Talk:Muhammad

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@DuceMoosolini There's an inscription from Muhammad's lifetime or shortly after it by a Christian monk from Syria bemoaning "Muhammad's Arabs," which is more than we can say about Jesus. — Oxyaena ^Harass 22:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Another thing is that the Arabs were obviously unified and then proceeded to go on a huge world conquest within decades of Muhammad's supposed death, we may as well call the unifier of the Arabs the historical Muhammad. — Oxyaena ^Harass 22:03, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, Muhammad was definitely based on a real person, but most of the materials I've looked at doubt whether the legend of Muhammad hasn't been so distorted by time and edits that Muhammad the prophet has become indistinguishable from Muhammad the historical figure. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 00:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Still more than we can say for Jesus, I ultimately think that the Hadiths are more reliable than the Gospels, being that they aren't complete works of fiction as the Gospels are. Granted that's a low bar when saying "x is more reliable than the gospels" but the events they describe match up more with what we know than the Gospels do. — Oxyaena ^Harass 01:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. The Hadiths are way more useful as historical reference material than the Gospels. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 01:33, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, you're right. This article fucking sucks. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 01:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I mean it was written by amateur centrists back in the early days of the wiki, combine the poor quality with the casual Islamophobia (and the shitty behavior in the talk page) and you have a hilariously bad article. — Oxyaena ^Harass 01:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

As for the Hadiths just take the respective author's biases into accounts, ie if it's Sunni vs Shia etc. (Shia accounts tend to be, well, less favorable to the caliphates than Sunni ones are, for obvious reasons of course.) — Oxyaena ^Harass 01:53, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

hey oxyaena you know in the middle east people who are in the lgbtq community like you and me face oppression and some are even killed so why are you defending a group of people that would fucking kill us. ^{— Unsigned, by: 162.238.56.66 / talk}

The Middle-East isn't unique in that regard. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:56, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Farewell Sermon

I removed the part about Muhammad forbidding racism as this most likely didn't happen. More well respected hadith collectors such as Sahih Muslim didn't record him saying this. This came from a guy called Ahmad Ibn Handal who had a tendancy to make up hadiths.Evilatheistheathen (talk) 12:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Respectfully, I had to undo this removal. Ahmad ibn Hanbal is an extremely respected Islamic scholar, he literally founded one of the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence. Furthermore, his book of hadith is one of the nine most trusted in Sunni Islam.--Comrade Ziegler (talk) 04:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Reversion

I removed it because it was poorly formatted and unsourced. Carthage (talk) 02:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Criticism of Muhammad

Are we not going to touch more on the Criticism of Muhammad. I mean this website calls Joseph Smith a terorest, are we not going to call Muhammad a war criminal for the massacre of the Banu Qurayza? Add the interesting stuff in the lead. I thought this website was a fun time where people just make jokes. ^{— Unsigned, by: LuxembourgLover / talk / contribs}