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The Zionist Overlords of Rationalwiki (ZOoRW) have eagerly awaited you, or people like you Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Because it's completely unthinkable there'd be multiple people opposed to your sheer Israel apologetics? Please. (talk) 23:44, 29 August 42015 AQD (UTC)
Well her/his edits thus far are only to Mona's User talk. (s)he seems to hold a very similar or downright identical view on Zionism as she does. And (s)he seems to know more thaen the average newbie about the community here and how stuff works. And (s)he links to the same handbook, Mona likes to link to. None of these are sufficient to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt, but they are interesting tidbits nonetheless...Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I am not Mona, whoever she is. (By which I mean, I know of her posts on this site, but I don't know her off this site in any way - I have not encountered her on any other website, nor in real life. And she doesn't know me either.) Blacke (talk) 23:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Care to explain why your very first edit was something on her talk page and how the other things I remarked upon above came to pass? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Have you taken a look at RecentChanges recently? When most activity on the wiki is happening on Talk:Zionism, what do you expect, exactly? No need to be so paranoid, Avenger. (talk) 00:04, 30 August 42015 AQD (UTC)
(ec) Do I even sound like Mona? If you listen to the way she writes, and the way I write - you will detect a rather different voice. Blacke (talk) 00:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
We shall see. But let me just say this: Mona's user talk was not in the recent changes all that often, and I am furthermore not the only person to raise this possibility. After all, you claim not to know her, so you cannot possibly be one of the "Journo-buddies"....(The term of course will make no sense to you, unless you have been following Mona to a degree that would equal stalking...Or were involved in the kerfuffle yourselve) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I didn't go to Mona's talk page because I saw it in RC. I went to Mona's talk page because I know how wikis work, and I know what Talk pages are. I've seen a lot of Zionism discussions here recently, which I have been following, and I saw Mona contributing to them, and I liked her viewpoint. I don't know what "journo-buddies" means exactly - I assume journalist friends of hers she might have mentioned at some point? I am not familiar with that particular conversation, and would have no idea who her friends are (as I said, I don't know her beyond this wiki). Blacke (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Well User:-Mona- claims to be friends with Glenn Greenwald and we have discussed a twitter feed that may have been edited by the same person that uses the handle "-Mona-" over here. And the person using the username as well the twitter feed in question suggested "exposing" our Zionist evil-doing to her "Journo-buddies" Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:32, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Blacke: Avenger keeps himself hermetically sealed here at RW guarding the Zionism entry and any other from edits that do not reflect how fantabulous Israel and Zionism are. He has no idea how many people there are of my POV these days. The Zionist narrative is falling, and he refuses to see it. So, I must you and vice versa, or something. (This can get confusing, since Glenn Greenwald is often accused of being me.)---Mona- (talk) 00:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
(KUS EMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEK edit conflict) Mona is yapping about the BDS-Endsieg on tons of talkpages with no regard for topic or facts.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:41, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
"Well User:-Mona- claims to be friends with Glenn Greenwald" Actually, I've told you I am the "Holland" in his former law firm, Greenwald, Christoph and Holland.---Mona- (talk) 00:38, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Well on the interwebz, nobody knows you are a dog. Until and unless there is proof beyond any - even the unreasonable - doubt, I will simply assume you to be just an editor of RW who might conceivably be connected to the twitter feed in question but does not necessarily have to be. If you think about it, this is actually an assumption in your favor... We could of course cut the knot by sending you something that you can only see via your RW account and you post this on Twitter. That way we could be sure the accounts are operated by the same (group of) person(s) Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Wait, what? Who ever said you were Glenn Greenwald? Even he himself cannot have such a gigantic man-crush on him like you do. And that is saying quite a lot as he is gay and not at all entirely unattractive from what I am able to observe... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Mona, you used to work with Glenn Greenwald: I did not know that, that's cool. Glenn Greenwald has done such amazing things. Blacke (talk) 00:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, you two should really get to know each other. Maybe even meet up some time? Just sayin'... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm a married man. (And not to Mona.). And I have an extremely low view of adultery. Blacke (talk) 01:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I was not insinuating adultery. Though it is interesting that was the first conclusion you draw... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:16, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
What's interesting is how readily you jump at the opportunity to insinuate things. (talk) 01:18, 30 August 42015 AQD (UTC)
Blacke, please just always assume Avenger is grossly misleading you, if not outright lying. I had no problem owning my Twitter account and myself posted a tweet someone had alluded to -- he knows that. He's just practicing the usual obnoxious Zionist misdirection and insinuation. From now on, I will be mostly ignoring him. Not entirely, but mostly. It's really the best way to handle his whataboutery, misdirection and various other bullshit ploys.---Mona- (talk) 01:31, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
"Who ever said you were Glenn Greenwald? " No one here. Frequently elsewhere.---Mona- (talk) 01:33, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────And all that for saying User:-Mona- and the person who is behind this talk page should meet up some time. Which in my world means precisely that: A meeting of the two people might be fun for both parties. But of course it's Zionist adulterous misdirection... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 01:38, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Anyone interested can find my Twitter account here (which I've posted here before): @MonaHol. Upon reading my bio and scanning my tweets going back a few days or a week, it will be found that the likelihood of that account on the one hand, and the person writing these words on the other, not being the same individual is slim to none. Zionist codswallop notwithstanding.---Mona- (talk) 01:48, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I believe you. Blacke (talk) 01:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Well there is a good deal of evidence that the Twitter and the userpage are indeed the same person. Especially as User:-Mona- keeps claiming so herself. However, I dislike doxxing and unless there is conclusive proof, I will assume what is most likely to be wrong, that while very likely, it is not necessarily true. And ultimately doesn't matter all that much. If and when Mona's "Journo-Buddies" do publish the famed article, we might reevaluate, but right now, what happens on the Twitters shall stay there and Mona shall only be judged for her shenanigans over here. We might even assume for the sake of argument that this user here is not a sockpuppet of her. Though it may well be a sockpuppet of some third party... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 02:11, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Let's try this again[edit]

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And I do apologize for the kerfluffle above. WalkerWalkerWalker 05:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Check out PacWalker's Page[edit]

He started a rewrite of the Zionism entry at his talk page -- -- asked me on board, and I'm asking you. I know some have time limitations and this may incoude you, but if some of us calmer folk -- not blinded by Zionism -- can work out something reasonable, we might have a good shot at replacing the mess at the actual article itself.---Mona- (talk) 19:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

So that's where you get the third party for your triumvirate, that's not three men... Well good riddance. Maybe we will get something like an essay after all... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hope to see see u busy again![edit]

A hardrive crash forced me away for better than a week, but --- I'm back! I hope to return some to the Zionism draft by Wednesday. I've really only done significant work up thru the "geopolitical" section. Anyway, if you'd perhaps thought I'd left and abandoned all the work to you, it's not so!---Mona- (talk) 00:49, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Isn't it interesting...[edit]

That both you and Mona disappeared for a similar amount of time and thaen reappeared at almost the same point in time writing from a similar standpoint on articles mostly about Zionism/Israel taking the triple D standpoint (delegitimization, demonization, double standard). Am I seeing ghosts? Am I suggesting things? Am I just asking questions? Will we ever know? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:17, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Coincidence? I am not Mona. I live in Australia. I don't know where she lives, but I assume US somewhere. I am male and she is female. She is a lawyer, I work in IT. A couple of other points (1) I posted an essay defending Eron Gjoni - I have not seen Mona show any interest in GamerGate, I don't know what her views on it are, they are quite possibly very different from mine (2) you will see my recent post on the Saloon Bar poking fun at Bill Muehlenberg's blog. Do you think Mona would have the slightest idea who he is or care? (Of course I am assuming, but it's probably a pretty safe assumption.) Whereas, as an Australian - well, most Australians probably don't remember who Bill is either, but a few of them might remember his occasional contributions to newspaper columns, radio interviews, Quadrant Magazine (not exactly popular reading, but it is influential at the more intellectual end of Australian conservatism) Blacke (talk) 23:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Pay him no mind for now Blacke. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Zionist paranoia is amusing. Blacke (talk) 23:30, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Of course. People who dare to raise tough questions must be Zionists. And people who oppose you must do it because they are Zionist. Pray tell me more about the World Zionist Conspiracy Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:37, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I wasn't referring to any "World Zionist Conspiracy", I don't believe in such a thing. I was referring to your paranoia that Mona & I are the same person (despite plenty of evidence that we aren't), and you spend so much time defending Zionism it seems pretty obvious that you are a Zionist. (And CorruptUser's paranoia too, cooping Mona & I for allegedly being the same person.) Blacke (talk) 23:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I was just pointing out some coincidences that may be perceived as evidence one way or the other... You are free to point out evidence to the contrary, as you already have Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 23:44, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Wow, they actually got cooped? This is a shitstorm. Time to Lancb. <-𐌈FedoraTippingSkeptic𐌈-> (talk) 23:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Knock yourself out. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:01, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
You could only check that, if there was a thing such as CheckUser on RW and there isn't unless someone hacked the wiki-software here to show a false error message, but there is no proof for that and it is also highly unlikely <rant>(seeing, that a mere update of the software takes fucking AGES here!!)</rant>.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 14:47, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
RW had CheckUser installed previously. It was very controversial and was removed. Now, a large part of the controversy was because the server admin at the time did it without consulting the community. But, it was clear from the discussion, that if they had consulted the community, the community would have rejected with it. Blacke (talk) 22:22, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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For a moment there I thought your page'd been vandalised again with the latest conspiracy sockpuppet theory. (talk) 00:11, 19 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

I thought everyone knew by now that I am a sock of you. Blacke (talk) 00:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Dearest sock[edit]

Please, if you have any time, take a look at the Zionism draft. Paravant wanted me to submit to the users at large this past weekend but I wasn't comfortable with it yet. There's just too much still undone (Altho, in sourcing alone it has the other version beat hands down, even only about half finished.) These are the sections in which I've done little or nothing and which therefore need attention -- or merging or deletion:

1.4.1 Geopolitical Zionism (I added some but needs more)

1.5 Idea of transfer

2 The implementation of the idea

2.1 Prior to 1917, or the boring chapters at the beginning

2.2 The Balfour Declaration, or politics as usual

2.3 The interwar period, or the storm before the storm

2.5 The State of Israel is Founded

2.6 Post-independence, or they all die in the end

3 Anti-Zionism

3.1 Jews opposed to Zionism

3.1.1 Religious opposition

3.2 Anti-Zionism as a screen for anti-Semitism

I omitted the section on Secular Jewish opposition to Zionism because altho not done I will be getting to it shortly. The rest need help (and you are, of course, also free to edit anything wrong in the sections I've done). I tentatively plan to submit this draft for consideration, discussion and adoption in part or whole in the next few days. Unless you object? Thanks.---Mona- (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Dearest sock, I will try to review it one night this week if I get the chance. Unfortunately I am pretty busy with work during the week. However, don't wait for me to review it to push it forward - even if I might not agree with 100% of what you have said, it's already a great improvement on the original. Blacke (talk) 23:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Roger all that.---Mona- (talk) 23:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Cowards, Cowards All[edit]

Y'know, it's really interesting how neither you nor any of the gators that come slumming around here have the balls to ever to reply to me. Why is that? Too aggro for you? --Castaigne (talk) 00:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

You are a scary person. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 00:56, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
They have read their Mark Twain - Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. Tielec01 (talk) 00:57, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
I fail to see how I could possibly be scary. I am human; you are human; we are both capable of the same things. There is never any reason to be frightened or scared of another human because you can go just as far as your opponent can. All it takes is the will to do so. --Castaigne (talk) 15:12, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Well maybe it is because of your views on Zionism...? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 18:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Identify a specific comment of yours you were hoping for a reply to, and I may consider replying to it. Recently I have been finding better things to do with my life than waste my time on this joke of a webshite. Blacke (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, do note that Avenger and Arisboch have gotten their sysop status revoked, and both were on patrolled status --Avenger still is. He was vandal-binned and then blocked just yesterday. Basically, we can now do editing that is an affront to Zionist sensibilities. See the Zionism article now for starters. Of course, a huge number of articles remain very poorly sourced -- so yeah, much here is shite.---Mona- (talk) 22:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)