Talk:Nobel Prize

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Can anyone think of a category to put this in? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:10, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Good question... on CP it would be easy "liberal... X". How about "science" for now? Since the "real" Nobels are all science prizes? ħuman 03:21, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

It strikes me as a bit of a stretch, but I can't think of anything better. I'll go ahead and add it. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:28, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

As long as we're adding it to "science", I'm also going to add it to human rights; let's not forget the Nobel Peace Prize (one could also argue that the science awards also further human rights, but that's an argument for another time). Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:31, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Sure, OK. The "peace prize", of course, is a Johnny-come-lately and not part of Nobel's legacy. We need to make that clearer. ħuman 03:39, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Peace was one of the original 5 [1]. - User$\scriptstyle h/2\hbar$_{Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work.} 03:43, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

What's a "Johnny-come-lately"? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:45, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Someone who was not there from the start, like me. - User$\scriptstyle h/2\hbar$_{Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work.} 03:46, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Peace - added much later.(& not selected by the same committee I think?). Isn't there a category: "International organizations" or similar? There'd be lots of candidates worthy of reference: UN, Amnesty Int'l, Greenpeace at first thought & Nobel Org, or whatever, would be a candidate. Cayce_Pattern

It was not added later, read the link. - User$\scriptstyle h/2\hbar$_{Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work.} 03:50, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

You're right, my mistake it was economics that was first awarded in 1969. memory lapse sorry. The peace prize is the odd one out because it's administered from Norway , all the rest are Swedish. Cayce_Pattern 03:56, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

I was told by a Norwegian that was because Norway never started a war or something. - User$\scriptstyle h/2\hbar$_{Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work.} 06:04, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Really? We can only blame them for the Vikings then?--Bob^{bing up} 06:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Vikings are a liberal myth to take credit away from Christians. - User$\scriptstyle h/2\hbar$_{Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work.} 06:17, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

An interesting, if somewhat confusing, proposition.--Bob^{bing up} 06:21, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Jewish Nobel Prizes

I created a separate article of Jewish Nobel Prizes, which is a recurrent topic in discussions about the Israel / Palestine conflict, and about Islam. It was deleted, but I have asked for reinstatement. Otherwise, the issue could go here instead. Any comments? Drelane (talk) 12:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Yep. Keep Dawkins out of this article. For someone who is not aware of the context, your wording would imply that Dawkins made a comparison solely between Muslims and Jews, misrepresenting the incident. It should be covered with the appropriate nuance in Richard Dawkins, not here.

And if Dawkins is not included, I can't see much point in mentioning Jewish laureates.--ZooGuard (talk) 18:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

My edits have been reverted. The reason to include the issue of Jewish Nobel Laureates here is that lists of Jewish Nobel Laureates are used for propaganda purposes, specifically against Muslims. Richard Dawkins did make a specific comparison between Muslims and Jews, on the basis of the number of Nobel Prizes won by each group, and was criticised in the British media [2] for Islamophobia. The high percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates, about one-fifth of the total, is also cited as evidence for the claim that Ashkenazi Jews have a higher-than-average IQ. So it is not simply Dawkins, and the Nobel Prize article seems the appropriate place to include the issue. Some people here evidently think it is antisemitic to raise the issue: perhaps they can explain why.Drelane (talk) 10:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

What part of the point above didn't you understand? Also, how many Ashkenazi Jews have won a Nobel, if their IQ is so relevant? Raise it on the Dawkins page, in the proper context - and without quoting the Daily Fail as a source - or stop your whining. --PsyGremlin^Hable! 10:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

In the US 27% of Nobel prize winners have Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. [3] Maybe it is better to start a separate article on the Ashkenazi intelligence issue. Drelane (talk) 11:27, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Economics

There is no Nobel Prize in economics. There's a prize that a bunch of quacks call a Nobel Prize in economics, but it is not one of the actual Nobel Prizes, nor was it established by Alfred Nobel. The article should be edited to reflect this.70.71.152.200 (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

You are right, the economics price does not have to do anything with Nobel... Pizzameister (talk) 00:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

And a mathematician shagged Nobel's wife, so there's no Nobel prize for them, either.--Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 17:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC) 17:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

That story lacks credibility... Mathematicians actually getting some? Puhlease... Pizzameister (talk) 17:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

The case of Jocelyn Bell was not sexism?

I find it problematic that the article implies that sexism was not a reason why Jocelyn Bell was denied the Nobel Prize: "Prizes in the natural sciences are often given to individuals with the broadest scope of contributions, rather than just initial discoveries, so while Bell's lack of a prize was controversial and widely criticized by the astronomy community, it wasn't due to the assumptions at play among those who simply want to attack science." People have been awarded the Nobel prize for just discovering things. Koichi Tanaka won a Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 2002 solely for "initial discoveries", and he only had a bachelor's degree. MayGodSaveUsAll (talk) 21:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Bell even said "the fact that I was a graduate student and a woman, together, demoted my standing in terms of receiving a Nobel prize." [4] MayGodSaveUsAll (talk) 21:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long for someone to respond, but I rewrote the section to something hopefully less garbage. Carthage (talk) 16:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Nobel Memorial Prize

Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences — The Nobel Prize in Economics was established only in 1969, almost 70 years after the others. As a result, some people that adhere to fringe ideologies and economic denialism claim that it isn't an actual Nobel Prize. Nonetheless, the laureates are selected by The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences (the same institution that selects the Nobel Prize in Physics and Chemistry[7]) according to the same principles as for the Nobel Prizes that have been awarded since 1901,[8] and the Nobel Foundation recognizes it as a Nobel Prize.[9]

This butthurt defense of the inclusion of the Nobel Memorial Prize as a "real Nobel prize" is contradicted by the section just below it which is much more critical of the Prize in question. I also checked the last reference cited for the "Nobel Foundation recognizes it as a prize," and this is what they said:

The Nobel Prizes were designated in the will of Alfred Nobel and are in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and peace. The economics prize was established much later and is a memorial prize, as indicated by its full name: the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. Its addition was an exception, to celebrate the tercentenary of Sweden’s central bank in 1968.

They say that the "Nobel Prizes are designated in the will of Alfred Nobel and are in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and peace." Notice how it doesn't list the economic prize in that list? It's listed almost as an afterthought. Does this mean that the Prize isn't a "real Nobel prize"? I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the quality of this paragraph is rather shoddy, and that it contradicts other parts of the article, which seem more well thought out than a paragraph hastily typed out in anger. Carthage (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

There's not a correct answer. A bunch of bankers used money to buy the prestige of the Nobel prizes, and they sort of succeeded. Some of the prestige rubbed off, but some people roll their eyes at treating the econ prize like it's equal to the others. And no matter how we frame those facts in this article, both will remain true. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 14:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I trimmed and clarified that list item a bit, removing the apparently false association of all distinctions between it and the other Nobel prizes with crankery. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 15:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I didn't read the thread (really busy now), but the older text was a terrible choice of words from my part, years ago no less. I take the responsibility for the mistake, but kind of sad that these problems endure for so long. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 16:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)