Talk:Masturbation

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Hmm... frankly, I don't see the point of this piece. To me, it reads like "look at that bullshit Ellen White wrote 130 years ago HAHAHAHAHAHAAA... of course, we all know that Betty Dobson has it right." Which is no more enlightening than its counterpart on CP (yes, I'm talking about their inexistent article).

There would be lots of interesting questions on the topic, for example:

  • Are there any authoritative and conclusive scientific studies concerning masturbation and its effects?
  • What do the (major) religions say about it, and more interestingly: why? E.g. if they condemn it, is it "just because", or is it for a reason?

I understand that RW does not strive for NPOV like WP, but without a certain degree of objectivity, this won't get beyond "religion X says that masturbation is wrong. But we know that it is fun, so X is bullshit." Which is hardly a rational argument, and certainly not a good basis for constructive debate. --18.233.0.36 12:56, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

In Indonesia the penalty for masturbation is decapitation.

Which head gets lobbed? CЯacke® 18:58, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

H2G2 "Quote"[edit]

Like, I totally made that up but if someone finds a cite for it, then it's right. Both the quote and what the guide says about masturbation.CЯacke® 10:33, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Bunging the quote into Google brings up "Starving Is the Most Fun a Girl Can Have" and "I had sex with my brother but I don't feel guilty". Quoting it just brings up RW. So I'm not sure where it comes from, it certainly sounds familiar but I might be getting it confused with the Woody Allen "it's sex with someone you truly love" quote. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 16:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
It's the sort of thing the guide should say, but as it's an invention I propose this text.
Rationalwiki has had access to an unpublished version of the The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy which has this to say about masturbation: "The most fun any one person can have whilst being totally alone".
Unless there are objections I shall insert this text within the next 24 hours. (Or unless anybody else does something else first.)--BobNot Jim 16:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Epicondylitis[edit]

I rolled back B.O.N's edit - I can find no confirmation of this, in fact most sites state otherwise. Bob Soles (talk) 15:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Another BoN Edit Rolled Back[edit]

The link is quite definite on the subject. Jack Hughes (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

However, it does appear to be one of those "strangest laws" articles, which are often plagued by myths, regardless of how respectable the source. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071209123128AAtr5jR http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/indonesia-part1.html http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=001109;p=1 Scarlet A.pnggnostic 11:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

r/christianity discusses CS Lewis' views on masturbation and masturbation itself[edit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/2sz2wh/cs_lewis_shares_his_theology_regarding/ Reddit can be fun sometimes.--ZooGuard (talk) 15:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Judaism has traditionally always been very anti-wasting-of-sperm, and Christianity is supposedly the continuation of that religion, so there's that to consider. (Note that there'd be nothing wrong with female masturbation from that perspective.) When you get down to it, it's really quite simple though: masturbation is gross. End of discussion. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Gross is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, I'm not suggesting it should be a spectator sport, but I wouldn't go so far as gross. Doxys Midnight Runner (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I find it difficult to see how touching slimed up genitals wouldn't be considered gross, though you're free to hold the view that it isn't, of course. I'm not saying that you should let something being gross stop you from doing it, if you feel inclined to do such things. I do find it rather troubling to ponder the likelihood of hands that social norms require me to shake having been recently involved in acts that I consider gross, though. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
So, I guess you don't wipe your ass either? ScepticWombat (talk) 16:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I do! Very carefully. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 16:47, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that mouths harbour more bacteria than the average schlong or shuttered palace. It's big to own up to your own hang-ups, though. Queexchthonic murmurings 16:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, considering the amounts of bacteria involved in wiping, why is it you're so grossed out by the idea that someone may have masturbated? After all, I doubt that most people masturbate as often as they take a dump. The issue is not the grossness of either act, but whether proper hand hygiene is employed afterwards. ScepticWombat (talk) 16:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I'm not a germophobic. Then I'd need to be scared of almost anything. Really, germs are all around us, and 'good' bacteria are not structurally different from 'bad' bacteria. No, it's just the subjective experience of "grossness" that bothers me. Regarding the mouth-example, it's not like I wouldn't consider putting my hand in someone's mouth kinda gross as well. Though saliva seems less bothersome than... certain other bodily juices. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 16:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
So you're not up for blow jobs then? And if you were then you wouldn't swallow. Doxys Midnight Runner (talk) 17:02, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, a dick is something different from a hand. As the originator of several 'gross things' and also through internalised cultural stances towards the organ itself, it already has some grossness associated with it, which might make the relative grossness of the mouth's saliva less relevant. I will admit that the whole ordeal seems extremely gross to me, however. Why anyone would consent to being on the 'swallowing' end is beyond me. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 17:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

This thing kinda looks Silver[edit]

Thoughts? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Nofap movement[edit]

Where do i start? a friend of mine send me an Vice article about a guy who stopped masturbating for 100 Days and the whole time i tought "that guy sounds like a frigg'n monk!" I checked around and this Gary Wilson Guy and http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ is thrown around a lot. now i am a paranoid fella and i smell a lowkey Christian plot, so any toughts about that? (besides me maybe being delusional again)--Benaresh (talk) 22:43, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Is it a decongestant?[edit]

Sina Zarrintan of Tabriz Medical University hasn’t performed the clinical trials to test this hypothesis from 2009, but claims it would have benefits over decongestant drugs. Has there been any additional research? [1] X-Factor (talk) 21:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

This is clear from the article, but since there's not much else written on this afaik — he recieved the following reply, titled "Ejaculation as a treatment for nasal congestion in men is inconvenient, unreliable and potentially hazardous".
I'm not a doctor myself, but I'll note all the same that ejaculation as a monotherapy holds no benefit whatsoever over nasal congestant drugs. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't a more detailed study investigating the claims though, considering they have ones where people have sex in an MRI machine, I suppose people don't like signing up to be observed for experiments when they are sick with a cold, though they appear able to do those tests for vitamin C [2].
My next question is that the response article also claims a link between increased androgens from sex to an increased risk of prostate cancer in men, which is suggested in another study, [3] which says masturbation decreased the risk of prostate cancer in men over 50 but increases it in younger men. This reminds me a bit of the abortion breast cancer hypothesis so it seems like we should have a firm stance on this issue and that it should be included for the article on sex. "So it's not masturbation itself that's increasing prostate cancer risk in young men. More masturbation may just mean more sex drive -- and more androgens bathing prostate tissues." I'm curious whether it's always the case that masturbation levels in men are caused by a high level of androgens orand whether this prostate cancer risk would extend to engaging in high levels of physical activity such as sports; these are just theories, as Dr. Dimitropoulou warns, however the reply doesn't mention that. [4] The only other non viral link between cancer and sex I recall hearing about is the abortion breast cancer hypothesis. X-Factor (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Just for fun[edit]

Considering its great age (some 49 years!) and greatly limited scope (one couple), I'm posting this mostly as a novelty. Meet BLOOD PRESSURE AND RESPIRATORY PATTERNS DURING HUMAN COITUS and allow me to present the two graphs, seen on page 4 and 5 of the .pdf (page 408-409 in the original print).

Their experiment shows that, while a spike in systolic blood pressure (read: what Zarrintan's whole discussion centers around) does occur in both male and female, said rise in blood pressure was only at its peak (read: even theoretically useful against nasal decongestion) for a miniscule window of time; seemingly a minute or less.

What's worse — said systolic blood pressure increase normalized within minutes, rendering it useless for constricting the blood vessels of the nasal conchaWikipedia's W.svg (the primary target structure of nasal decongestants).

Regarding systolic blood pressure, then. In the female (quote):

Blood pressure started at 100 mm Hg and rose to 200 mm Hg during the first orgasm. It then fell sharply to 142 mm Hg, with a rise of only 13 mm Hg at the point of ejaculation. Approximately 30 sec after ejaculation there was a final rise to 190 mm Hg at the second orgasm, which was slightly lower than the figure during the first orgasm.

Likewise, in the male (quote):

Blood pressure rose to a peak, from 110 mm Hg to 175 mm Hg, at the point of ejaculation and then dropped sharply thereafter.

Interestingly; in the man, even his (for the purposes of nasal decongestion) quite meager spike in blood pressure — which he experienced when ejaculating after his best gal had orgasmed — was made more meager still when he orgasmed prior to her orgasm (quote):

On another occasion, when the male did not await the first female orgasm, the systolic blood pressure rose only to 140 mm Hg.

Since this is all a novelty anyways, I'm going to speculate as wildly as Zarrintan does above, and surmise the following. That a similar lessening of the desired blood pressure spike may occur when ejaculating solo (as compared to ejaculating with a partner).

Or, in other words: as small as the benefits that sex may have for purposes of adressing a stuffy nose (via systolic blood pressure alteration, at any rate), I'd wager the ejaculatory gains in blood pressure generated from masturbation may be smaller still.

As such, based on the above... In order to stand a chance of decongesting your nose via ejaculations alone (read: substituting for nasal decongestant drugs), you would apparently have to achieve orgasm — not just masturbate, but literally ejaculate — like a sweat-soaked methhead something like, once every five minutes, if not more often. All day.

And — assuming you'd want to enjoy having an unstuffed nose throughout the night as well — sleeplearning how to combine the mental presence of lucid dreaming, the aerobics of sleepwalkingWikipedia's W.svg and the anatomy of nocturnal emissionWikipedia's W.svg. This, in order to perfect the art of Nap&Fap™ (i.e.; managing to actually keep rubbing your lil' ding-dong all night long as well). Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Rational-Wikians like to do this while thinking of teenage girls! — Unsigned, by: Master Bates Motel / talk / contribs
I was going to exclaim "Where do these people get off?!", but then I realized that would've been funny. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 01:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)