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Post-move problems/reports[edit]

Please use this space to report any problems issues post-move so I can keep them in one place and address them

Performance sucks and the forums aren't working. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 12:11, 7 January 2009 (EST)

LaTeX and math rendering[edit]

As you know, there are some problems. They initially showed up as some kind of failure to create a temporary directory. That has been fixed, but now it says "PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex, dvips, gs, and convert".

While making some tweaks to the limit (mathematics) page, I noticed something about this. The LaTeX math mechanism mostly works, but the error can be tripped by the use of the "backslash comma" construction. This creates an extremely short space. I routinely use it to force the LaTeX rendering. It seems that, depending on one's options, simple math equations that the plain html rendering could handle are done that way, without invoking LaTeX. It often looks crufty when done that way, so I often put the backslash comma thing in to force LaTeX. That seems to be what's causing the problem, or one of the things causing it.

Gauss 12:14, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Hopefully this at least is fixed. tmtoulouse 21:49, 7 January 2009 (EST)


Perhaps, but don't let it go to your head. I ain't gonna spend 6 hours making you another barnstar! Nice job. Well done. Have the best part of this freshly roasted goat. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:15, 8 January 2009 (EST)

You certainly are. Math rendering is fixed. Well done! Gauss 00:20, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Congratulations on getting things back on the straight and narrow. Nods.gif Hope you didn't lose too much sleep.--Bobbing up 03:18, 8 January 2009 (EST)
My son, I see the sunset shine about a baby bee.The electrocutioner 05:00, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Tmtoulouse: You are fabulous. fröhlich "gay" or "happy" 06:38, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Things appear to be working OK. Well done on getting it all sorted out. Just don't go spilling beer all over the server when you hold them wild student orgies. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 07:37, 8 January 2009 (EST)


Have you disabled MediaWiki:Common.js? I think it was working yesterday, but now ConservapediaUndergroundResistor is bothering me because his custom list of block reasons isn't showing up. -- Nx talk 16:52, 8 January 2009 (EST)

I think we've lost Javascrpt altogether. fröhlich "gay" or "happy" 17:02, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Have you noticed anything missing on the edits bar window? Like the automatic intalize or auto sig? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 18:52, 8 January 2009 (EST)
As Frohlich said we have lost Javascript at the moment. Why don't you play with your cats until it is all fixed? By the way Trent the error for capturebot is when it is trying to read the js so that should go away when it is fixed (I hope).- User 18:55, 8 January 2009 (EST)
RationalWikiWiki is going to be my destination. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 18:58, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Back. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 19:05, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Any progress? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 19:33, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Just leave him to get on with it! Not that I should think he'd bother to answer. fröhlich "gay" and "happy" 19:35, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for fixing Javascript -- Nx talk 18:21, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Borken feature[edit]

I know you're busy on the JS, but the little "edit 0" tab is gone borked. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:50, 8 January 2009 (EST)

presume it's all to do with Javascript bein' dysfunctional. fröhlich "gay" and "happy" 22:05, 8 January 2009 (EST)
UPLOAD!!!!!! Toast 04:14, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Community Standards[edit]

In an effort to update our sometimes too-vague and too-often ignored current Community Standards, I drafted a possible update of them. The draft can be found here. I invite you, and the rest of the site, to discuss this important issue. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:37, 9 January 2009 (EST)


That's a shit situation if I've ever heard of one. What are his prison tattoos? Butterflies and pictures of Gandhi? CorryHey, who wants to take me to the hospital? 00:43, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Crap designs and the ubiquitous "505" area code tattoo. tmtoulouse 00:48, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Well, it's better than swastikas, etc. CorryHey, who wants to take me to the hospital? 00:55, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Don't they have "Dear Abbey" for situations like this? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:27, 11 January 2009 (EST)

"They" have "Dear Abbey" I have RationalWiki. tmtoulouse 01:35, 11 January 2009 (EST)
My advice is to show up at the wedding extremely, vomitously drunk and hit on all the bridesmaids simultaneously. To quote an old roommate while he was hitting on a bridesmaid: "But tonight can be our night." CorryHey, who wants to take me to the hospital? 01:39, 11 January 2009 (EST)
The other alternative I had was to bring her ex-best friend as my date....tmtoulouse 01:43, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Do you own a fat suit? They can be very handy in these situations. CorryHey, who wants to take me to the hospital? 01:53, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Some women are their own worst enemy when it comes to picking a mate and there's no arguing with them that will make them change their mind. However, if she's truly a friend you should support her and let her know that you will be able to offer counselling services in the future when she needs them. Unless, of course, he finds God in prison and beomes a reformed character. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 16:55, 11 January 2009 (EST)

So basically getting too involved in your friend's romantic life is likely to strain or end your friendship. If she seems determined to go through with marrying the guy, You can and probably should voice some concern but then not harp on it. If she seems to be wavering you might be a little more vocal about this concern (supporting her waver)but keep in mind the possible negative reaction. No one likes to hear their friends (or family) say unkind things about their significant other, especially if those thing are true. Abbey Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 10:28, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Old server[edit]

Trent, JeevesMkII has used a javascript thingie to steal my account on the old server. Please do something! Phantom Hoover 07:40, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Mwahaha! :D --JeevesMkII 07:42, 11 January 2009 (EST)
JEEVES, THIS IS TOO FAR. GIVE US OUR ACCOUNTS BACK NOW. Trent will not be pleased when he finds out about this. Phantom Hoover 07:44, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Er, if it is on the old server I wash my hands of anything, I suggest teaming up with someone that still has crat rights, turn off javascript on the browser, start a new account, get it promoted and undo what he has done. All is fair in love and war and vandalism. tmtoulouse 12:20, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Sorted now. Sorry for being overly melodramatic; I was panicking. Phantom Hoover 13:48, 11 January 2009 (EST)[edit]

I fear that something strange may have happened to RWW. When one enters one finds oneself back at RW which is a slightly unnerving experience. I know that you've been working night, day and weekends but I had to say something.--False Flag 13:28, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Conspiracy by the cabal. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:30, 11 January 2009 (EST)
No telling me is a good thing. I always want to hear when things are broken. tmtoulouse 13:38, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Beware, or ve at the cabal vill vave vo vo vomeving vabout vour vationalvikiviki. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:41, 11 January 2009 (EST)
There is no cabal. tmtoulouse 13:42, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Ve vat vhe vabal vave veen vaiting vor venturies vo veveal vour vexistance. Vafter ve verver vove, ve vave vained venough vocks vo vake vover veh vinternet. Viniateding vlan vour-vive-vine. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:47, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Vantastic. Vi vam vow va vember vof ve VationalViki Vabal. Vhat van Vi vo? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:57, 11 January 2009 (EST)
You know, cabal type stuff. tmtoulouse 13:59, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Vas in, accessing the hidden forum? Or vust valking vin vith vodd vaccent? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 14:02, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Back on topic, I can access the site using this url: -- Nx talk 14:03, 11 January 2009 (EST)

RWW seems to be back online now. (It was offline yesterday & redirecting to RW til about half an hour ago). WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 14:06, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Vhat vind vof vabal vowers vou I vave? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 14:08, 11 January 2009 (EST)
How do I know you are the cabal. 14:09, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Vou vall vot valledge vy vuthroity! --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 14:12, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Here, go through Special:Listusers and find other members of the Cabal. They can help you. tmtoulouse 14:13, 11 January 2009 (EST)
We also have a list of assumed cabal members on RWW. Back on topic - I take it that things are changing. Thanks for you work Mr tmtoulouse.--False Flag 14:20, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Vere vare vo vother vabal vembers. Vhere vis vy vabal? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 14:21, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Oh my! You lost your cabal? The Illuminati will not be pleased to hear this. And god prevent the Masons from ever finding out...tmtoulouse 14:24, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Ves. Ves Vi vid. Vhere vare veh vother vabal vembers vere? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 14:25, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Look, I just work here, okay, but if I were you I would check behind door number 2, just don't tell anyone I told you. tmtoulouse 14:29, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Vhat vis Voor Vumber Vwo? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 14:30, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Oh shit, I think I hear something, look I don't know you and you don't know me...good luck on finding your Cabal I gotta get back to work moping up the joint. *whistles* tmtoulouse 14:34, 11 January 2009 (EST)
What is door number 2! Tell me! --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 20:54, 11 January 2009 (EST)
You are now the deputy of the cabal. You're velcome. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 17:41, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Saloon bar[edit]

Trent, I created the Rationalwiki:Saloon bar with the hope that it will move some stuff away from WIGO:CP. If it takes off then perhaps it could be linked in the left-side navigation box. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 16:58, 11 January 2009 (EST)

No matter, Toast has already done it. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 18:45, 11 January 2009 (EST)


Due to Jeeves' recent trick on the old server, would it be possible to disable the editing of a user's monobook.js and .css files by anyone other than that user? That sort of thing is not an issue on other wikis, but here, where we give sysopship to everyone who isn't a troll or a vandal, someone could easily take over a bureucrat's account and cause immense havoc. Phantom Hoover 15:24, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Perhaps but I am not sure it is needed. There are two forms of solutions to the problem, once is, as you suggest the technological solution, which I am obviously a pretty big advocate of. But sometimes the community solution really is better and I think that is the case here. Any change to such a file would be immediately obvious to everyone on the wiki reading recent chances. Just like vandalism it is easily reverted. Our vandalism lasts mere seconds, and so would any change to a javascript file that we were not expecting. I think Jeeves trick makes clear to everyone the danger of javascript changes and they will be on the look out for such things. If it does happen it is easily fixable, short of getting the root access password to the site nothing can be done that can not be undone easily and after such an attack we can reevaluate our approach. I would like to wait till there is a problem before investing large sums of time in solutions. tmtoulouse 15:30, 12 January 2009 (EST)
What powers do the root password give you? Phantom Hoover 15:33, 12 January 2009 (EST)
Root password to the server is what I said. That gives you complete access to the computer and you can easily wipe clear everything. tmtoulouse 15:35, 12 January 2009 (EST)
Actually you said root password to the site. </pedantry> Phantom Hoover 15:38, 12 January 2009 (EST)
Blagh! I need sleep, the above sentence should have read "Root password to the serve is what I should have said." The last day and a half have not been working out as planned. tmtoulouse 15:40, 12 January 2009 (EST)
You made "plans"? ħumanUser talk:Human 19:10, 12 January 2009 (EST)
I'm not entirely sure why you think this is suddenly a big deal now, but hasn't been for the last two years of RW's history. This sort of thing has been possible for all of RW's history, and most of Wikipedia's too. All one needs is about a week's worth of learning javascript to it. The fact that it hasn't ever happened probably ought to tell you something. This sort of "September 11th" approach to security pisses me off royally. Now if we had some of the more destructive extensions installed like CP does, you might have a point but there's actually nothing destructive on RW that you can do as a bureaucrat that you can't do as a sysop, so it's all mostly moot. --JeevesMkII 19:20, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Naughty image files[edit]

Trent, any idea what's going on with Image:Trans H85.gif? It has a message:

Warning: This file may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.

It's used in two templates but the image no longer shows up in them. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 06:42, 13 January 2009 (EST)

(It's been fixed) ħumanUser talk:Human 22:44, 20 January 2009 (EST)


We need a way to delete individual edits, as evidenced by TheoryOfPractice's recent deletion of WIGO talk. I'm against using oversight, as it is too creepy, but possibly that thing that was used at RWW when Proxima complained. Phantom Hoover 15:56, 13 January 2009 (EST)

Hidden Forum[edit]

May I be part of the hidden forum? I'm excellent at subversion. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 22:05, 20 January 2009 (EST)

What hidden forum? And Rainman was an "excellent" driver... ħumanUser talk:Human 22:43, 20 January 2009 (EST)
There is no hidden forum. Oh, and human--I left something for you in the Hidden Forum...TheoryOfPractice 22:45, 20 January 2009 (EST)
CUR you seem to miss the point in the hidden forum in that no one new goes in after it was formed so there is no possibility of counter-infiltration by CP. - User 22:49, 20 January 2009 (EST)
I think I've proven that I'm not a CP spy. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:22, 21 January 2009 (EST)
How & when? WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:34, 21 January 2009 (EST)
The same way you proved you aren't a CP spy. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:36, 21 January 2009 (EST)
I did? That's news to me. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:38, 21 January 2009 (EST)

(unident) No CP spy would be that snarky. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:39, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Can I join the hidden forum too? I was NeilEG of Blackadder and Hull Uni fame (who was intended to be a parodist until Ed Poor and Rodweathers got me. The irony of being blocked by a parodist!) Credentials established. Ticket pl0x.EddyP 13:41, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Maybe limited access? And I've got an idea to take down ASchlafly. Get lots of parodists on. Get a user promoted to admin'. Demote and permaban teh fly and everybody else. Turn in into a RW outpost. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:43, 21 January 2009 (EST)
:O! Clearly we have been missing out on your genius! Who would have thought of getting promoted? And to admin too! But it's too late. You've told us your brilliant scheme, so it can be done without you. Insubordination crushed. i b member nao? EddyP 13:47, 21 January 2009 (EST)
But no one here has proven that they aren't CP spies. It's all just a matter of probability. For all we know, Trent, Human, AKjeldsen, PalMD or anyone else could be really, really sad and determined CP spies. Phantom Hoover 15:16, 21 January 2009 (EST)

It's more complicated than just getting promoted. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 13:49, 21 January 2009 (EST)

I can understand the desire to BRAG about whatever silliness you're adding, but the maximum number of people who can keep a secret is ONE. And anyway, the "Hidden Forum" is probably just something they made up to drive the CP Star Chamber into another frenzy of paranoia. Fnord. --Gulik 14:58, 21 January 2009 (EST)
CUR, even if you decratted and permabanned Andy, they would still be able to sort it out by messing with the database. Phantom Hoover 15:16, 21 January 2009 (EST)

There is no cabal. tmtoulouse 15:07, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Let us in and prove it! EddyP 15:17, 21 January 2009 (EST)
I don't want to be let in a prove it, I want to be let into the cabal! Phantom Hoover 15:21, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Indeed. The Hidden Forum sounds a wonderful place, with rainbows, and humour, and nefarious plots. I want to see ;_; EddyP 15:32, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Now steady on. If anybody gets let into the secret hidden imaginary forum it should be me! I'm smarter and prettier than all of ya, and I have special weasel powers. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 15:39, 21 January 2009 (EST)
I'm a soon-to-be Cambridge undergraduate (hopefully)! (/boast) EddyP 15:42, 21 January 2009 (EST)
I have hoover powers, and I will suck the data from your wiki if I am not allowed into the hidden forum. Phantom Hoover 15:44, 21 January 2009 (EST)
There's no need to talk dirty. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 15:50, 21 January 2009 (EST)
The talk link in your sig adds a huge amount of irony to that statement. Phantom Hoover 15:53, 21 January 2009 (EST)
That could have been any of several things - they're all quotes of things that have been said to or about me. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 16:18, 21 January 2009 (EST)
When I read it, it was "is watching you maturbate". Phantom Hoover 16:20, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Just taken that one out. It got kinda old. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 16:49, 21 January 2009 (EST)

WIGO stuff up, again[edit]

Hi Trent, someone numbered a wigo 12201 instead of 1221 and some people likewise added 12202, 12203 to 12206 I have fixed them but the votes are all wrong. Can you do your magic trick and make them all better? - User 22:46, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Depends on whether I remembered to put a date stamp on WIGO voting. I will check. tmtoulouse 15:08, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Tech support issue[edit]

TMT, I'm having an issue connecting to RW from home. At first I thought it might be a delay in DNS propagation, but I've noticed that I can access the site as long as I'm not logged in as Stile4aly. As soon as I try to login I get a message telling me that the connection has been interrupted. Same's true on my wife's laptop. Any thoughts? Stile4aly 10:23, 21 January 2009 (EST)

So you can not log in at all? Is this only on your home connection? tmtoulouse 15:08, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Correct, I cannot login at all from my home connection. I can browse the site when I am not logged in, and I can login fine from work (as I am now) but when I attempt to login on my home network I get the "Connection has been interrupted" message. This happens regardless of the browser I'm using. Stile4aly 17:12, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Can you login to other mediawiki sites like CP or WP? 17:16, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Yup, it's just RW giving me fits. CP and WP work fine. (Oh noes, TK, I has a sock!). Stile4aly 18:31, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Sorry to bug you about this, but I'm still shanked at home. Any thoughts? Last night I deleted my cookie and was able to at least view the site, but again when I tried to login it gave me the "Connection Interrupted" message. Stile4aly 10:45, 23 January 2009 (EST)
Is it like this with all browsers? Are you on Mac? Linux? Windows? tmtoulouse 03:37, 24 January 2009 (EST)
Sorry for the delay in responding. Turns out I've blocked my home IP to force login, and of course I can't login. I'm on a Vista PC. I've tried Firefox, IE, Opera, and Maxathon for browsing options and I have the same issue with all of them. It's only been going on since the site went down and came back up. Stile4aly 11:57, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Secret parser hooks[edit]

What do the Blink 4 JellyFish and CP Article Feature parser hooks do? Phantom Hoover 15:58, 21 January 2009 (EST)

<blink>I forgot what CP article feature does? I think it is the AOTW?</blink>. 16:01, 21 January 2009 (EST)
And Blink 4 JellyFish? I note that there are <blink> tags around your comment, but they don't seem to do anything. Phantom Hoover 16:06, 21 January 2009 (EST)
"Blink" was added at Jellyfish's request, presumably. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:23, 21 January 2009 (EST)
But what does it do? Phantom Hoover 16:46, 21 January 2009 (EST)
It makes text blink -- Captain Obvioustalk
EC In Firefox (A The superior browser) it makes the text it surrounds blink. Toast s.png (Toast) and marmalade 16:54, 21 January 2009 (EST)
But why not on Safari? Down with those who discriminate against Mac users! Phantom Hoover 17:00, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Firefox works on Macs........ Pinto's5150 Talk 17:17, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Yeah, but I prefer Safari. Phantom Hoover 17:32, 21 January 2009 (EST)
As soon as Safari gets to grips with CSS2.1, you'll have "blink". Until then, carry on with your outdated (but fast!) browser. Toast s.png (Toast) and marmalade 17:38, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Vote extension problem[edit]

I came across an interesting problem with the vote extension. Look at these two WIGOs

55Ed movesimg the Obama article to Barack Hussein Obama. How long until he moves the other presidents like George Walker Bush or William Jefferson Clinton Oh, wait, almost forgot that those guys don't have Evil Muslim Middle Names CP needs to emphasize. Special treatment for Obama as usual. Bonus Lulz The move causes CP's Redirect Fixing Bot to go wild and vandalizeimg the Main Page.
55Ed movesimg the Obama article to Barack Hussein Obama. How long until he moves the other presidents like George Walker Bush or William Jefferson Clinton Oh, wait, almost forgot that those guys don't have Evil Muslim Middle Names CP needs to emphasize. treatment for Obama as usual. Bonus Lulz The move causes CP's Redirect Fixing Bot to go wild and vandalizeimg the Main Page.

The difference is in the second one I removed the word "special" and it put the img tag on. I assume that this is a problem with overloading a variable or something. - User 06:15, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Meh this is a problem dealing with the filtration I was using when I was gave a damn about the size/number of images we were uploading. Now with the the extra 250gb of space I no longer care. I will probably update the capture bot to no filter special pages which should solve this glitch. tmtoulouse 03:41, 24 January 2009 (EST)


Is there any way to restore edits hidden with the "apply restrictions to sysops as well as others" option checked? Phantom Hoover 16:21, 22 January 2009 (EST)

There is always a way to do is only a matter of how much energy it takes. I will look into the various options on that. tmtoulouse 03:38, 24 January 2009 (EST)
There is one way I know of: delete the entire revision history, then resurrect the revision in question along with the rest of the history (I've played around with it at the other place, so I'm familiar with it). Unfortunately, it defeats the entire purpose of using deleterevision to avoid deleting the entire page history. But I'm sure that you can whip up a work-around with your software skills (not to put any undue pressure on you! : ) ). Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 03:53, 24 January 2009 (EST)

Usernames & pages containing MediaWiki code[edit]

Somebody (Fall down?) just created an account with the name "User:Weaseloid&action=delete‎", then created a (blank) user page of the same name. This meant that if you clicked on their username it went straight to "" - the command for deleting my user page. When I tried to block the user, it defaulted to the page for blocking me instead.

I've sorted it out now (blocked the account & deleted the page) but is there a way to stop this happening again? Conservapedia have a username blacklist. Could we use the same thing to stop creation of usernames containing "&action=" commands? Also is there anything similar we could do to stop the creation of pages containing these kind of code strings? Any content put on such pages isn't easily visible; their only function is to divert to a special page for deleting or similar.

Thanks. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 11:09, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Weasel- on the 25, FD was active on RWW at about 5:00. Don't know if he later switched over- but I wouldn't put it past him. Though I think this is about 5 levels ahead of his computer skills. We may be dealing with TK. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 11:28, 25 January 2009 (EST)
It was me; just a proof of concept. Feel free to disable it now. Phantom Hoover 11:29, 25 January 2009 (EST)
For the record, I had tested it and knew it would just take you to the confirmation screen. Phantom Hoover 11:32, 25 January 2009 (EST)
What an evil ghostly vaccuum cleaner! --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 11:34, 25 January 2009 (EST)
Yes, maybe, but I had tested the URLs of the deletion page and knew that it was impossible to confirm a deletion with URL tricks alone. Phantom Hoover 11:37, 25 January 2009 (EST)
OK, so why not test it on your own username stead of mine? Anyhoo, even if it doesn't all-the-way delete a page, it's still fairly pesky, & by testing it we might've alerted one or two vandals to its potential. If it's not against site policy or something, I think we should create a blacklist to prevent stuff like this being done, but maybe we should wait for tmt to comment first, as it involves a new MediaWiki page etc. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 11:43, 25 January 2009 (EST)
I already knew it would work; I had already made an account with the username "Human&action=edit", but I wanted to gauge people's reactions, and deletion seemed the best action to draw attention to it; the reason it was your userpage was that you were active at the time. Phantom Hoover 11:48, 25 January 2009 (EST)


I've noticed this multiple times- when ever I copy and paste something from somewhere else (my poem, for example), it changes to where it's all run together- the lines aren't seperated. Any ideas? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorRusty-spotted catspeed! 11:43, 25 January 2009 (EST)

If you separate lines by pressing enter once (like in a poem on Word etc.), MediaWiki won't recognise it. You need to press it twice (so there is a gap between) to separate paragraphs, or else use <br> at the end of each line, which creates a line break. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 11:47, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Re: Your very important email[edit]

The answer would be "Jeeves". --JeevesMkII 00:58, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Go ahead and create it and I will set it up. 00:59, 29 January 2009 (EST)
So many damn secretive seekrits!!!! Unchoiring people want to know the TRUTH about these shenanigans! ħumanUser talk:Human 01:03, 29 January 2009 (EST)
Something to do with brooms from what I recall....that's you then right Jeeves? tmtoulouse 01:12, 29 January 2009 (EST)
'tis done, oh grand dragon. --JeevesMkII 01:12, 29 January 2009 (EST)
And snap, take that TK! :). tmtoulouse 01:14, 29 January 2009 (EST)
Damn, foiled again! Querces on you all! ħumanUser talk:Human 01:30, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Tech support 2 - Electric Boogaloo[edit]

Hate to be a pest, but my home connection to RW still doesn't allow me to login. All the relevant info should be in the above thread. Any additional insights? Stile4aly 15:04, 29 January 2009 (EST)

This is a tough one because I can't replicate it, and no one else is experiencing the problem that I am aware of....I assume you have cleared your cache and all that right? Tried reinstalling your browser? Do you have a labtop or an alternative computer you could try using with your home network? That would help us figure out if it is software/settings on your machine or something in your router/modem/isp? tmtoulouse 17:58, 29 January 2009 (EST)
Yup, done all the cache clearing. Haven't reinstalled my browser, but I'll give that a shot tonight. Both my PC and m wife's laptop have the issue, so I'm thinking it's a network issue. Unfortunately I don't know anyone else who uses the ISP offhand, so I wouldn't know how to confirm. Stile4aly 19:10, 29 January 2009 (EST)
I think TK's rangeblocks went so far as to block your IP from editing RW. I know that's a dumb joke, but still... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:06, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I can't contribute anything other than to say I had this problem too for about 4 or 5 hours at uni today. I can get in now so... - User 02:21, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I had a problem about 8 hours ago, first I got this on Recent changes:
Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/rational/public_html/wiki/includes/SkinTemplate.php on line 387
Then when I tried, it redirected me to the mainpage, but it was blank. At the same time, I had no problems with RWW. This wasn't the first time I couldn't access RW but could access RWW, it happened a few times already, strangely enough at about the same time of day, but it's the first time I got the error message, previously it just timed out and I got the browser's can't find page error message. -- Nx talk 04:12, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I see I wasn't the only one experiencing that problem. -- Nx talk 04:20, 30 January 2009 (EST)
So I reinstalled my browser last night but still no luck. I decided to try a proxy to see if it was something with my ISP (which I suspected since neither my PC nor my wife's could connect). Using the proxy I was able to sign in, and I think it would have allowed me to edit but it was a crappy proxy and kept giving me errors. So looks like a call to my ISP is warranted. Stile4aly 10:36, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Keep me posted about this. The only thing I can think of is that it might have something to do with our authentication certificate. As per the access problems last night, I am aware of the general cause and am working on it. If there is ever a problem accessing the site feel free to e-mail me. tmtoulouse 15:42, 30 January 2009 (EST)


Suggestion: if, instead of editing the page directly, WIGO entries were made on a form then a) the vote= etc and the numbering could be automated and b) any cp links could be picked out for immediate imaging? (caveat: I don't know a whole lot about php & databases etc - is this obvious?) Toast s.png (Toast) and marmalade 18:12, 30 January 2009 (EST)

That's a very good idea, but we would still have to be able to wiki-edit the result (for updates, spelling, grammar, etc.). Oops, also if someone adds an update, we'll need a way to wake up capture bot... Did I mention somewhere that it would be cool if capturebot ran automatically every time WIGO CP was re-saved? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:06, 30 January 2009 (EST)
True, but I trust in Trent's genius (and unlimited free time!) to be able to sort it. :) Toast s.png (Toast) and marmalade 20:10, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I've written a script (you can find it here, it's called AutoWIGO) that creates a toolbar button with the poll number calculated automatically. I can also implement the form idea, but that will require some time. -- Nx talk 15:36, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Thank you[edit]

Hi! I couldn't reach rationalwiki for a couple of hours and that reminded me how often I look at this site. So, I just wanted to thank you for this gift to sanity... larronsicut fur in nocte 12:52, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Hi! :-)[edit]

Just a random hi! :-) (bet you thought this was going to be another technical problem or complaint, huh?) :p Refugeetalk page 20:31, 18 February 2009 (EST) .


Hi Trent, have you worked out what is wrong with the API so I can run capturebot without having to manually edit the page? Thanks. - User 04:04, 19 February 2009 (EST)

There is something wrong with the API? larronsicut fur in nocte 04:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)
Yes, it seems to hate Pi. : ) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:45, 19 February 2009 (EST)
not just api, but antipi? (Ouch, that hurts) larronsicut fur in nocte 04:49, 19 February 2009 (EST)
We kan haz site coded by irrationals. Or better yet, imaginaries. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:47, 19 February 2009 (EST)
I have thought about it some, will contact you with some ideas soon. tmtoulouse 14:17, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Vandal bin[edit]

Hi Trent, something seems to be wrong with the vandal bin, that horrible little shit Fall down is moving pages around. Can you see if that permission is disabled for vandals or if the bin is suffering because of the server move? - User 21:33, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Isn't this a question for Technical support? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 21:34, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
But this is a problem only Trent can deal with. Tech support is more "I am a complete wiki n00b help", to which the answer is: "your "O" key is one row below and half a key to the left of your "0" use it". - User 21:45, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
Actually, no. Trent asked that all technical support support type questions go there. Click RA's link to see the sorts of things that are appropriate.--Bobbing up 04:02, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
It's ok that your phone dies. Please to address issues ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 00:12, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

I think there's a problem with the time checking code in Editpage.php, at least that's the only thing I can think of. I'm going to try something similar to what I used in the new version. --  Nx/talk  04:03, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

That did the trick, the anon edit rate limit has been restored, I'll fix the rest now. All the code I added is surrounded by empty lines and the comments "added by Nx". --  Nx/talk  04:10, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
And I also added the vandal check to Special:Movepage, so that even if they're autoconfirmed, vandals can't move at all. --  Nx/talk  05:06, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
You are awesome Nx. - User 05:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
More good work from Nx!--Bobbing up 06:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Pi's page[edit]

Did I just irreversibly delete Pi's page and talk page? --  Nx/talk  02:58, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks Trent. - User 03:02, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
No problem, I am attempting to figure out why vandals can move pages and seal it up. tmtoulouse 03:03, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
I'm relieved I didn't, thanks --  Nx/talk  03:04, 18 March 2009 (EDT)