Talk:Del Bigtree
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Stub created, but much more material here:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-vaccination_movement
--CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) 03:01, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
What do you guys think now? I heavily expanded the page. It can probably be its own article now. But anyway, is there anything else that's major and missing? I dunno if Vaxxed discussion should be on this page or not. I also feel not all his bases are covered, but not sure if it's really necessary. --It's-a me, 
LeftyGreenMario! 23:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Everything is a work in progress, but looks like a very good start to me. Will try to work on this too, am mostly working on Scandinavian extremism at the moment. But Vaxxed could also redirect to a section here, right? --CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) 00:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
How about actually looking at facts?[edit]
Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. This whole site is like a church... I see zero objectivity or factual accuracy. I hope that people do their own research, but few people have time for that these days. Try actually listening to what Bigtree is saying: https://www.spokanepublicradio.org/post/inland-journal-april-18-2019-vaccine-safety-pt-1-del-bigtree Or read the whitepaper: https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/VaccineSafety-Version-1.0-October-2-2017-1.pdf Giving absurd refutations ("we don't need double blind studies to prove things--they are too unethical") just makes y'all look retarded. 1 in 10 are injured by vaccines when reporting is automated. CDC stopped talking to Harvard once this result came out. Read & learn. --U-dont-exist (talk) 02:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Can you provide instances of inaccuracies on the article? All I'm seeing is you calling us a Church(?), and then linking us to a website accused of spreading misinformation about vaccines. --Forerunner (talk) 02:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Derogatory slur aside, most of your arguments fit on the bingo card. Whitepaper you cited: 1st point on vaccine liability, which has been done to death already. 2nd point on "inadequate trials" despite thousands of papers being studied on vaccines. Comparing vaccine to religion. Thinking that ethics is considered an "absurd refutation" just shows these anti-vaxxers hold to an impossible standard; even if we were to miraculously procure a study without the ethics problems (and as said in the article, the existing epidemiological studies are good enough), they still won't accept that as evidence. If you mean "when reporting is automated" by "VAERS dumpster diving" then you're wrong too. It tells me a lot that you're quick to throw around the term "retarded" while also expressing concern for people with "vaccine injuries". Doesn't really refute your argument, but just an observation. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 03:08, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- @U-dont-exist Ableist. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 04:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Derogatory slur aside, most of your arguments fit on the bingo card. Whitepaper you cited: 1st point on vaccine liability, which has been done to death already. 2nd point on "inadequate trials" despite thousands of papers being studied on vaccines. Comparing vaccine to religion. Thinking that ethics is considered an "absurd refutation" just shows these anti-vaxxers hold to an impossible standard; even if we were to miraculously procure a study without the ethics problems (and as said in the article, the existing epidemiological studies are good enough), they still won't accept that as evidence. If you mean "when reporting is automated" by "VAERS dumpster diving" then you're wrong too. It tells me a lot that you're quick to throw around the term "retarded" while also expressing concern for people with "vaccine injuries". Doesn't really refute your argument, but just an observation. --It's-a me,
Apparently in this article Del Bigtree is claiming that "natural immunity" to COVID-19 is more Superior to if an actual vaccine candidate is approved to SARS-COV-2. This is nuts Del Bigtree is implying that he wants more people infected from COVID-19 naturally. But as of 2020 There are Vaccine candidates for clinical testing though.2601:640:C600:3C20:7136:5157:E445:219C (talk) 20:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Why won't he get the natural immunity himself? What an asshole. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- Politics That's why Del Bigtree is making claims of natural immunity at State Capital's though to influence not just the presidential elections but also the Governor's and congressional elections.2601:640:C600:3C20:1CC4:9A47:1F49:94FF (talk) 14:42, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Here is an Update on Bigtree, Science Based Medicine as gotten a new rant on Bigtree telling people to get COVID-19
What is the group that is really at risk? Let’s be honest about this and say something that might get me some trouble here, but let’s be honest. That group is very well known. It’s people over the age of 65—not just because you’re over the age of 65, but you’re sick with other diseases. You have heart disease. You have COPD. You have diabetes. You have issues, many of those issues coming from the fact that you didn’t treat your body very well while you were on this planet. And I want to talk about this for one minute as we close this down. That 0.26% are the most sick among us, and I have nothing against you. Go ahead and bubble wrap your house. Lock yourself in your basement. Go and do what’s necessary.
But here’s the problem. When you were my age, you were most likely eating food and fast food and Doritos and drinking Coca-Cola, which you’ll never find in my home. You were eating that all the time. You probably were drinking a lot of alcoholic beverages and really liked to party and enjoyed your cigarettes and said to yourself, “You know what? It’s more about the quality of my life right now. I don’t care if I live to be 100 years old. I want to enjoy my life right now. I like the finer things in life. I like good rich food. I like smoking a cigarette once in a while. I like to drink my drinks.” And you know what? Good on you! That’s the United States of America. No problem, that, some of my best friends think like that. It’s great, and they’re fun to hang out with. That’s perfectly OK.
But here’s what’s not OK. When you reach that point in your life where now your arteries are starting to clog up, your body is shutting down, and the alcohol is eating up your liver, and you have diabetes, or you have multiple COPD, you have asthma, you can’t breathe, all the cigarette smoking has finally caught up with you, you have heart disease because of the way you decided to live your life in the moment, here’s what you are now. You are pharmaceutical-dependent. You did that to yourself, not me. You decided that the moment mattered, and now you find yourself pharmaceutical-dependent, which is really what that 0.26% is, and that’s OK too. Thank God there’s drugs out there! There’s drugs that allow you to eat the Philly cheesesteak even though your body knows it hates it, but, go ahead, take the Prilosec. What difference does it make? Drug yourself! Drug yourself! Get through the day! Don’t exercise! Maybe just attach an electrode and see if a little electricity to the stomach will give you the abs you want.
Come on! Grow up! You made choices! And now that you’re pharmaceutically dependent, here’s what you don’t get to do. You don’t get to say I have to take a drug to protect you. That’s what this is. You don’t get to say I have to wear a mask and suck in my own CO2 to protect you. You don’t get to say I have to lock myself in a basement and destroy my career and take away my own ability to feed children because you are pharmaceutical dependent. You lived your life. You made your choice. And thank God we live in the United States of America so you don’t have to worry about grocery police standing outside a grocery store saying, “Really? You really need four liters of Coca-Cola? You really need four bags of Doritos or Chitos or Fritos or whatever the heck it is, little cupcakes with synthetic icing on them? You really need all that?” Because we could go there. We could go there. If we’re really going to get into each other’s schiznit, that’s what we could do.
Or could we live and let live? Eat all the Twinkies you want! Drink all the bourbon you want, and smoke as many cigarettes as you want, and when you find yourself pharmaceutical-dependent I will go ahead and say thank God the drug companies are there for you, but you do not get to make me pharmaceutical-dependent. You do not get to put me in the way of Heidi Larson, who wants to eradicate natural health and natural immunity and make us all pharmaceutical dependent.
From the Rant2601:640:C600:3C20:C51D:FA11:7C4E:50C0 (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Update Del Bigtree is complaining that his video has been banned from YouTube and he has moved his video over to Bitchute. Since the mask video was in violation to states that issue Mask Requirements.
https://mobile.twitter.com/delbigtree/status/1281557341293379584 73.71.164.202 (talk) 03:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Here is more of Del Bigtree being banned from YouTube
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/youtube-terminates-anti-vaccine-figure-del-bigtrees-account-after-he-pushed 2601:640:C600:3C20:81C9:4D6C:A7AC:F925 (talk) 19:11, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
https://thehighwire.com/videos/vaccine-passport-pushback-gains-steam/
https://thehighwire.com/videos/are-vaccine-passports-the-end-of-america/
Update there are recent episodes of Highwire where Del Bigtree spreads lies about Vaccine passports to politicians.2601:640:C600:3C20:35FD:EA4A:E2A9:276C (talk) 20:41, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Del Bigtree likes to show up at state capitols whenever the State Legislatures and Governor's offices want to reduce vaccine exemptions and he cries crazy shit every time.2601:640:C600:3C20:880B:7D1E:EE11:9CF6 (talk) 03:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Also Bigtree has advertisers on his podcasts.2601:640:C600:3C20:4C6E:9FA0:575A:223 (talk) 19:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
New resource on Del[edit]
Here's a new blog post [[1]] for people to mine, 'Del Bigtree is a fake Doyen of the anti-vaxxer movement post ban on Youtube and Facebook' https://thegoodfellow.net/2021/07/22/del-bigtree-is-a-fake/ Skinnytony1 (talk) 22:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Del Bigtree is a Leftist who turned right with age[edit]
An unlikely alliance
"The truth is, I'm still a registered Democrat," says Del Bigtree, a well-known anti-vaccine activist. Even before COVID-19, he wrote and produced a documentary that falsely claimed childhood vaccines were linked to autism. But the message never caught on with the liberal audience he was targeting.
Instead, it seemed to tap into something on the political right. He still remembers the first time he noticed; it was after he was invited to speak at a conservative women's group in Texas.
"Clearly I was shocked as a lifelong liberal progressive that I was hugging and hanging out and having a great time with a bunch of extremely conservative mothers and grandmothers," says Bigtree.
Bigtree has been banned from social media platforms like YouTube for making false claims about the dangers of COVID-19 vaccines. But as the pandemic has dragged on, his conservative audience keeps growing. Often he speaks at conferences alongside people who claim the election was rigged and promoters of QAnon conspiracy theories.
From NPR News in 2021 about Del Bigtree2601:640:C681:C260:27DE:71B2:5D54:C4D (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Del Bigtree is a Transphobe[edit]
https://rumble.com/v4p3wyn-military-funded-sex-change-operations-on-the-rise.html
Here is the episode Bigtree is doing to set off Transphobia.2600:381:CBB0:15B2:4AD9:B906:8E5B:AAE1 (talk) 18:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)