be said is that based on the information presented by both sides, there isn’t enough evidence to prove it is pseudoscience, technobabble, or woo. So, at the end of the day, this page did nothing but show that more research is needed. It also showed that you have to pay attention to the sources referenced since the author on the page may have taken information out of context. Yes, it’s a Wiki page, what do you expect? Well, you made it to the end of constructive dialogue. Go ahead and grab another beverage of your choice, you earned it.

--IsItFactual? (talk) 17:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

It has been discredited repeatedly. Several people are now in jail for defrauding patients, and one for second degree murder after people died. Something that works 100% of the time in a fairly quick fashion is extremely easy to prove correct in any academic hospital in the nation for the last 40+ years, which would make the person who proved it wealthy and internationally famous, yet no one who has sold the product has done so. It's there to make a buck off of people in desperate need...and anyone who does so should be locked up. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

What has been discredited repeatedly and by who? Who is in jail for defrauding patients and who was charged with murder? From what I see, the company does not claim it works 100% of the time (see above), nor has anyone been arrested for fraud or murder. Are you referring to the BX Protocol or something else?--IsItFactual? (talk) 18:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

These are all on the wiki page in public view. If you can't answer the first criticisms on the wiki page for the person you are extolling, why bother with this conversation? It's like having a conversation about cars with someone that doesn't know what an internal combustion engine is. No wonder people keep rehashing his crap in new decades to fleece people who think they are really smart...but don't know the basics of what they are going on about. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 14:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Wow. . .relax. Perhaps you think I am thick headed, but if you look back at your initial comment, you said "It has been discredited" and then went on to talk about murder. . .I may be slow, but I think it was an honest question. Who the hell were you referring to? If you are referring to the BX Protocol, where is your evidence? I can assume you were referring to Royal Rife when speaking about being discredited, but I wanted to clarify...maybe using the word "it" to respond to a talk page that has many comments isn't the best way to go about creating true understanding. Then, maybe I wouldn't have needed a roadmap to understand your point. On that note, while I understand your viewpoint, a Wiki page doesn't prove it is true. Independent research proves points to me. . .like the fact that he is controversial, not discredited. But hey, we can agree to disagree on that one. As for your babble about murder, you'll have to provide some additional info for this thick headed gal. But hey, thanks for engaging in constructive dialogue. Its been real.--IsItFactual? (talk) 17:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Inventor of the BX Protocol, "Dr" Smith, also has a sideline in allegedly therapeutic electronic-devices, which he claims he has developed with assistance from Ex-NASA scientists. In reality the cure-all contraptions he sells,(at inflated prices), are manufactured in China. These devices emit the same Ka-band radio-frequency as a police radar speed gun.

It has been represented that Energenetix buys cheap china technology and then inflates the price. A little research showed that Energenetix does purchase enclosure units from China in the interest of saving money for its clients - wow, how thoughtless of them. However all of the circuitry and research that goes into the “empty box” has originated from research conducted by seasoned engineers and researchers employed by Energenetix or related companies. The technologies are only available to certified affiliates or Delta members. I find it hard to believe people will complain about the cost of Energenetix's equipment, which cost between $4,000-$12,000, yet no one seems to be upset by the fact that X-ray radiation therapy machines cost $3 million each. These machines are far more expensive and their good for is tumor promotion in the periphery. (A study conducted at the UCLA Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center (UJCCC) describes how radiation treatments actually promote malignancy in cancer cells instead of eradication - do some research!)

Further research shows Delta Technologies include more than ka bands. ka band is simply a frequency range covers the frequencies of 26.5–40 GHz. Depending on the amplitute and the use of the pulse cycle. If you are interested on the effect of the ka band on Bacterial Mutagenesis, we recommend searching the literature.

Some of their research is based on the use of X, KU, K, and ka rf bands.

They have developed 8 medical technologies in total covering the following ranges:

• High Frequency (HF) 3-30 MHz
• Very High Frequency (VHF) 30-300 MHz
• Ultra High Frequency (UHF) 300-3000 MHz
• Ultra Sound: 580 kHz
• Multi Wave Oscillation (700 hz-300 MHz)

Anyone can review the literature to explore the use of these ranges in bacterial inactivation, gene transcription munipulation, etc.IsItFactual? (talk) 18:46, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

More fevered ranting

POINT BY POINT REBUTTAL

1. You claim that BX is a Cure All?: Their site only list the word “cure” twice with reference to the concept of cure. I can’t find a single claim on their site that suggests that they are claiming that the BX is a “cure all”. It is apparent that they provide support in several pathologies with good success, but your suggestion that they are representing their products or services as a “cure all” is false and blatantly fabricated.

2. You claim that Royal Rife was a discredited scientist? The facts: In 1934, the University of Southern California appointed a Special Medical Research Committee to bring 16 terminal cancer patients from Pasadena County Hospital to Rife's San Diego Laboratory and clinic for treatment. The team included doctors and pathologists assigned to examine the patients, if still alive, in 90 days. After the 3 months of treatment, the Committee concluded that 14 of the patients had been completely cured. The treatment was then adjusted and the remaining 2 also were cured within the next 4 weeks. On November 20, 1931, forty-four of the nation's most respected medical authorities honored Royal Rife with a banquet billed as "The End To All Diseases" at the Pasadena estate of Dr. Milbank Johnson. He was never discredited, unless you consider your type of disinformation “discrediting”.

3. You claim it helps to support several diseases. That is correct.

4. You claim that the only claims missing here are bigger penis and more miles per gallon kilometres to the litre. Actually, there are several cases that mention an improvement with libido and sexual dysfunction. Moreover, the site only discusses effects in a hand full of pathologies.

5. You claim that Dr. Smith received his degree from a degree mill. Upon further examination we find that The Bio-Science program (PhD.) at Canterbury University required 92 credits + a 4 year degree and is considered more rigorous than most programs.

6. You claim that Dr. Smith was arrested. This claim is false. Dr. Smith was “ticketed” in 2002 for protesting a beef and poultry contamination. The protest was aimed at a food chain and the USDA. When refusing to leave the property, he was written a ticket and released. This type of misdemeanor required a “mug shot” under plea in abeyance. NO ARREST NO CONVICTION. Dr. Smith offers no apologies and is very proud of his actions in this instance. In 2013 Dr. Smith was ticketed for target practicing on a gun range that had been the active gun range in the area for nearly 20 years. The new owner of the property requested that police start ticketing people if they came on the land. That is his right and Dr. Smith was more than happy to pay the fine. This was a misdemeanor trespassing charge and again under plea in abeyance, mug shots were required. NO ARREST NO CONVICTION.

7. You claim that Delta has a “secret clinic” in the United States. This is false, although Delta did have a clinic in the United States that relocated to Cancun in 2013. The medical director of that clinic was licensed in the U.S.. Their current clinic is located in the Caribbean and that information is available to registered members upon request. Staff-vacancies in the local classifieds pertain to a different company all together, and have no relationship to the medical end of Delta Institute. ^{— Unsigned, by: Solvefalse / talk / contribs}

Oh, boy. For a laugh, I took a look at the 'Canterbury University' website: http://canterburyuniversity.uk/site/ (special note: real schools and universities in the UK end their URL with .ac.uk, the equivalent of .edu). It's very definitely a diploma mill. What was once a no-account local college in England was apparently bought out by an international consortium, and by way of a legal challenge in Florida (WTF?) is now apparently entirely online with a legal presence in the Seychelles. It even boasts about not being accredited. Accreditation might be voluntary, but that's because degrees conferred by unaccredited institutions are worthless, for good reason. While it's far from perfect, accreditation is the only thing that resembles quality control for higher education. A PhD requiring '92 credits + a 4 year degree' makes no sense - a PhD is a research degree and does not include any taught content, so credits are irrelevant. A full-time PhD is formally 3 years (plus more time spent revising the thesis and passing the viva), a part-time PhD should take at least 6. The description of the 'Bio-Science' program is also hilarious: trying to pass off cloning, fermentation and bioengineering as part of the same course like that makes total sense without further explanation. The 'Alumni Affairs' link just takes you to, I'm not joking, a cafepress shop filled with crap with the fake coat of arms plastered over it. No list of academic staff. I'm pretty sure I could throw together a better attempt at a diploma mill website. Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 23:58, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Glad you like my Rantings

Consider that Canterbury’s approach to specialized training takes into account that not everyone pursuing specialized training wants to limit their career to teaching or research. The main problem I see with traditional Ph.D.’s is that their experience and training is extremely limited. When the entire program is consumed with designing dissertation research, writing, and defense. The person may end up with competence in research, but at the expense of having their experience limited to research and professorship.

So you crank out your dissertation in a year and you think that you’re an expert on a subject only to discover that you really don’t get to learn anything of significance until after you get out of school. Trudging through a pointless PhD that is stuck in theoretical “low gear” is a royal waste of time. Most higher education authorities, other than Canterbury, and a few others, focus on generalist skills. Academia tends to be very generic. This is the reason why institutions like Canterbury tend to produce people that are actually prepared for the workplace. ^{— Unsigned, by: Solvefalse / talk / contribs}

Isn't he a little sweetie? What the fuck is he talking about? Pippa (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Here's a person who used a diploma from "Canterbury University" in the "workplace", and consequently was found guilty of fraud ... http://diplomafraud.com/2012/12/06/woman-pleads-guilty-to-faking-counseling-credentials/ Guvax (talk) 09:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

"Most higher education authorities, other than Canterbury, and a few others, focus on generalist skills. Academia tends to be very generic. This is the reason why institutions like Canterbury tend to produce people that are actually prepared for the workplace." Wow. Every day in every way you reveal how little you know about higher education. Research degrees are incredibly specific; the entire point of a PhD is that by the end of it you become the world's foremost authority on one very narrow part of your field. The idea that a diploma mill like that offers a superior alternative is laughable. The idea that a 'write us a cheque, we'll send you a certificate' place better prepares someone for a real world job is like Donald Trump in a lift- wrong on every level. Research, even in industry, requires the skills that are picked up during a PhD or MPhil. Even outside research, the idea that a diploma mill offers better chances than a real institution is silly. Remember- people only turn to places like Canterbury University when they don't have any prospect of getting a real degree to their name. Queex_{chthonic murmurings} 12:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Canterbury 'University' also offers courses in astrology. Totally a real university. --JorisEnter (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Repeating the same lie over and over concerning the idea that Dr. Smith received his degree from a diploma mill does not make your statements true. Dr. Smith's requirements from Canterbury were much more rigid than your limited experience at Leiden. Dr. Smith lectures all over the world, and is supported from scientist from Purdue to Baylor, and anyone that has worked with him (like myself) can tell you that he is 10 steps ahead of any other mainstream Ph.D. that I know. And just an FYI: your "dissident suppression" has caused a surge in Delta enrollments as I understand it. Do you think that people are stupid? Talk about "educated derelicts"!

Delta wrote "a surge in Delta enrollments". Delta doth protest too much :¬). Delta wrote "your dissident suppression". (The predictable Galileo Gambit). If you were actually being suppressed your post here about being suppressed would not be visible. Do Delta allow their critics to post messages on their website, or on their YouTubes, or on their Facebook pages ?. No , Delta suppress critical comments : the suppressive boot is on the the other foot. Guvax (talk) 22:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

"Dr. [sic] Smith's requirements from Canterbury were much more rigid than your limited experience at Leiden"

Lololol. But seriously, wtf? You got any experience with mah calculus mate?

"he is 10 steps ahead of any other mainstream Ph.D. [sic] that I know".

I guess you don't know many mainstream PhDs then, do you?

"your "dissident suppression" blah blah blah"

Oh come and see the violence inherent in this system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

--JorisEnter (talk) 22:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Apparently this is related to men's rights?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Egalitarianism/comments/5gwa48/specific_attacks_against_bx_bx_protocol_forum/dbqp9do/ Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 06:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

12th July 2017 Teeds01 wrote

12th July 2017 Teeds01 wrote "Label clearly states ingredients and not just "water." Added ingredients as listed on label".

BX-Protocol label says "homeopathic" & "1000000X". There's not enough matter in the universe to make a 400X homeopathic dilution, see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homeopathy#No_active_ingredient. So a "1000000X" homeopathic dilution will most certainly only contain dilutant : so if the label is correct, the BX stuff in the bottle is just water.

12th July 2017 Teeds01 wrote ... "Removed profanities and comparisons of "penius enlargements" - serves no constructive purpose."

Apparently Teeds01 is not aware that the house-style of RationalWiki is "snarky", see ... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:What_is_a_RationalWiki_article%3F#RationalWiki_is_not_neutral

Rambling screeds added by Rwiki2015 in March 2020

See ... https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Rwiki2015 ^{— Unsigned, by: Guvax / talk / contribs}

IRS / taxation of the scam / Smith

1) Anyone knows if tax authorities tried to tax this scam? Money wired to Cayman must have raised some eyebrows. 2) Is there any evidence that Smith is on the loose in Mexico? ^{— Unsigned, by: Tempuser999 / talk / contribs}