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Incorrect voice.[edit]

First of all, im new to this wiki, that I nevertheless apprecciated a lot and gave me a lot of interesting advices in how to deal with popular nonsense such as conspiracy theories and so called "woo" around many themes. So, please warn me if im making any procedural mistake.

Going to the problem, well, this voice makes absolutely no sense. While it's true that left communism is internationalist and rejects leninism, it doesn't absolutely advocate for a world revolution at once (i mean, sure thing it would be nice, but its quite hard to put it into pratice, let alone building a theory around it) but on the contrary its divergences around Leninism are about the democratic and direct control of the proletariat on the revolutionary organization, opposed to the leninist "vanguard".

I seriously can't figure out where was found the idea that left communist want to immediately abolish money and pass directly to a post-communist utopia, maybe the confusion was driven by the difference in self identitfied left-communist and what stalinist or in general marxist-leninist communist call "Ultra-left", which more or less was used to point at any other diverging faction of the official comintern line.

I also think that the Cambodian example make no sense, for the reasons said, but also because Democratic Kampuchea was not a moneyless and classless society, in fact they restaurated the old quasi-feudal system (with another name, of course) used in the pre-colonial cambodia (as they had to ally with the king in order to defeat the pro-english military establishment), and printed a lot of banknotes. In general the direction of the angkor was mostly pro-Maoist (sure not a left communist tendency) and that's the reason of why it was invaded by the pro-soviet vietnam.

In conclusion, well, someone could fix the voice or wait for me to learn how to use scripts and edit.

I also apologize for my english, when it gets to complicated matters is not perfect.

Leoskini (talk) 10:43, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Anarcho-communism[edit]

Is it a type of left communism? I know that there are differences between the ideologies but both want to get rid of the state in order to create an egalitarian society. Both believe private property should be abolished.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 02:03, 1 May 2016 (UTC) 02:03, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Not necessarily, although both have significant overlap and both are considered nominally on the "left wing" of communism (anarchism as a whole could be considered to the left of communism, but that's a whole different story). Anarcho-communism primarily traces its ideological development from the writings of Mikhail Bakunin and Pyotr Kropotkin, who have fundamentally anarchist critiques of capitalism and social hierarchy. Left communism began as criticism to Lenin's policies arose during the 2nd Congress of the Comintern, the people espousing the criticism were kicked out and attacked in Lenin's seminal work "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder. They have a wide variety of sub-tendencies, including the Luxemburgists under Rosa Luxemburg, the Italian Marxists or Bordigists under Amadeo Bordiga and the Dutch-German or council communists. To look at an ideology, you must not only look at its main tenets but also its historical developments. Also your inane assertion ignores the fact that all leftist ideologies seek to destroy the state and private property; you might as well have lumped all rightist ideologies like liberalism and conservatism together since they both seek to preserve capitalism and social hierarchy. Withoutaname (talk) 08:58, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I think you're misinterpreting his second phrase, because to me it didn't imply that many other (authoritarian) forms of communism do not want to get rid of the state (in theory at least) but use the state as a means to achieve that goal whereas how I read the sentence is that left-coms and an-coms say the state shouldn't be used as such an instrument at all but and abolished as soon as possible (preferably and ideally at the very beginning). NameThatNobodyTakes () 10:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Incomprehension[edit]

I'm unable to parse or comprehend this sentence from the first paragraph. "Left communists view that communist parties themselves don't take power." Annquin (talk) 14:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually I think this is a wider problem. Of random sentence breaks. Structure. Annquin (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Needs references[edit]

I can't find the right template for "this article really needs some decent references" but this article really needs some decent references. I've not heard so many unsubstantiated assertions since the last time I watched a North Korean dating TV show. --Annanoon (talk) 09:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)