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Extortion 17

Did this actually happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtJrJ40Cio&noredirect=1#t=3991

Apparently in this video a bunch of NAVY SEAL family member say what really happened when looking for Pakistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNYIWK6Nfdw

And then one whistleblower elaborates.

Did this actually happen?--ReptoidKiller (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

The whisteblower in the second video? That's Charles Strange. I'd like to see Rationalwiki try to explain away this one. Especially since in the first video, it's not JUST him to blows the whistle. many, MANY seal members do.--67.5.250.119 (talk) 00:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Seriously watch the video, Rationalwiki. It will probably be a theory you won't be able to debunk! QAnd it's all over the internet too! Search "Exorcism 17"! It shows what really happened when they were Killing Osama Bin Laden!--67.5.250.119 (talk) 01:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Still waiting!--67.5.250.119 (talk) 03:19, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

You can't really expect us to make a well researched accurate article in a matter of hours. From what I've seen, and I will admit I don't know much about this topic, this was a tragic mistake that resulted in the loss of 38 lives. Should more attention have been payed to security? Yes, is this really a scandal? Probably not, I haven't seen any evidence of a real cover-up. Samstr (talk) 03:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

It might be worth looking into, though. Obviously not too quickly, but the right are taking it pretty seriously:

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/michael-strange-really-die-afghanistan/

An example. Just saying it would be a good idea to look into it a bit. Take your time.--67.5.250.119 (talk) 16:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

So.. do you HAVE AN EXPLANATION why EVWRY NAVY SEAL FAMILY MEMBER IS CALLING THIS A CONSPIRACY?68.116.121.14 (talk) 06:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps because that's more comforting than the idea that your relative's death was caused by simple incompetence? Charles Strange and his grief over the death of his son is absolutely understandable, but as far as I can see there's no evidence he was involved in OBL's death. Is the suggestion that every man involved in the op was packed into Extortion 17 and blown up (the callsign was not Exorcism; or is that some other horseshit theory?)? Because that's not only the dumbest thing I've ever heard, it's also just plain wrong. Several of the SEALs involved in that op went on the write books about the whole thing years later (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us/bin-laden-book-seal-team-6.html) Matt Bissonnette and Rob O'Neill are still alive and well. I guess the conspirators just forgot about them, huh? According to AP and NYT "Some of those Seals [who were killed] were members of Seal Team 6 that took part in the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, the AP reported today; although they were not actual participants in the Pakistan raid, according to the New York Times." (https://theworld.org/stories/2011-08-06/navy-seals-unit-killed-bin-laden-among-those-lost-helicopter-crash) This is hardly surprising, since SEAL Team 6 (or DevGru, as it's now known) consists of 1,342 military personnel. It's your job to provide actual evidence, not the other way around; you can't debunk something for which there is no proof. And since when is Youtube considered a reliable source for anything? 2A00:23C7:99A4:5000:163:BADC:9A67:E4B6 (talk) 11:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

... and you waited nearly a decade to make this point. Well done. Exceptional self restraint. Kencolt (talk) 22:47, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Better late than never. ;) 2A00:23C7:99A4:5000:CCC2:6F0F:2A55:DA3 (talk) 12:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Qutbism

Michael Scheuer, the Bin Laden Station Chief from 1996 to '99 and was eventually driven out by the neocons in 2004, who wrote what some call 'the definitive bin Laden biography', says the myth bin Laden was a Qutbi is "Saudi spin" (pgs. 56-60). Anyone have objections to stripping out the references to Qutbism right now? it'll be reintegrated later in a discussion of bin Laden's relationship with Zawahiri. nobs^{It all depends what ISIS is.} 14:38, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Saudi spin

Here's a very good example of the power and influence of the Saudi religious establishment: they have been able to get Saudi "spin" in Wikipedia's Beliefs and ideology of Osama bin Laden.

Bin Laden's ideological guides have proven to be Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah, and Sayyid Qutb. Although perceptions to the contrary abound, bin Laden has not been influenced greatly by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab or the Wahhabi school of thought, and he is not a good example of contemporary Wahhabi Islam as practiced in Saudi Arabia.[4]

This is classic Saudi Wahhabi religious establishment spin. More recently, in dealing with their ISIS enemies, Qutbism has been dropped in favor of Kharajite (ISIS accuses the Saudis of being Kharajites as well). In all three examples, bin Laden, the Saudi religious establishment, and ISIS, ALL THREE are followers of Wahhabi doctrine, with ISIS being the most hardline, bin Laden the most mainstream, and the Saudi religious establishment being the most tolerant in interpretation. nobs^{It all depends what ISIS is.} 15:24, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

His Nose

I've seen videos of his face and they show at one point his nose starts looking different, is it Photoshop, a nose job, or legit.... what's yall's opinion?--Rimuru Tempest (talk) 19:52, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Some say it means he is not the same guy.--Rimuru Tempest (talk) 19:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Googling "Osama Bin Laden nose" just turned up websites comparing two different pictures of him that were clearly the same person and arguing that they looked completely different, the standard extraordinary claims with no evidence. Christopher (talk) 20:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, that's what I thought. I just heard it recently. Even one that says Obama is Bin Laden--Rimuru Tempest (talk) 20:27, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Osama bin Laden's hard drive has been shown

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-02/osama-bin-laden-hard-drive-documents-released/9110704

I like how among them, there is New Super Mario Bros. and Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, the most deranged of video games. Oh, and other things like Ice Age: Dawn of Dinosaurs, Cars, National Geographic documentaries, and videos on how to crotchet flowers. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 20:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

The presence of 'The New Pearl Harbour'

What do you think the presence of 'The New Pearl Harbour' in Bin Laden's bookshelf show? Perhaps he was interested in how his actions could be blamed on someone else?--Teerthaloke101 (talk) 15:48, 2 October 2019 (UTC)