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Believe it! Phallus of Satan 16:21, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Er yeah, right. Not. Spica 17:20, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Just thought I'd warn you folks that demonbusters thing you linked to (for whatever reason) does not appear to exist anymore.


I'm an atheist, and I don't go to church anymore. This kid I know has Kabuki syndrome (I think), but my church is a fundie church and want to "exorcise" him.< br\> I don't want him to be hurt, and I don't want him being refused access to a professional. EddieMonah (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Why would the devil possess a disabled kid? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to possess a pastor, a CEO or a politician? Possessing the disabled, the severely mentally ill, etc. — just seems like a big waste of the dark lord's time. (((Zack Martin))) 07:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
They think that the disability is FROM the "demon". It's ridiculous. EddieMonah (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Maybe they are the ones who are possessed? (((Zack Martin))) 22:21, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Oh, my God, you're improbably right. EddieMonah (talk) 04:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

For some good comic relieve check out that "demon busters" website- " BOYCE and BOICE are two demons that interfere with any electronic equipment, i.e., phone, computer, printer, automobile, etc. If something malfunctions, command these two demons to leave your equipment, in the name of Jesus. We get many emails saying this worked. If it does not work, demons are not causing the problem."

And even more hilarious " Know this - EVERYONE has demons, ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS. There is no Scripture that says this. It is just a matter of FACT. There is no Scripture that says you do NOT have demons" someone needs to take logic 101!! Scepitical (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Why was the text below taken out?


The belief in possession is probably a holdover from more ancient animist religions which hold that all illness and anti-social behavior is caused by possession of a person by an evil spirit. Animistic religions also conduct rituals, often in the form of dance, in which the dancer wears a mask representing a particular spirit. The dancer is subsequently possessed by the spirit in question, leading to the possibility of communication with the spirit world. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

unfounded speculation. I was going to just pull the whole thing out. Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans 19:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


I think this page should be renamed "Spirit possession", as the concept includes possession by non-demonic and even benign entities. Asarelah (talk) 17:34, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Demonic Possession exists![edit]

There are plenty of videos proving it exists. Not the crap by televangelists, but times where the possesed did things like make body movements that are unable to occur without the supernatural and such things like bite off the heads of a live chicken and slit their own throats! Why do you deny such evidence like that?--TheWhiteRabbit (talk) 19:39, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

What you just provided right here and now is not evidence, but a lot of claims. You claim there are plenty of videos proving it exists. You claim these alleged videos contain various scenes, and you also claim that they require supernatural explanation.
You're literally asking why I won't recognize something I have not been provided with. My reply to that is, how could I even recognize this alleged thing, which I can't even verify exists nor know anything at all about whatsoever outside conjecture and claims? You provide no links in your post. You will agree that I can do nothing more at this point unless you provide us with something, so please do.
I'll tell you what - I promise to watch the videos you provide (and actually give them a chance), and you promise to watch the videos I provide (and actually give them a chance), deal?
Your final question is a (very obvious) loaded question, in which you ask "why we deny this evidence". My reply is, what evidence? What are you even on about? Have I missed some sources you've provided?
And for the record - neither biting the head of a live chicken nor slitting your own throat requires any supernatural explanation. People have done both throughout history a great many times, and both continue to this day. In fact, biting the heads off chickens was the main act of the classic (and bizarre) Geek Show, and suicides are committed every day (googling for 2½ seconds yielded this example: "“Atypical Suicidal” cut throat injury – A case report"). I'd be surprised if old timey circuses - of all places and things - were the chosen conduits into our world by demonic forces.
In fact, these stunts you name are easily staged by a street magician, never mind on video - which I hear allows for kind of a lot of fakery, both via analog stunts (example: "YouTube: Quirkology - Amazing Illusions playlist") or via CGI (example: "YouTube: The Walking Dead - The Amazing CGI Effects of Season 1") - just to name two very general examples that resulted from a one-breath long Google search.
And finally, the weakest card in the hand - "unnatural" body movements and limbs. I'll just leave you with some examples off the top off my head;
Besides, where do you suggest we draw the line for "unnatural" body movements? When people do this in real life or something? Some major religions even consider the ol' back-and-forth cyclops-snake handling to be "unnatural body movements", so clearly there's a definition problem.
Never mind the fact that "supernatural explanation" is the ultimate oxymoron, as - if something is explained away as "being supernatural", it has in fact been left without explanation. If you actually take the time to watch these videos, the answer to your question regarding why we think what we think hopefully isn't too far away. Good luck! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
I have watched your videos and understand your perspective.
Firs tof all, I apologise for the loaded question at the end and will attempt to avoid it in the future.
Your first video, the burden of proof, is a point I do consider to be important. I know you most likely will ignore my videos, but in the small chance you will bear with me, her is my testimony about how I cane to Jesus, in hopes you actually get to see why I am a Christian.
It's something I've come to when God came into my life and answered my prayers during the lowest point of my life. Not only this, but I have made a second video about it after receiving backlash for being a Christian truther. I have responded with a video explaining why I believe the bible to be true and the evidence.
And finally, to address said videos about Demon possession, I will provide three that I believe supports my assertion that possession is very real, two by Emmanuel TV, and one by a good friend of mine, Xendrius.
All three are very powerful reasons why I believe in such an act so ridiculed by skeptics.
Emmanuel TV has done so much more, such as heal a woman bleeding for 7 days and nights by a demon, but I feel I should cut the videos for now.
As for "unnatural body movements" I'm afraid I don't have an argument against that.
As for being close-minded, I mus tell you I have done thousands of hours of research and have concluded that there is enough evidence where I stand now. If you demand such evidence, I must ask you to visit my channel.--TheWhiteRabbit (talk) 06:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
To people reverting this discussion: I'm going to take the time to reply to this user later today, so please, don't screw with our discussion. If the videos are too much, just un-embed them and display them as text links. I'll unembed them all if the suggestion arises. Thank you. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Me again. As part of replying to TheWhiteRabbit, as "agreed" I'm taking the time to actually watch his stuff, so bare with me here. Meanwhile, real life calls. So the new ETA is tomorrow, but this time I won't be so cocky as to set it in stone. Live and learn. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 22:43, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Just a reply to Black Percy's message on my talk page. I am still frequenting this site semi-regularly, and while I have issues with :::::some things on thsi site, it is not to be discussed on this page.
As you're watching TB Joshua's videos, keep in mind that I observed that most people write out of ignorance, I try to inform based on my knowledge of the Word. However, I'm much aware that there are others that show up to blaspheme, or misinform and confuse unsuspecting readers. If I'm not able to communicate, I leave it to the Holy Spirit to handle. As far as Prophet TB Joshua's concerned, you cannot go wrong by spending time learning/studying with him. The miracles and signs you see are REAL! It's insane that some so-called Christians can't fathom the fact that there's power in the name of Jesus and that the miracles they're watching was performed by the Holy Spirit, NOT Prophet TB Joshua. As a matter of fact, I have observed over and again that Prophet TB Joshua never claims he performed these miracles. He and staff are quick to deflect praises and correct misconceptions. Above all, you will observe in this ministry, genuine love, compassion, and humility. Although I live in the US, I've been to the church in Nigeria and witnessed first hand some of the things I have written about here.
"...answered my prayers"
You should probably understand that having a prayer "answered" doesn't count as good evidence of the Christian God because God's goodness is presupposed beforehand and any negative results are assumed to just to be a "part of his mysterious ways" or "for his purpose." Essentially this creates an untestable hypothesis.
If you really want to prove demonic possession and exorcism is a real thing you have to do a few things. By doing so, note you would be undermining modern medical science and the ideas of genetics, virology, microbiology, and germ theory.
1. You must provide physical evidence of the existence of demons. This is difficult because demons are supernatural beings, which makes them impossible to quantify or test using the scientific method.
2. You must prove demons can possess people. This is difficult for the same reasons I stated above.
3. You must demonstrate how demons possess people. This is difficult because of the above reason. This also means you have to prove any actions they do work. As far as I've seen, nobody who believes in demonic possession has ever explained how demons possess people, so I doubt you could do this.
4. You must show a comprehensive list of symptoms of demonic possession. From what I've noticed, they differ from person to person, and because of inconsistency, I doubt there is a comprehensive list to be made... Which is mainly because demonic possessions aren't real.
5. You must show that such symptoms are the result of the demonic possession and not some other pre-existing conditions. Again, since demons are supernatural and therefore untestable by the scientific method, good luck with this.
6. You must develope and demonstrate a method of exorcism that works.
7. You must explain why your method of exorcism works. This is once again difficult because it relies on testing something untestable.
Good luck. Derp cat (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

I also see from the history of this page my embedding has caused a small edit war in confusion of whether I'm a troll or not. If needed I will post future videos unembeded, but i have no intention to derail discussion.--TheWhiteRabbit (talk) 05:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Angelic possession[edit]

Are there any purported cases of angelic possession? (Whether or not involving Enochian.)

I think we have all come across the 'contrary equipment' which inspired the concept of possession mentioned above. (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Interesting question. While demonic possession seems easier to claim in others (e.g. epileptics), angelic visitation sounds a lot like what many UFO "contactees" describe as having occurred to them. Also, for another angel angle entirely, see here. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 17:46, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
As Martin Luther said, why should the Devil have all the best tunes? And as at least some devils are fallen angels, proper angels should be able to possess people (if one believes in such things).

Enochian was invented by John Dee and Edward Kelly.

Titivillus is one of the devils involved (and another devil is here [1]) - but mostly it #is# equipment being contrary. (talk) 18:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


You inist that demonic psosession is fake, yet this man bit off the head of a chicken. Tell me RIGHT NOW how any sane person would do this.

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Two things - 1) You are assuming they are a "sane person". Crazy people exist, this does not prove demonic possession, it proves the potence of brain injury and mental abuse. 2) You are overlooking the long and not-so-proud tradition of the "Carnival Geek", men and women paid to eat gross stuff to entertain sideshow crowds. Biting the head off a live chicken is a classic part of the routine. Carnival geeks are, as far as I can tell, sane. Thier motive is a steady paycheck. --Zipperback (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
The clip is an hour and a half long and seems to be dictated by a robot. Nobody is going to watch this. Secondly people do all sorts of weird stuff - much weirder than biting off chicken heads. So what?--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 14:44, 19 November 2017 (UTC)