Talk:Muhammad

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Before you make up anything[edit]

Make sure you translate the versus of the Qur'an Correct...In chapter 4:15 and 4:16...here is the correct tranlsation

4:15: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.

4:16 ALLAH (swt) says: If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.


So please, if you don't know arabic that much, let someone at least who knows good arabic to translate. Otherwise do not make up anything from your mind — Unsigned, by: No need / talk / contribs 23:05, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Possible misinterpretation[edit]

I looked up the quote "I have been made victorious with terror" (added in this edit) and, according to a couple of Islamic sources, this has been taken out of context, is an error in translation and also doesn't justify accusations that Muhammad was a terrorist. I can't read Arabic and the sources may be unreliable so feel free to tell me if you disagree. CowHouse (talk) 06:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Personally I have no idea. But I am reminded of christian reactions to what the bible says about slavery. At one time people read it to literally to what it says but now (most) Christians will jump through hoops in an effort to maintain it says something different.
So I agree your links say something different. But it would be interesting to get a quote from Islamic State or some follower of Wahhabism.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 17:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Uh[edit]

This article should probably be rewritten to be less snarky and more accurate, and are those "depictions" really necessary? Oxyaena Harass 23:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini I`m summoning you to do the job for us. Oxyaena Harass 23:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Browsing this talk page's archives, wow, y'all were really shitty back in the day. Oxyaena Harass 23:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I’ll get on it. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 03:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
While I agree that the casual Islamophobia had to go, I feel like the article's been too sanitised now and reads off like a typical Wikipedia entry. 2402:4000:2381:8E49:78FC:6A5E:4AA3:4F98 (talk) 12:01, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Well, I'm basically finished with the article for now. If anyone wants to snark it up, by all means go ahead. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 18:38, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that would be good, given that our job here is to be snarky at woo and miracle-worker types... 183.83.146.18 (talk) 07:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Monks[edit]

@DuceMoosolini There's an inscription from Muhammad's lifetime or shortly after it by a Christian monk from Syria bemoaning "Muhammad's Arabs," which is more than we can say about Jesus. Oxyaena Harass 22:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Another thing is that the Arabs were obviously unified and then proceeded to go on a huge world conquest within decades of Muhammad's supposed death, we may as well call the unifier of the Arabs the historical Muhammad. Oxyaena Harass 22:03, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, Muhammad was definitely based on a real person, but most of the materials I've looked at doubt whether the legend of Muhammad hasn't been so distorted by time and edits that Muhammad the prophet has become indistinguishable from Muhammad the historical figure. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 00:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Still more than we can say for Jesus, I ultimately think that the Hadiths are more reliable than the Gospels, being that they aren't complete works of fiction as the Gospels are. Granted that's a low bar when saying "x is more reliable than the gospels" but the events they describe match up more with what we know than the Gospels do. Oxyaena Harass 01:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, definitely. The Hadiths are way more useful as historical reference material than the Gospels. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 01:33, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Also, you're right. This article fucking sucks. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 01:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I mean it was written by amateur centrists back in the early days of the wiki, combine the poor quality with the casual Islamophobia (and the shitty behavior in the talk page) and you have a hilariously bad article. Oxyaena Harass 01:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
As for the Hadiths just take the respective author's biases into accounts, ie if it's Sunni vs Shia etc. (Shia accounts tend to be, well, less favorable to the caliphates than Sunni ones are, for obvious reasons of course.) Oxyaena Harass 01:53, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
hey oxyaena you know in the middle east people who are in the lgbtq community like you and me face oppression and some are even killed so why are you defending a group of people that would fucking kill us. — Unsigned, by: 162.238.56.66 / talk
The Middle-East isn't unique in that regard. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:56, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Farewell Sermon[edit]

I removed the part about Muhammad forbidding racism as this most likely didn't happen. More well respected hadith collectors such as Sahih Muslim didn't record him saying this. This came from a guy called Ahmad Ibn Handal who had a tendancy to make up hadiths.Evilatheistheathen (talk) 12:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)