Talk:Tony Abbott

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Tony Abbott with all his friends...[edit]

We should ask if we can use this picture. - π 02:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Haha, Tony Abbott gets punched in the face[edit]

I dunno if this really adds anything of value to the article. (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Speaking as an Australian, it really really does - David Gerard (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I'll take your word for it then. (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
But I thought you were British you stinky liar |₹Λ¥$€₦₦ Star of David.png I... I AM A MONSTER... COACH 20:57, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
As Australian as a pint of Fosters. Tielec01 (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
So very English then? - π 07:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
You would probably believe how many Engrish greeted me with a can of UK Fosters in my first year here, thinking I'd therefore feel in any way well-disposed toward them - David Gerard (talk) 23:23, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Abbott birtherism[edit]

This article should mention it, just because it is kind of funny Australia has a smaller, almost universally ignored, birther movement. - π 10:08, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorta. This one has some plausible legal substance to it (he was born in the UK therefore a UK citizen and didn't appear to have renounced his UK citizenship before taking his seat), though it's similarly going nowhere - David Gerard (talk) 13:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but given the purge that went on after 1996 election of duel citizen holders you don't think Labour would have outed him if they could find anything? - π 07:16, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Here's my theory: when initially elected to Parliament in 1994, Tony Abbott was still a British citizen. Around the time of the Sue v Hill case, he renounced his British citizenship. So, today he would be legally an MP - even if he was illegally an MP at one point, that illegality would have been cured at the first election after his citizenship renunciation - and thus legally PM as well. But there is some possibility that his being an MP in the 1990s was actually illegal (depending on whether Sue v Hill is considered to be retroactive or not). That would have no legal consequences for the present, but would be rather embarrassing, which likely explains why he has refused to release his citizenship renunciation papers. Blacke (talk) 07:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I would like to say that that is an amusingly backwards prohibition to have at all. WalkerWalkerWalker 07:26, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Sue v Hill was a rather silly High Court decision. Yes, the Australian constitution says that MPs cannot have allegiance to a "foreign power"; but from an originalist viewpoint, that clearly meant "foreign to the British Empire", since until 1949 there was no separate UK and Australian citizenships. If British citizenship was meant to be an obstacle to being an MP, then for the first 48 years of the Commonwealth of Australia's existence, the whole Parliament was unconstitutional, since they were all British citizens then. This is a (maybe somewhat rare) example of where originalist constitutional theory actually produces the more logical result. Blacke (talk) 07:30, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
How is it silly? Britain has been a foreign power since 1988. All that has happened is that the definition of which countries are and aren't foreign powers changed to include everyone that isn't Australia. - π 04:24, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I meant more generally on any dual citizenships, honestly. If the voters are worried of it in a specific case, there's the electoral process for that. WalkerWalkerWalker 07:38, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm still pissed at the German state for making me and my parents give up the Russian citizenship to get the German one...--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 07:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

How far to Silver?[edit]

Ideas? Note the amount of sources. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 01:25, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Needs a rewrite in non-Plutonium, which would probably halve its length - David Gerard (talk) 08:01, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
I am fluent in Plutonium, but not passive aggression. I added the section regarding the NBN, barely touched the rest. If you want to trim it down, be my guest. Just be aware that Reverend Percy Black is pathological when it comes to things. One word gets deleted and he can't get an erection for months. Plutoniumboss (talk) 00:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Actually, your resistance is only making my penis harder. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Alright, you chuckle fuck. I'm going to edit this down, and we'll see if you can suppress your OCD long enough for Gerard to award your filthy lucre. Plutoniumboss (talk) 07:40, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
??? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 10:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)