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Stupid Question[edit]
If I can wave the flag of treason and slavery because "free speech", does free speech also grant me the right to wave the flag of the Islamic State? CorruptUser (talk) 20:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, why not? It's not like that flag is even exclusive to that group. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:06, 21 August 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Not that it won't be seen as a reason to suspect you of things that are crimes, though. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 21:08, 21 August 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Speaking for most scenarios in US law, yes, yes it does. WalkerWalkerWalker 21:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- There was a similar situation earlier in the UK where someone was photographed flying a DAESH flag; the police won't react because advocating the creation of a new country is freedom of speech. They might get on a watchlist for it, but flying the flag is fine.-- Forerunner (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- We aren't discussing the dildo flag are we? WalkerWalkerWalker 21:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- If you want to risk trying out whether the days of extraordinary rendition and being held in Guantanamo without justification or trial are truly over, you can do that. If you want to play it safe, I'd advise for more "conventional" (read:white) symbols of hatred. They are usually much more accepted by those that make the "rules" when it comes to fighting terrorism Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- In Germany, the cops may give you trouble under the German Criminal Code section 86a
, though.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 02:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- In Germany, the cops may give you trouble under the German Criminal Code section 86a
- If you want to risk trying out whether the days of extraordinary rendition and being held in Guantanamo without justification or trial are truly over, you can do that. If you want to play it safe, I'd advise for more "conventional" (read:white) symbols of hatred. They are usually much more accepted by those that make the "rules" when it comes to fighting terrorism Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 21:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- We aren't discussing the dildo flag are we? WalkerWalkerWalker 21:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- There was a similar situation earlier in the UK where someone was photographed flying a DAESH flag; the police won't react because advocating the creation of a new country is freedom of speech. They might get on a watchlist for it, but flying the flag is fine.-- Forerunner (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Association Fallacy[edit]
I don't get how the CSA battle flag isn't a symbol of racism and oppression. Are we going to say that the Rhodesian flag or South African Apartheid flag isn't racist. I mean the Nazi flag is already racist without Neo-Nazis using it right?--Owlman (talk) 04:57, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- For simplicity, let's say it is thoroughly racist. I can still reach a correct conclusion through a fallacious argument: see Mathematical fallacy § Howlers for a classic. And that's what was done when people judged the flag on the basis of one idiot who chose to take a picture with it. His association with the flag is not what makes it a symbol of racism; he's a tiny footnote on a long history of repression. WalkerWalkerWalker 05:04, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Okay fair enough. I understand that Americans didn't see it as racist until a racist, who committed mass murder and a hate crime, was found using it.--Owlman (talk) 05:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, we have always associated the CSA battle flag with racists and historical revisionists for as long as I've been alive. But for the most part, it wasn't really worth the hassle of confronting them over it. Besides, it lets the rest of us know who some of the racists are. CorruptUser (talk) 10:58, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Okay fair enough. I understand that Americans didn't see it as racist until a racist, who committed mass murder and a hate crime, was found using it.--Owlman (talk) 05:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Could there be an argument against voluntary banning of sale for these flags by retailers because it amounts to censorship?
- Also, could there be an argument for the South to carry the Confederate flag as an attempt to re-appropriate it away from negative connotations of slavery? 20th century American imagery shows it's use in the Dukes of Hazzard and NASCAR, among others, and proves there's an attempt by the South to appropriate the flag as a symbol of modern Southern culture. Symbolic stigma is a troubling social stigma, such as the swastika being a Nazi symbol rather than a sacred religious symbol.IViking (talk) 15:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)