Talk:Men's movement

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This article is kind of mean

Is there something wrong with men hugging and sharing poetry? What if you don't like fishing? As it stands, the article seems off-mission. I don't see RationalWiki having articles on all themed gatherings. Are Renaissance Festivals next on the agenda? If we're to keep this, I would suggest including more about about their New Age beliefs, and less about making fun of men who don't fit gendered stereotypes. We wouldn't tolerate similar cracks on articles concerning women, so I don't see why we should here--"Shut up, Brx." 03:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Totally on-mission. We wouldn't tolerate similar cracks on articles concerning women Wouldn't we? If there were woman retreats where they got together, scratched their groins while drinking beer and driving bulldozers I am sure we could get a laugh out of it. Aceⁱ⁹ 03:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Renaissance festivals should be on the agenda. Holding up the Middle Ages as a golden age is about as crank as it gets. Secret Squirrel (talk) 00:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I always thought Renaissance festivals were an excuse to hold a fair where everyone gets to dress up. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Some days I wonder if being mean is the whole damned point of the site. And we do make fun of Renaissance Faires (just a little). --TheLateGatsby (talk) 00:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh shit, did I write much of that article? I don't remember doing so... Secret Squirrel (talk) 00:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

The thing about ren faires is that I sort of doubt many people think they are anything but a fun culture artifact. Few tout them as better than reality, and most people who run them admit that it's not an accurate middle ages, but just a fun cartoon of sorts. Mostly the only people who I personally have ever seen that think that the middle ages was like ren faires and thus better than reality are crazy tweenagers who also believe they are magic or nutty people. The fact that this men's movement was sold to people not as merely a fun escape but as a way to sort of fill a societal gap or solve social/personal ills seems to mark it to me as a kind of crank diagnosis/prescription, as opposed to the (fairly; I know how you guys hate social sciences) findings of sociologists concerning male-identified development, identity, and issues. This article needs more expansion on what exactly it was trying to cure- if we are treating it as a crank treatment/spiritual practice, not unlike faux-native-american 'retreats' and other similar woo ±KnightOfTL;DR^{critical thinking is the key to success!} 00:57, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought we went cause we wanted to eat turkey legs, play with swords, and wear things that show off our boobs! oh, yeah, and say "milord" a lot.Godotrien ne marcherait 01:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Some material on the feminist background?

I agree on the mean spiritedness of the article (shaming people for exploring gender roles is problematic, even if the intention was probably to criticize the hypocrisy inherent in discovering feminism then trying to conjure some masculine essential) and would like to add a section regarding the feminist foundations and the eventual split from the feminist movement so readers might draw conclusions regarding current social movements and the possibility of alliances therein. Would it be ok to quote Conell or are web articles preferred? --Lyzz (talk) 19:41, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Comparisons

Is there any comparison to be made with the Re-enactment groups - though the latter do learn skills and make stuff. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:12, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Garbage article

All it does is join the media for mocking the idea of men doing things outside of a prescribed set of actions, set by media considered appropriate for men. I've removed references of suggesting that men rather should go fishing or watch football, which is weird since this same wiki mocks the men's rights movements for the very thing of stereotyping masculinity. Instead of mocking the idea of men reading poetry and discussing feelings, we should be more focused on the actual woo and New Age concepts. The article got a passing mention of the New Age origins, can we focus more on that and less on denigrating exploring gender subscriptions? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)