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An especially vile site with too much notoriety. Putting this up here as a notice to anyone that wants to help.-Maeve (talk) 00:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

• Edit, this is a wiki.--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 10:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC) 10:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Anglin works for the Southern Poverty Law Center

Anglin is not a real nationalist, but works for the Southern Poverty Law Center. The latter has many spies in the US posing as nationalists, just like how Hope not Hate does the same in UK. Anglin's goal is to demonise Donald Trump by associating him with Neo-Nazism and holocaust denial etc. He wears a pro-Trump hat, yet click on his website and its crazy conspiracy theories about Jews. He's trying to loose Trump as much support as possible.Schizophrenic (talk) 17:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Of course, of course. As much as I am inclined to agree with you, you wouldn't by chance happen to have any evidence for this, would you? – AOAPJM ^(talk) 18:12, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Donald Trump isn't a white supremacist or Holocaust denier, by associating his white supremacy and anti-Semitic views with Trump - Anglin is trying to loose him voters. I also went to the Daily Stormer today to see Anglin calling Obama an "ape" and posting a pro-Breivik article. Breivik guy was a mass-murderer, who killed people as young as 14. Do you not see what Anglin is doing? He's trying to demonise nationalism (and Trump in particular) with very offensive material he can find. On top of that, as this RW page points out - his girlfriend until recently was Filipino. He then re-invents himself (literally overnight) as a hard-core fascist white nationalist. I don't think so. He's works for the Southern Poverty Law Center. His real politics views are probably even further left-wing than Rationalwiki. Schizophrenic (talk) 18:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

He's praised the death of people,even children, numerous times. Somehow this doesn't turn people off to his site. I wish he actually didn't mean what he says.But he likely does. Part of it is just pandering to his audience.-Maeve (talk) 03:33, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, so does Michael Coombs (Mikemikev), Anglin's UK equivalent who works for Hope not Hate. No surpise, Michael is also a regular poster at the Daily Stormer.

https://mikemikevwatch.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/michael-coombs-killing-children-is-funny/ These people have the same modus operandi, they sit on forums all day typing obscene statements such as killing children etc. to demonise nationalism. They're far left-wing anti-racists who impersonate far right extremists online, then type ridiculous statements to portray nationalism as insane.Schizophrenic (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Please provide an actual source or evidence that he works or has worked for the SLPC. Other wise, f-off with this conspiracy crap. Petey Plane (talk) 17:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Another one

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/08/04/daily-stormer-plans-real-world-army-offering-recruits-firearms-training-dating-tips/#more-24652 FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 17:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

"hunt and capture your own women as part of the [club’s regular] operations.” I always love how guys like this tacitly admit that they're losers. Petey Plane (talk) 17:10, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

of course Anglin wants to turn nationalists away from real politics, to crazy militias and violence. This just confirms to me he's an agent provocateur.Schizophrenic (talk) 17:13, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Again, provide objective evidence to back up your belief that he works for the SPLC. No one cares what you think about him, only what you are able to support. Petey Plane (talk) 17:18, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

That's known as confirmation bias, Schizophrenic. --Castaigne2 (talk) 19:13, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Petey Plan, what evidence do you have Anglin is a nationalist? You don't provide any evidence for your claims. In contrast I've actually provided evidence. You ran away from it on my talk page, you stop responding once I refuted you. Your posts are filled with words like "objective" and "rational", yet you're a crank - its rather laughable you think Anglin is a nationalist when even a website as toxic to nationalism as Stormfront wants nothing to do with him.Schizophrenic (talk) 14:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

When someone launches a few Neo-Nazi websites and writes for them full-time you hardly need any further evidence. You only have provided No True Scotsman conspiracy theories instead for evidence of him being a SPLC mole. Stormfront doesn't want to do anything with him - so what? Can't they have differences? Even Hitler and Mussolini had their differences. Also the bit about him having a Filipino girlfriend, you can find examples of racist white men dating and/or raping POC women. It has happened before. ∈ NameThatNobodyTakes (✎) 14:33, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

No, its not only Stormfront criticizing him, but Jared Taylor (American Renaissance) and many others. He's been called an agent provocateur/mole/plant by most other white nationalist groups in America: "it is hard not to conclude that Anglin is a paid shill and agent provocateur, whose purpose is simply to infest and discredit White nationalism." http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-daily-stormer-interview-20150624-story.html Right now Anglin is trying to loose Donald Trump voters by associating him with Hitler etc. Most likely in 2017 he will then go on to demonise Marine Le Pen's candidacy for the presidential election in France. Watch his website next year, like what he's doing to Trump now, he'll be trying to loose Le Pen voters. Schizophrenic (talk) 15:24, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Other white nationalist groups using No True Scotsman to unclaim Anglin from the wider movement is no proof, just as much as any leftists ranging from libertarian socialists to even Leninists claiming that Stalin and Mao were no socialists is any proof of them not belonging under the umbrella of the ideology. You imply as if it's impossible for the far-right to be sectarian when in fact it's far from a mystery that right-wing loons like to other people and be divisive, why should they stop among their brethren? Their entire ideologies mostly revolve around being in a permanent witch hunt! For the record, Trump and Le Pen are doing enough on their own already to be unattractive candidates. ∈ NameThatNobodyTakes (✎) 15:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, Rationalwiki's proof Anglin is a nationalist seems to be he says he is. Kent Hovind says the world is 6000 years, I guess it must be because he said so. A great rational site you have here.Schizophrenic (talk) 21:09, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Wow; you feel that was an apt anology you attempted there? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 21:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

• Premise 1: Well, Schizophrenic's proof Anglin is not a nationalist seems to be "not only Stormfront, [...] but Jared Taylor and many others" saying he isn't.
• Premise 2: "Kent Hovind says the world is 6000 years [old], I guess it must be because he said so."
• Conclusion: A great rational mind you have here, Schizophrenic. ∈ NameThatNobodyTakes (✎) 21:32, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

No I've already listed plenty of evidence. The people here though don't accept it because it doesn't fit with their own bias/politics/worldview. I've shown other people the replies here and even they are laughing at you buffoons. White nationalists have Filipino girlfriends? Thanks for the comedy.Schizophrenic (talk) 23:43, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

The only "proof" was Anglin walking around a mall with a giggling Filipino girl (which also could've just be an acquaintance) rambling about consumerism (the leaked video which only the alt-right cared about) - this could very well been shot back when he was into "all that Communist, Jewish stuff." Look at this if you want an example for white supremacist on POC dating. European conquerors (which let's face it were white supremacists) raped women at every place they invaded. As for my own anecdotal evidence (which should be as strong as an evidence as your conspiracy theories) I knew of a Neo-Nazi who fucked with a Vietnamese woman. Why does it strike you as so incomprehensible that men don't give a fuck about ideology when they want to bust a nut? So you say the people who you've shown our replies laughed because it proves we are buffoons? You only presented conspiracy theories, confirmation bias, argument by repetition and far-rightists using No True Scotsman (which by the way was the only link you ever provided) as evidence. I guess it's time to admit that your "rationality" is burning this site. ∈ NameThatNobodyTakes (✎) 09:19, 21 August 2016 (UTC)