Talk:Freeman on the land
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Simple explanation[edit]
Those who go for 'single person limited companies' (for freelance etc work), shell and holding companies, offshore accounts and similar do not add FOTL status to their portfolio as they see being 'a legal person' (and even also 'a natural person' - using the legal terminologies) - therefore the logic is faulty.
And 'anyone familiar with the history of international law' - there was a legal case involving the status in the UK of a marriage in Rhodesia during the period of UDI (and possibly other cases) which might provide a perspective on the matter. (Did a basic course on international law a long while ago - not as part of a law degree.) Anna Livia (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Cestui Que Vie Act[edit]
Is this what John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan was declared dead under in 1999?
There are a small number of cases of 'X - last known activity [date]' resurfacing some or many years later: are there any cases of someone being declared dead and then reappearing? Anna Livia (talk) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Fremen[edit]
How about Fremen on the land? 🇷🇸 Serbian Arbiter (What would you have your arbiter do?) 19:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Freemen are like fairies…[edit]
In Legandeeract's section of my Progress & Regress Pokémon project, I make a comparison between freemen on the land/sovereign citizens and fairies in ye olde European mythology. Both have a code that is extremely similar to what a sane human being might call "law", but the code is deranged, nigh-incomprehensible, virtually incompatible with a properly-functional human society, and appears to operate on the precept of "give me an inch and I'll take a freaking mile" more than anything else.
I'd like to make this comparison in the freeman on the land article proper… any ideas on where a good place for it might be? --Luigifan18 (talk) 22:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t see the connection at all. Unless you can provide a citation or two, I’d leave this out of the article. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 22:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- …Dude, it's an analogy that pokes fun at freemen for making no blooming sense. --Luigifan18 (talk) 22:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- No. Absolutely not. Carthage (talk) 00:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't give me a whole lot to work with… --Luigifan18 (talk) 01:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- It gives you plenty to work with. This is a collaborative community, not your personal playpen. We're not your audience. Carthage (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm trying to understand your objections to the idea. In my opinion, comparing the daffy views freemen have on law to fairies' blue and orange morality is hilarious. --Luigifan18 (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- No. Carthage (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- …That's still incredibly unhelpful. --Luigifan18 (talk) 03:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- No. Carthage (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm trying to understand your objections to the idea. In my opinion, comparing the daffy views freemen have on law to fairies' blue and orange morality is hilarious. --Luigifan18 (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- It gives you plenty to work with. This is a collaborative community, not your personal playpen. We're not your audience. Carthage (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't give me a whole lot to work with… --Luigifan18 (talk) 01:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
The link you supplied makes no mention of either fairy codes or laws. They might not even have had laws - indeed, the lack of actual fairy existence makes the examination of any "fairy laws" impossible. Even if we could demonstrate that these imaginary people had imaginary laws - these would be Fairy laws. The Freemen maintain that the have the real version of human law - not their own laws.
I would agree, though, that the freeman arguments have about the same legal weight as fairytales. But I doubt that introducing some sort of extended metaphor based on this would be very useful.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 08:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
UK court case[edit]
From what can be seen of the rant here, are the people involved of the Freeman persuasion? (It may be more legally appropriate for a non-UK person to investigate further.) Anna Livia (talk) 19:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)