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The DNA thing gets worse[edit] FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 19:47, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

GDI, I was about to post this.
Still, you should see the comments on Reddit's /r/JordanPeterson about this clip. He simply can never be wrong. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

No Fuzzy: your understanding gets worse. No proof is mentioned by Peterson. More like bullshit intuition. " I wouldn't say I believe that" is an exact quote for you to take to the cat box.Ariel31459 (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

32 answers to the question, for FCP[edit]

"In 2013, among his 32 answers to the question, "If you could write a rule book for being a man, what 'man law' would you write," Peterson included the following dictates" What's wrong with including all 32 answers? They are very short. You seem to be whitewashing your own opinions.Ariel31459 (talk) 13:11, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Don't do this. It's a violation of Peterson's copyright to post large extracts of his work, particularly if it's more than is needed for criticism or analysis. --Gospatric (talk) 13:48, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
@Gospatric What makes you say that the short list of 32 brief sentences is more than needed? I don't think he would object. The list has been on Reddit for more than a year.Ariel31459 (talk) 13:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Posting all 32 is unnecessary -- it should be obvious to readers that we excluded irrelevant rules (eg, we noted that there were 32 and listed only 6; the numbers have large gaps between them), and they can follow the reference to read them if they choose. Cømяade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 18:24, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes. But I will add and subtract a few to round out the perspective. You seem to have included koan-like old-testment propositions that will only perplex the unwary. By the way.Oprah advised students to "make your bed," in her USC commencement speech. Go Celtics! Ariel31459 (talk) 22:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Peterson gains a new fanclub.[edit]

Apparently Peterson said some things during an (New York Times) interview back on the eighteenth that drove the Incels into a frenzy of adoration. We should likely add a section on this latest development. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:03, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Are you referring to this?. Also, there is no article on incels. If they are not significant enough to have an article, why bother?. I never heard of incel until an NPR story broadcast a few weeks ago. Are they different from angry MGTOWS? Maybe stick it there.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
I am, and no Incels are not the same as Miggies. Incels are basically woman hating losers who are either unaware of the concept of prostitution, or are unwilling to partake of such services. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:01, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
In addition we probably should create an article on Incels, given that they have both embraced the anti-semitism of the Alt-right and actually celebrate several mass shooters as "heros". ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:14, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
OK. Thanks.Ariel31459 (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Devil's advocate, maybe they don't want to get involved with illegal services? There are plenty of people who only refrain from cocaine and such because it's illegal (and unregulated and thus more dangerous) rather than because of any sense of morality. Knew a girl who wouldn't drink underage but got sloshed when she studied abroad.
Or the more obvious answer of course is that incels tend to be introverts or antisocial, and thus less likely to run in the circles that would connect them to a prostitute to begin with... CoryUsar (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@CorruptUser I could argue that your reply is covered under the wording of my statement, however even if I did it would be clear that such sentiments were unintentional. I thank you for pointing out in the latter part of your response that many of the most virulent Incels are extremely antisocial. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:01, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

The fallacy of approval and incels.[edit]

"Peterson's fanbase is extremely dedicated and has overlap with the incel and MGTOW circles." This statement is ostensibly true. Peterson's fanbase is rather large and includes dedicated followers. I don't think incels have a club house yet. It is well known, for example, that Joseph Stalin admired actor Clark Gable, just for the kind of guy he was. Peterson evidently appeals to elements of both sides of the liberal/conservative divide, mostly on the conservative side, as well as eccentric outliers. As far as MGTOWS, I think Peterson called them "pathetic weasels."Ariel31459 (talk) 13:56, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I think it matters more about the size of Peterson's crowd and intended audience. I think that how he attracts incels is relevant because he has a few ideas many people would call sexist (or at least I would call sexist), shown in the article. Peterson tried denouncing the Miggies , but he's not taking much consideration why he is attracting them, and as long as he continues with those viewpoints, he's going to receive them. That a famous actor has charmed Stalin, it doesn't mean that much to me, though maybe I will look more into it. I don't know if the actor was able to attract substantial numbers of Communist for his socio-political views. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 14:30, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The point is that it is specious reasoning to associate a person with an admirer, beyond the fact of stating the admiration exists. In this case, of Peterson, it suggests maybe some of these people can be deterred from the destructive path they have been following (incel & mgtow). Peterson's intended audience is, I think, just about everyone who will listen. The fact is that Peterson has not praised these two groups, and has criticized them: "If every women you approach rejects you, the problem is not with them buddy!" (paraphrase of JP) Ariel31459 (talk) 15:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
yeah that's great thanks - David Gerard (talk) 17:34, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Listen, David, I know why this guy can't be acceptable to most RW users. I promise not to post false statements about him, or try to remove true ones. I'll let you be the judge.Ariel31459 (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@David Gerard It is not important to me that you choose to ignore the facts. You already have that reputation. Good luck with that.Ariel31459 (talk) 17:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

All Meat Diet[edit]

Yes it's ad hominem, but I think it would be worth adding that Peterson is on a literal all meat diet, as he talks about on Joe Rogan. It just contributes to the whole extremist woo thing he's got going on. I don't really know how to edit Wikis so I'll leave you all to it if you think it's worthy to add. — Unsigned, by: / talk

Media Misrepresentation[edit]

They should have a section for that, which will partly help to explain why his fans are so easily activated in online circles. (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)Krashlia

Like, media fawning over him too? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure media is just falling head over heels in love with him whenever they talk about the "Darling of the Alt-Right". Because thats who they support in the end, the Neo-Nazis. Right? (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2018 (UTC)Krashlia
I have no idea what you are on about. Traditionally, the written media required the ability to write coherently in one's native language, show up to work every day, and not much else. They are never very good at representing anything really complicated. With some effort, you can get the facts, eventually. Ariel31459 (talk) 02:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)