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::::And you could have just kept your fucking mouth shut, No? and you were so fucking polite about it, too. I'm not back 5 minutes and I'm already being reminded why I left. Because sandy-vagina'ed old cunts like you can't pick up on sarcasm. And MB, I like you, but don't fuck around with me. [[User:Occasionaluse|Occasionaluse]] ([[User talk:Occasionaluse|talk]]) 15:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Just saving Conservapædians from the fires of Hell

Gentlemen,

My attention has been drawn to your article on Natural Science. In one sectionimg, you cite an example of how predictions about a scientific theory can bolster that theory if those predictions prove true. Your example concerns EVIDENCE FOR THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION:

...it is common for theories to be tested on their adherence to the available evidence; for example, the discovery of Tiktaalik in the predicted strata for a transitional form between tetrapods and fish.

The astronomy bit just below it looks suspiciously heretical as well. Please remove the offending material lest some impressionable young mind mistakes your blog for an encyclopædia. — Unsigned, by: Brendiggg / talk / contribs

Who wants to bet (Andy's "counterexamples to relativity" heats up)

...that the only reason Andy is so hung up on the notion of a "conservative field" on this talk page is because he's convinced a "conservative field" is somehow related to conservative politics. DickTurpis (talk) 20:15, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be true. Here's the chronology. Can't be bothered to do screencaps.
  • 23:43, 19 Jan 2009: SamHB (that was me, by the way) adds a note to "conservative vector field" pointing out that it is not related to political conservatism. This was done as a defense against anything Andy might say in the future along those lines.
  • 13:21, 4 July 2010: Sure enough, Andy adds "conservative vector field" as a "conservative word". Though he doesn't say that the existence of the word "conservative" is the reason for this, he gives no other reason. (Unlike his compelling reason for including the word "transistor", for example.)
  • 14:15, the same day: Andy, being all enthused over his new-found erudition about vector fields with curls of zero, realizes that this disproves relativity, and says so on the "counterexamples to relativity" page.
You see, it's easy to follow Andy's logic, once you get used to it! Gauss (talk) 21:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
You're SamHB? EddyP (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes. And 14 other people. See my user page. Gauss (talk) 22:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Great user page. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Who wants to bet that liberace was gay. --Opcn (talk) 20:24, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
If only the principle of Conservation of Energy was known as Energy Conservatism. Schlafly-esque thermodynamics would be fucking fun. ONE / TALK 20:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Suckers bet. Using his reasoning (and I use that word very loosely) a magnetic field should be suspicious since in most cases it's not a conservative field (only where the current density is zero). I've only seen these kind of irrational arguments against relativity in one other place (a shiny internet to any parodist who convinces Andy to describe relativity as "Jewish Liberal Physics"). I also loved when he said "please do not imply that people should just accept what someone of undisclosed political views claims"img. --Night Jaguar (talk) 20:52, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

This stuff is really delicious! KyleT is doing an absolutely first-rate job of pwning Andy, and Andy is doing an absolutely first-rate job of saying stupid things, and digging himself in deeper and deeper. I'd go back there and help, but Kyle doesn't need anyone's help.

I'm going to upgrade the "Conservapedian Relativity" pages when I get the chance--the material has gotten a lot better since those pages were written. Gauss (talk) 22:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Please do. Andy is the gift that keeps on giving. And, Gauss, promise me that if you ever discover a new field of force or anything that you will call it "Gay Marriage Field", just so Andy can spend his time trying to prove it wrong based solely on the name. DickTurpis (talk) 23:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Am I reading thisimg correctly? Is Andy taking the "Hm, the definition doesn't prove my point, so the definition is wrong!" approach? I'm no physics specialist, so I dunno the technicalities here, but Andy coming up with physics definitions raises several red flags here. --Sid (talk) 00:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I think that's about right -- and when I see Andy talking about a "conservative theory of motion" all I can think of is intelligent falling. --MarkGall (talk) 00:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
LMAO! "conservative theory of motion"img :D :D :D . It's really hard to capture how silly this "conservative field" objection is. It's like objecting to 'stellar evolution' because of Social Darwinism.
@ Gauss, yes the article needs updating. It doesn't even mention how the speed of the Jesus' healing powers disproves relativity! --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
And with this edit (immediately WiGOed, I see) Andy goes off the deep end. This man really thinks all scientific principles are either liberal or conservative, and the liberal ones are suspect, at best. Until anything scientific as been deemed acceptably conservative by a True Conservative, it is not to be accepted, regardless of the evidence. What planet is this guy living on? We need to make a list of Conservative and Liberal scientific discoveries. Who wants to start? DickTurpis (talk) 02:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, electromagnetism is liberal since, as I mentioned before, magnetic fields generally aren't conservative vector fields. In addition to relativity, the Big Bang theory, evolution and global warming are also probably liberal. Andy seems to be claiming Newtonian mechanics for conservatives. And...owwww....thinking like Andy actually hurts my brain. --Night Jaguar (talk) 03:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Andy has really gotten himself into a pickle here, thanks to Kyle. This "conservative theory of motion" stuff is truly amazing. And now he's complaining the Simeon (that was also me) left the discussion! Usually Andy doesn't like "talk talk talk". The reason Simeon left was that Andy's claim to the effect that "It's very telling that when I Google this combination of unrelated words I get very little" was the stupidest thing I had ever seen. Up until that time. That was yesterday. Kyle has continued the fight, and now Andy is being even more outlandish. This guy studied scientific matters at Princeton, no? Including the rudiments of what vectors are, and Newton's laws of motion, and all that? I mean, at least freshman physics?

In Andy's defense, I don't think he is directly talking about the political leanings of vector fields or laws of motion when he uses the word "conservative". I think he actually believes that, by some bizarre stretch of the imagination, he is talking about physics, and that this is related to the (very legitimate) concept of a conservative vector field, that is, a field with a curl of zero. And he will do anything to convince people that relativity violates that "principle", whatever he construes that "principle" to be. Of course, the fact that vector fields with curls of zero contain a word that Andy likes is part of his motivation, but what he's really trying to establish is that Einsteinian relativity is bogus.

All this crap about path invariance is bullshit. He is just throwing concepts around. Concepts that he just doesn't understand at all.

By the way, I just Googled "vector+spinach". 1.5 million hits. Who woulda thunk it?

And Kyle does not appear to have email enabled.

Gauss (talk) 03:26, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Andy is after all an electronics engineer or something so he should know all about that sort of thing. He has degree and all. Hamster (talk) 03:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I loved the "Simeon has abruptly left this conversation" line. It would be hilarious if some moron had blocked him in the meantime, but I know it refers to the "I give up", which Andy takes as VICTORY! OLE OLE OLE! ħumanUser talk:Human 04:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy is an electrical engineer, with a minor in Engineering Physics, so he does have some physics knowledge. However, I wish that he would justify his claims a little more. As I wish Gauss would return to the discussion - it's starting to get interesting. Quantumcat (talk) 05:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
This reminds me of really old SciFi TV shows I used to watch where one man knew that the earth had been infiltrated by aliens, and each week he'd get close to exposing them, but then all the evidence, bodies, etc would be disapeared by the conspiracy at the last moment. 'Simeon' didn't "give up", isnt it obvious that the Liberals got to him and posted that last message on his behalf? My advice, keep wearing the tin-foil hat Ashlafly, If that really is still you.
You've gotta love little PhyllisS weighing in against her dad.  Lily Inspirate me. 07:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
10,000 internets to little Phyllis. Indeed. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Another 5,000 internets for those who can spot her error when defending Daddy's GPS-does-not-need-relativityimg nonsense! larronsicut fur in nocte 08:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I claim it! She said "seem to", after Daddy had berated Franky-boy for a very similar phrase! (PS. round my parts (oo-er!) a PC is refered to as "an internet", ergo you owe me 5000 computers. I'll take 3000 laptops, 1500 netbooks, and 500 desktops please.) DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 09:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Several pallets of old 486es running Windows 3.1 with Netscape 2 are on their way to you as we speak - David Gerard (talk) 09:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
She's even talking about black holes. Does that mean she's stopped reading the bible, which everyone knows is the effect that black holes were invented to cause? Cantabrigian (talk) 08:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Her 'defence' is a non-defence really. it actually supports the contrary position. Her source doesn't say adjustment for relativity isn't needed for GPS, it says adjustment for relativity is not needed for acceptable accuracy in GPS - but it does have an effect. And when you go and actually read it, it goes on to say (after the part that was selectively quoted) a new class of users, who employ satellites that obtain time and position in space from GPS, cannot be satisfied with the approximations in the current OCS and we show how large or small the differences are, and how and for what applications those difference are large enough to make it necessary to correct the formulas of classical physics . So, err...fail. Worm(t | c) 10:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I just like how she calls her father "Aschlafly". DickTurpis (talk) 16:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but Lil' Phyl seems to be a closet liberal. Witness her essay Darwin's The Origin of Species: Supplanting William Paley's Notion of Creatorimg, where she discusses what Darwin meant when used the term Creator. Her essay could (and probably should) be a RW article in its own right, but she discusses if he meant natural selection alone, or a supernatural entity? She comes down solidly for the former. On Darwin's
As natural selection acts by competition, it adapts and improves the inhabitants of each country only in relation to their co-inhabitants; so that we need feel no surprise at the species of any one country, being beaten and supplanted by the naturalized productions from another land. Nor ought we to marvel if all the contrivances in nature be not, as far as we can judge, absolutely perfect ... Authors of the highest eminence seem to be fully satisfied with the view that each species has been independently created. To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual.
—(Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1st Edition, 395-396)

she answers with

But there is a deeper feeling hidden in this passage; Darwin seems to be teetering on the verge of mocking intelligent-design followers. He implies that those who do not accept natural selection reject that “the secondary causes ... determining the birth and death of the individual” influence “the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world.”
Does her Daddy know what the athiest indocurnation at Princeton has done to her? On the Essay's talk pageimg, TK and Ed Poor seem to think that the easy is supporting, not rejecting ID. CS Miller (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I *knew* I should have searched first. According to an earlier WIGO, it was copied from three other sites. CS Miller (talk) 18:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone point out to me why her essay seems to be copied? I read her essay, and also looked at the three other sites, and they didn't seem similar to the essay except for the fact that they were all about Darwin. Could you maybe clear this up for me? Quantumcat (talk) 02:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Looks to me like a case of the WIGO writer making crap up and nobody else actually checking it -- the essay looks completely different to me. I see it got more down votes than other stories from around then, maybe those voters noticed. --MarkGall (talk) 04:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Debate

So, chemistry: liberal science, or conservative science? Let the mob decide! DickTurpis (talk) 05:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Alcohols and fatty acids, liberal. Stern chains of starchy compounds, conservative. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I tried to find the answer on CP's article on chemistry, but it's pathetically short. Anyway, any field which has a principle named Beer's law is probably liberal (and let's not even mention Gay-Lussac's law). --Night Jaguar (talk) 05:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Andy's Likely Scientific Education

Like Andy, I have a Bachelor's Degree in Electrical Engineering (EE). While we went to different schools (he to Princeton, me to the University of Tennessee -- Knoxvile) and he graduated about five years before me, here's the courses I took that would be relevant to this topic. I doubt our courses of study were that different, considering the accreditation process for our respective schools would have required them to teach similar courses.

  • A year of freshman chemistry
  • Statics and dynamics (essentially, Newton's laws, in bodies at rest and in motion. There are the most basic engineering courses.)
  • Introductory thermodynamics, plus a year of thermodynamics for non-mechanical engineers (I hated thermodynamics passionately, as do most EE majors, but that's besides the point. Most of us called it "thermo-damn-namics".)
  • A year of sophomore physic. My courses covered introductory electromagnetic field theory, optics, and "modern" physics, which took us up to about Einstein. (The freshman physics is stuff we covered in our freshmen engineering courses.)
  • Two years of calculus, plus more very math oriented courses focused on engineering applications
  • Some introductory courses that basically boil down to "how transistors work at the atomic level"
  • A year of basic circuit analysis (no transistors)
  • A year of electronic circuit analysis (transistors)
  • A year of electromagnetic field theory
  • Most everything beyond that was either
    • Courses every undergrad takes, like Freshman English
    • Non-technical electives, or
    • Courses focused on which specific branch of electrical engineering you chose to focus on. Since Andy's first job out of college was in digital microchip design, I'm guessing he focused on computer design, like me. Those courses are beyond the scope of this discussion, though. That's really getting into applied science, not theoretical science.

So, Andy was almost certainly exposed to plenty of physics. MDB (talk) 10:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

"Knoxvile" - was it really that bad?  Lily Inspirate me. 11:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
It has its pluses -- I wouldn't trade the scenery of the nearby Great Smoky Mountains for anything in the world. Being a college town, it has at least something of a cultural "scene". (Including a very good art-house cinema movie theater. I've seen more art films when I visit Knoxpatch than I have in the DC area. The fact the Regal Theaters chain is headquartered in the area helps with that.)
But the political, social, and religious culture is not one for a gay, geeky, politically liberal to leftist, free thinking Christian. And God help you if you actually admit to not caring about the fucking college football team. (I like to say UT-Knoxville is a football team that happens to have a college attached.)
Incidentally, not only did I go to college there, I grew up there. So, the fact I've got family there helps, too. MDB (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
As noted in engineers and woo, engineers are some of the most arrogant knowledgeable people on Earth, to the point where science itself may happily be questioned. As long as the engineer knows stuff that works, everything else is just raw material for the distinct task of engineering. (I remember one of my first engineering lectures where they pointed out something like "if the plays of Shakespeare were a reliable guide to building bridges, you'd be studying them as part of this course.") Even engineer cranks don't usually take it as far as Andy does in questioning complex numbers, but engineers can get away with all manner of gibbering delusion as long as they stuff they design still works - David Gerard (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy questioning complex numbers stuns me. At least half of the year of introductory circuit analysis he presumably took is constant complex numbers. If it weren't for complex numbers, you'd have to analyze circuits with nasty differential equations (which, now that I remember my diff-eq's, would probably require complex numbers to solve anyway!) And that's just sophomore level coursework. There's plenty more complex math in junior level courses. (Not that much at the senior level, at least if you specialize in digital design. It's all ones and zeroes at that point.) MDB (talk) 11:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone pointed out to Andy that you can construct the complex numbers by just taking an ordered pair of real numbers and defining a special multiplication/addition? Ordered pair, real numbers, addition, multiplication and subtraction. All it takes. I'd love to hear his counterargument. --Night Jaguar (talk) 13:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
This has been pointed out repeatedly -- off the top of my head PatrickD does it at the end of cp:Talk:Elementary proof. Unfortunately in that instance I jumped in with another comment before Andy had time to reply, and he just accused both of us a high talk-to-substance ratio. cp:Complex number was totally rewritten by PatrickD from a reality-based perspective, but Andy appears not to have noticed this liberal vandalism. --MarkGall (talk) 15:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd never checked their article before, but it does more or less describe the formal construction of the complex numbers. It even lists the many fields (ho ho!) in which they are useful - there doesn't seem to any criticism or even mention of their well-known Liberal bias. The powers that be should be alerted to this heresy! Cantabrigian (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I just had a thought: it's possible Andy would acknowledge that complex numbers are useful as a form of mathematical shorthand for doing things like circuit analysis, but insist that they don't really "exist" in the sense that, to him, there is no such thing as the square root of negative one. That's still a stupid viewpoint to take, but it would at least explain why someone with a degree in Electrical Engineering apparently does not "believe" in complex numbers.
That, of course, completely ignores the fact he apparently thanks "liberalism" is behind complex numbers. I can't imagine a field of study less involved in the liberal/conservative spectrum than mathematics. MDB (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
You're clearly overthinking this, but your hypothesis is plausible: he's probably filed it in his brain as "a useful fiction that gets the job done is quite different from reality" - David Gerard (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, it's even simpler than that. Andy firmly believes the Orwellian quote about "everything is political' and applies that rigidly to his life. He also doesn't have the imagination to see there might be grey areas. Thus everything is either conservative and good, or liberal and must be derided. What makes it even more fun, is that Andy applies this maxim with no other basis than his own biases. --PsyGremlinParlez! 14:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if part of it was also that he simply got a bad mark in a complex analysis course. --Night Jaguar (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I actually am waiting for Andy's brother Roger to jump in. Last time I saw Roger on the Theory of relativity article him and Andy were going at it and if it was anyone else Andy would have banned them already. Quazywabbit (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

First, let me say that I just Googled "general relativity"+"meatloaf". 241 hits. Very suspicious. Why are atheists saying so little about this?

Now, about complex numbers—after months of people being reverted, bullied, and blocked by Andy and his minions (especially Foxtrot) over Andy's belief that the ambiguity in the square root of -1 makes complex numbers bogus, PatrickD (that was also me) wrote an absolutely airtight presentation, which is the current cp:Complex number page. Exactly along the lines that Night Jaguar described above. (That page is also at Wikiversity.) And there hasn't been a peep out of Andy or anyone else, on the bogosity of complex numbers, ever since.

On Kyle and relativity—Kyle is really beating Andy to a bloody pulp. I haven't seen Andy so reduced to gibberish since KSorenson was around! And Andy still hasn't 90/10'd him or asked him why he isn't reading the Bible more. It's in its second day.

Gauss (talk) 16:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Liberals are saying so little about it in order to preserve their hegemony on the subject, which they only maintain through silence and deflection, obviously. Oh and there are 475 hits for "rimming" and "general relativity". Just saying. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 16:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I think Andy might be playing semi fair because he knows his daughter is there and will probably call him out on not wearing a seatbelt. --Opcn (talk) 18:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Lack of ability to consider hypothetical situations

This kind of bleeds over from the issues I've been having over on aSK, but that Andy would deny complex numbers as existent kind of suggests to me a further data point in the ideas going on here... these people absolutely refuse to consider hypothetical situations. Entertaining a novel idea as a hypothetical situation is absolutely and immediately impossible for them. They're bound so tightly and grasping so firmly to their reality, that considering anything that would change it, is immediately discarded as idiocy, or lies. I remember getting in trouble with Andy about something for something where like, it was "what if God commanded you to kill babies", and they come back with "But he didn't!" and it's like, "no!!! HYPOTHETICALLY YOU DIPSHIT!" ... it explains why they fail to falsify and expand their understanding of the world... Perhaps this is a trait of all conservatives? --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 11:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Developmental stage thing. See also wp:Splitting (psychology), where only seeing everyone and everything as either good or evil is a sign of lack of personality development - David Gerard (talk) 11:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Or, for more detail, from an introductory text on educational psychology. Neither AS nor PJR are unintelligent, but it's clear they feel a moral obligation to cripple their own thinking skills for the sake of their religion, and haven't realised how deeply this needs to go to maintain integration of their personality. I'm not sure what the psychological term for deliberately crippling your own thinking skills is - David Gerard (talk) 12:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Willful ignorance? I definitely will grant you this one, however I think they also have an inability to actually consider hypothetical situations. They basically reject everything that isn't "real" according to their existing world views, meaning they reject hypothetical situations. PJR talked about "I can imagine flying to the moon", but dismissed it as pure nonsense, and didn't recognize that this would falsify the theory of gravity. To him, if it can't be done in reality, then it doesn't matter. This also perhaps explains their rejection of evolution through the tired meme of "you didn't see it; no one was there." But then, I'm operating under the adage, "never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity". Doesn't that have a name? It should have a name. Someone find a name, and make an article on here for it. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 19:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
That's exactly why so many people fail to grasp the anthropic principle: "Okay, let's hypothesize what our perspective on the universe would be if it didn't arise by special creation." "But it did! QED!" Kalliumtalk 08:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Andy's Right About One Thing

See cp:Public schools — Unsigned, by: School Sucks / talk / contribs

Public schools exist?--Opcn (talk) 17:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Deny that and lose all credibility. MDB (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Face it, without public schools which are actually private schools in the UK, go figure) most of Britain's male aristocracy would know nothing about the joys of teh butt seks. --PsyGremlinHable! 10:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Conservative Words redux

VERY impressive!img. Very nice charts too. How do you think he will react? — Unsigned, by: Ricalt1821 / talk / contribs

How will they react? Red alert. evasive pattern delta. Mr. TeeKay, charge the banhammer! --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't believe Andy was stupid enough to submit to experimentation. One of the core tenets of any strong religion is that you never ever ever ever ever test it. --Opcn (talk) 20:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
There is a difference between an established religion and a cult: the pope - or the Dalai Lahma - doesn't handle snakes himself any longer, while a cult-leader has to... I even would go so far that the pope lacks the conviction to handle snakes, and therefore happily relies on his snake-handling bureaucracy, providing him with plausible deniability in the case of snake-bites.
larronsicut fur in nocte 21:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy dishes out a crushing rebuttalimg... RonLar forgot about the oil wells! --MarkGall (talk) 01:39, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
WTF does that even mean? Am I missing something, or does that not even vaguely address the point? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 05:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
lolololol... you must be new here. You're always missing something, because the most direct they will ever address a point is vaguely. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 07:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy: That may be some fancy numbers and graphs, but you never talked about my metaphor! --Night Jaguar (talk) 08:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
And, sadly, RonLar won't...img larronsicut fur in nocte 08:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
No surprises there, but really good work anyway.
I must add I always imagined that the rate of new words describing conservative concepts actually would increase, since it is logical that any word that describe a modern version of an old concept is likely to have been generated recently. However, you prove that the rate is mostly random, which I interpret to mean that Andy is just full of random opinions that are only very loosely related to actual conservative ideas.
Another interesting thing that Andy points out, is that it is the rate of best words, not just the rate of words, or rate of "good" words, or the general quality of words, that is increasing - which only means that his own criteria for what is a "best" word changes according to his own pattern of choice. Etc 09:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd write directly to Andy if I were you, and argue that TK's ban was unfair. He'll probably ignore you, but there's a very small chance he'll revert the ban. I think that sometimes Andy REALLY believes that he is fair and open-minded... which is rather worrysome, to be honest. --Maquissar (talk) 09:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
And we're back to normal. Didn't you get an explicit prior permission from Andy to make your case? Well, he's probably deluded enough to think his gibberish about oil drilling won the argument for him anyway. Nice work though. Röstigraben (talk) 09:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Let's face it, andy has as much control over cp as a driver of an aquaplaning car has over his vehicle. He twiddles the wheel pretending he is steering whilst all the while the wheels do whatever they want, ignoring him completely.Oldusgitus (talk) 09:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually when aquaplaning the driver's wheel retains authority over the steering wheels on the car, it's just that those wheels are no longer in contact with the road surface because they're skimming over a film of water and so the car continues in a roughly straight line. The aquaplaning analogy to CP may be sound, but your description of what's wrong is misleading. 82.69.171.91 (talk) 10:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Dude, if we nitpicked every simile/metaphor, then no one would ever want to use one. All analogies suck, all similes and metaphors are fundamentally flawed. We all know that an aquaplaning car is out of control, the details behind it are trivial. Bitching about the details that don't matter is like complaining that your windshield is dirty when your car is entirely destroyed. The windshield isn't the problem, and by focusing on that, you're wasting everyone's time. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 11:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Arguing about analogies is like baking madeleines in a badly vented kitchen while companies are financing wars to keep control over the banana production in South American countries.. --GTac (talk) 12:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
No, I believe it is a lot more like riding a polar bear with a fedora hat through a Swiss clock factory while playing metal Wagner covers on a purple plastic pan flute. Seriously. Etc 14:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
You are completely wrong. Arguing about analogies is not like that, it is literally that - David Gerard (talk) 15:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)`
CP is like a car with four broken tie rods. Fixed. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Getting trolled ...

Andy Schlafly - American Hero!

I usually avoid glorifying TK's obvious trolling but this open parody is too funny not to share: a guy whose output is assiduously avoided by the right, including by his own mother, and who exasperates appellate judges with his stubbornness in the face of contravening authority and refusal to address direct questions joins the ranks of Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, Adams, and Washington,img among important others. Congratulations Andy! This is very very meaningful! ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 18:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

(Merging my section into this one since I got sniped) Suggestedimg by SayidR and confirmedimg by TK: Andy Schlafly (check out the new pictureimg) is an American Hero, just like Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and John McCain. --Sid (talk) 18:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
That was fast: Andy headdesksimg and deletesimg the nice picture. (I got screencaps of the pic and the pic itself - though it seems that Andy isn't making the photo available under CP's license, so I'll just upload the screenshot in a minute) --Sid (talk) 18:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy removes it under the auspices of "trim" ... Ricardo 18:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
(EC)Oh, modest Andy took it down already. Come on, Andy, that list doesn't have nearly enough white men on it yet. Röstigraben (talk) 18:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Things are going weird over in CP land. First Ken's psychotic episode, now TK is getting his troll on in an obvious fashion. I have my fingers crossed for a total implosion this week. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I downloaded the image rather than screencapped, if anybody wants it.  Lily Inspirate me. 18:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy getting simultaneously demolished at Talk:conservative words and Talk:relativity ought to strengthen the siege mentality this week too... could be fun. --Benod (talk) 18:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm completely baffled that they not only allow LArron to take CP's law apart, but Karajou even uploaded those graphs for him. What is going on at Conservapedia? Röstigraben (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Hah, an excellent example of a trim. I've added it to Conservapedia:Schlafly Trimming. ONE / TALK 18:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Cropped screencap uploaded. It's a nice photo, really; we should ask if Andy can release it under a CC license or something so Wikipedia (and RW) could have a more flattering photo to put on his article. --Sid (talk) 18:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
He's wearing an ill-fitting suit and a casual shirt. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 19:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, it's a lot better than what's available so far... ---Sid (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Augh! It's like someone took a photo of a petri dish. ONE / TALK 19:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
He looks so like John Major in that photo it's untrue. For those of you who don't know, the nerd Major was a centre right former pm of the UK who inherited the witch thatcher's poisoned chalice. Oldusgitus (talk) 19:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, if not Andy, then Phyllisimg - thanks to Jpatt. --Sid (talk) 01:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Mr Schlafly. I presume?
I got blocked for doing the exact same thing. - π 01:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Looks to be an amusing week, indeed. Also, cheap suit looks like crap. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Is it a cheap suit? It reminds me of the inverse of the WIGO-World female Australian banker "She claimed that management indicated that... [she] had breasts too large for the clothes she was wearing". Schlafly looks like an aged tortoise stuck in a shell that is too large for him.  Lily Inspirate me. 11:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, can someone tell me why McCain is an American Hero? I know he thought it Vietnam or Korea and managed to survive a pow camp and I don't want to belittle that, but a lot of other different soldiers suffered the same faith. I wouldn't really call it a special achievement which puts you in the gallery of heroes. Or is it merely because he tried to stand up against the Nazi Communist Kenyan Affirmative Action President? --GTac (talk) 09:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Probably. Vulpius (talk) 11:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You know... all of you need to be fair when realizing, that to get a properly tailored suit, Andy would have to allow someone near his crotch. Since his wife isn't a tailor, then it would totally be a sin to do so... --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 11:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I can see it now. "And which side does Sir dress?" "Dress? I'm a man, you must be blinded by liberal deceit!" "No, I mean which way does Sir dangle Sir's wanger?" "WHAT!! How dare you! I'm not falling prey to this evil extension of the homosexual agenda!" /leaves store and enters US version of Oxfam to buy a suit without being manhandled. --PsyGremlinZungumza! 11:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

To JacobB's handler

JacobB's done sod all since his unblocking, despite clearly having been in correspondence with various CP admins. Is this his fate, to fade into obscurity? EddyP (talk) 19:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Just caught up with the JacobB story. IMO he played an absolute blinder. By taking a leading role in the Conservative Bible project, he made sure the project got finished, and by behaving a complete git to other editors, he made sure the translation had little if any input from genuine Bible scholars. Altogether, by making sure the translation was completed and was done to a very low standard, he helped to earn CP the utter contempt of the rest of the Raving Right. His cunning plan has done more for the destruction of this particular anti-rational website than all the other parodists and socks put together. Well done JacobB, whoever you are. The Real James Brown (talk) 20:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
TRJB couldn't have it more wrong. JacobB didn't chase away any "scholars" from assfly's project because it didn't draw any. On the rare occasions somebody remotely intelligent came along, it was usually not to contribute to it but to chastise it, and they got shut down by Andy before JacobB got a chance to shake his fist at them from behind him and yell, "Yeah! What HE said!" He also had little to do with getting it completed - that was the work of minor, less lauded parodists and TerryH and Andy themselves.
Describing him as cunning is dumb, and saying he contributed to the decline of CP is the most moronic thing I've ever heard. CP is dead, and RationalWiki, or at least that part of it that focuses on CP, is not so much a forum for laughing at morons than it is a grim reminder of the fate of mankind, to huddle around dying stars in the twilight of the universe, eeking out an existence on the few lols provided by their contracting mass.
That may be a poor analogy for RW, but I have a good one for JacobB, and any other "parodist" who contributes over there. Imagine a really big pile of crap. And imagine there are four or five quys squatting over the pile, making it bigger day by day. These "parodists" are new guys who comes along, shit on the pile, and then say "LOL I ruined your pile!" while dancing around the original guys who continue to shit on the pile.ChesterTheFatass (talk) 23:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Parodists don't make the Engine of Madness run - they simply lubricate it so it runs smooth and fast. --Sid (talk) 23:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
"RationalWiki, or at least that part of it that focuses on CP, is not so much a forum for laughing at morons than it is a grim reminder of the fate of mankind, to huddle around dying stars in the twilight of the universe, eeking out an existence on the few lols provided by their contracting mass." That needs to be a cquote on some suitable page - David Gerard (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Members of the CP's Shadow Parodist Wing simply encourage Andy's self-destructive tendencies. Anyway, does anyone know if Andy has named some one to carry out his project should he become incapacitated (well, moreso), and, if so, is that person a parodist? --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
If anybody, then I'd guess TerryH. He had been the most devoted defender of "Andy's opinion is The Truth!" on TZB (to the degree of pretty much explicitly saying just that) and claimed (if memory serves correctly) to have met him in real life. I'd normally vote for family first, but both Roger and young Phyllis don't seem to chant the "Andy = Truth" mantra. --Sid (talk) 01:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
CTF had me until he referred to CP as a dieing star. --Opcn (talk) 04:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
To continue CTF's analogy, the parodists don't shit on the pile, they supply the laxative that keeps the other guys shitting.  Lily Inspirate me. 06:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

(Unindent) Whoever deserves the credit for completing the Conservative Bible, it's this that's finally destroyed the credibility of CP with their fellow extremists/ fundamentalists. Blasphemy is the unforgivable sin for these guys and tampering with the so-called Word of God is considered as blasphemy. The Real James Brown (talk) 14:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

That would be Andrew Schlafly, then - David Gerard (talk) 15:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Yup. Either Schlafly is such an arrogant tosser he doesn't think the stuff about blasphemy doesn't apply to him, or he's a deep-cover ueber-parodist working to discredit the US conservative movement. The latter would be a more logical explanation of his behaviour but who knows. The Real James Brown (talk) 23:19, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina? Obama's fault.

Ken's insight of the day:img

Trend forecaster Gerald Celente who predicted the current financial crises and the Tea Party Movement does not have any confidence in Obama [...] They can’t fix BP, they can’t fix Katrina, education.

Man, I love the smell of reading comprehension fail in the morning...

(Self-clarify: "Obama is responsible for BP" is an old meme, so I took it as a given here.) --Sid (talk) 20:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

"Oh crap, busted! Quick, let's remove the quote and hope that nobody actually bothers to read the link!"img --Sid (talk) 21:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Wait, is Ken a survivalist? It's hard to picture him surviving a squirrel attack, let alone obamageddon. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
You mean the liberal apocalypse, because when the liberals start eating brains, we'll need to make sure that we're safe... (and have plenty of gold) --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 08:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
We have an article on that charlatan Gerald Celente. He makes a lot of predications these days about how terrible Obama's policies will be, but shucks if he isn't short on specifics.--ADtalkModerator 02:39, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
You have to hand it to the guy, though. He does seem to have a talent for getting newspapers to print his press releases. It's just rather a shame he didn't seem to predict that littering your website with animated gifs and java applets would go out of style in 1998. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 04:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

ooh creepy.

You saw it here first folks:

--PsyGremlinPraat! 10:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

From our Andy Schlafly article: "Schafly looks like a poor-quality action figure of Stephen Colbert." - Some Evil Liberal Mocker at Cracked.com. --Night Jaguar (talk) 11:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

TK finally snaps out of his daze

So much for RonLar debating conservative words, I guess. And he took FrankC with him. Plus 131,072 IPs --Sid (talk) 11:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, like the big problem here is that he was debating about "Words" the article has long since abandoned "words" alone, and switched over to simply "terms". "Ambulance chaser"? That is not a "word" that is a "noun phrase"... Basically, Andy can pull together and phrase he wants... dictionary be damned. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 11:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
TK reminds me of the weird bastard offspring of Achmed "Silence! I block you!" --PsyGremlin말하십시오 11:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Hurrah. I predicted it all. I'm like a latter day Gerald Celente. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 11:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I just checked Conservapedia's user list and couldn't find the "blocked user Larron". Did I look in the wrong place, or is TK just plain wrong? 77.176.76.82 (talk) 12:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy is the one that called TK off. Andy is the one who sicked TK on them. 207.67.17.45 (talk) 12:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
It's not really my place to answer this (there is a better authority but he's not here just at the moment) but Larron was DiEb at CP. TK is just being lazy (as always) and showing that he reads us far to much.  Lily Inspirate me. 13:32, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Karajou catches on with the doublethink: "Those images I happily uploaded before? Unsourced POV, obviously!" --Sid (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
It all just goes to show what a cunt Andy is. He crows about how 'liberals can't prove my bullshit theory wrong', then when somebody does prove him wrong TightKnickers burns and salts the earth and you don't see Andy saying, "No hang on, I was having a debate with that person." He just keeps on crowing. He is intellectually and morally bankrupt and Terry Koeckritz is lower than the black stuff between dead people's toes. /rant off. --PsyGremlinSermā! 13:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Another founding pillar of CP blown away in the cause of crushing dissent. I guess "we welcome original research" is now, "we welcome you to make shit up that confirms the crazy stuff we already believe, everything else needs a source." --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Have a look here: my new mail to A. Schlafly. larronsicut fur in nocte 14:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, well, well: A. Schlafly unblocked User:RonLar. That will have no effect, of course, as TK covered all the bases, i.e., the IPs.
And the comment ‎ (second chance, please do not simply engage in talk here) borders to an insult... larronsicut fur in nocte 15:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Someone needs to link Andy to the rangeblock so he can fix it. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, theoretically, you could make 9 talk posts for every 1 substantive edit made, but as we all know, that rule is complete bullshit. I say walk away; yes it's frustrating, but at least you hold the moral high-ground. --PsyGremlinZungumza! 15:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Andy must have laid down a smackdown. Kara's undeleted the graphs. Now if it wasn't for that pesky IP address that's blocked... --PsyGremlinTal! 16:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Since the very existence of "conservative" words seems to have been conclusively shown to be subjective bullshit, am I reading correctly that the new response resolves to him chiding you for not recognizing that there's such a thing as "best" "conservative" words? What are the objective criteria for determining "best?" This has gotten even more stupid. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 17:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
That's exactly the point, if it is only the "best" words that are increasing at a "1-2-4-8 pattern rate" then the selection is completely arbitrary.  Lily Inspirate me. 17:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Didn't Andy ask if anyone was able to prove his pattern as incorrect? It would seem as though this type of request would be an invitation to talk and debate along with set aside the 90/10 rule. Quazywabbit (talk) 17:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
In a reasonable world, yes. But if he did that, there would be a chance of his bullshit actually being disproven, and we can't have that now, can we? No, no. You must disprove Andy's pattern while at the same time being a high-quality contributor (bonus points for realizing that these goals are mutually exclusive). In other words, we're right back at what we knew already: Praise Andy or be ignored/banned. --Sid (talk) 18:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I give Aschlafly oh, being generous, three days before he starts crowing about how he's unblocked the editor and still they've "run away" from his "irrefudiatable" (toth S Palin) points, oil wells and whatnot. He's clueless as to the range blocks (even though he hisself instituted the damnable things. 03:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC) C®ackeЯ
"irrefudiatable"? You realise that when you wrote that, 10 angels died. --PsyGremlinParlez! 09:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Projection much?

Essay:_You_obviously_don't_understand_how_science_works... - π 12:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Given how Ken's essays are just a bunch of pictures (which, let's fact it, are infinitely better than long rambling sentences with a gazillion "in regards to"), I can't wait to see Joaquin's 5000-word "Gallery of French painters." By the way, where is Speedy Gonzales lately? Think the Arizonans shot him, or maybe he just finally realised what TK meant by "liberal multi-culturism"? --PsyGremlinTala! 12:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
It's tragic that whilst the people on here seem genuinely concerned about a certain persons health and tried to help, the morons at cp continue to allow him to post rambling, gibbering, rubbish. He's on a one way spiral with those type of 'friends'.Oldusgitus (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah, but remember, if they were to help Ken, it would be an admission that there is a conservative with mental issues, and Andy would probably rather see somebody die than admit his little ivory tower has flaws. --PsyGremlinPrata! 13:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Ken is just a bigoted nutter. He has now protected the talk page of cp:Essay: Atheists clinging to 19th century "science" after redirecting it to Evolution. And done the same for cp:Talk:Essay: You obviously don't understand how science works....  Lily Inspirate me. 18:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Somehow, flinging around accusations that atheists cling dogmatically to 19th century science doesn't seem the wisest thing for those clinging dogmatically to 1st century superstition to be doing. Olé! Olé! Olé! --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the way I look at it, if they push Ken out, then he will simply fragment the wiki, and run off with his own material to his own aSK-like wiki. So, it's entirely possible that they're attempting to avoid this sort of fragmentation. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
No, he won't. Unlike PJR, Ken is totally incompetent. He has no idea how to do the first thing involved in setting up a website to host his own shit. He's utterly dependant on other people to propagate his shite on the net. If he were banned from CP, he'd have to go back to spamming forums and blogs. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh shit, you're right. I totally spaced out on the other side of my "you can only argue this if you're stupid or moral dishonest." AS and PJR are raving lunatics, but at least have some brain power... but you're right Ken fits quite firmly upon the later former... I meant to imply that he's fucking retarded as all shit. (I failed to implicitly state his stupidity properly, so I needed to make it vulgarly explicit.) --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 19:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
And the dribbling continues. How long is it going to take Ken to realise that not even the folks at CP are paying him any attention anymore?--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 20:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, how I love Ken. He's finished talking to Andy and has moved on to Karajouimg, as Stunteddwarf points out. I can only assume that it is because Andy keeps on removing Ken's constant gibberish that he posts on his talk page, so now Karajou has to deal with his crap. Humorously, it also seems to be Karajou's new job to forward messages from Ken to Andy, as Ken asks Karajou, though rather jokingly, to tell Andy that he should upgrade the servers, as their new article on Poe's Law has earned the amazing rank of 5th on Google. Funny, though, how it cannot beat an article on the same subject coming from a certain known vandal site. ~SuperHamster Talk 20:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
400 jokes and not a single one that's funny. That takes talent of a sort, I guess. --Kels (talk) 23:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh come on, the flying kitteh thing is TOTALLY hilarious. Of course, that's just because it's a cute kitteh joke. As always, a broken clock is still right two times a day[please find this article, and link it, I'm too drunk to do so.]. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 01:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Ken can't do that, Geocities doesn't exist any more. (So where do conspiracy theorists put up their stuff these days? Blogger?) - David Gerard (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikia doesn't have high technical barrier to creating a wiki. CS Miller (talk) 14:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

WOWimg.....I'm speechless. --Night Jaguar (talk) 22:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Surely satire of this quality belongs to the main page. Vulpius (talk) 23:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Thought that the kitty was bad enough?img Ken should make another "essay" where he displays the antigravity kitty, one of the greatest wonders of all. Scientists are baffled as to how the kitten evolved to have a buttered piece of toast attached to its back. ~SuperHamster Talk 23:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Does Ken even realize that is wrecking the last remaining tatters of credibility CP has with these posts? Who is going to take these "essays" seriously as satire or parody when it's obvious he doesn't understand what either term means? It goes so far as to damage the Young Earth Creationist cause overall, even "Dr" Kent Hovind wouldn't be this stupid. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 23:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Don't forget his latest essay of epic fail!img --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
That's a great point there, BeeMac; whilst ourselves and others in the reality-based community have always held CP in the disregard it deserved, it may well have had some credibility amongst the religious right. Now with the Assfly's rewriting of the bible they've alienated much of the christians they had, and Ken's recent appalling behaviour must be an embarrassment to even creationists. I wonder if the youtube idiots will even distance themselves from it? DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 01:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Great point on Dr. Dino there BMcP --Opcn (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Wow. Just wow. If it was anybody else, I'd say they were trolling the crap out of CP. I'm not sure which is worrying me more - Ken's apparent manic episode, or the fact that Andy et al seem to think what he's doing is actually benefiting CP. And meanwhile, whilst proudly displayed on the mainpage, the socialism, abortion and Dawkins projects lie rotting in the bottom of their septic tank of knowledge. --PsyGremlinПоговорите! 09:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but I'm really hoping he takes it to the next level and puts the flying kitty on the front page. It's really where the trajectory of CP is heading. I wonder if even then the rest of the CP inmates would feel compelled to do anything about this one particular lunatic? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 13:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Well that would be the ultimate Poe. I'm not sure what the point is of all this. I can only assume it's his idea of crocaduck (or is it duckadile?). It's gone beyond bizarre. I wonder if anything is going on in the ZB. I'll have to wait until Terry Koeckritz forwards the weekly instalment to me to find out. However, it just goes to show that even Andy is only interested in his 'babies' and the rest can go to hell. Come on Karajou, TK, we know you read us, put your foot down and stop Ken from turning CP into an even bigger joke. Who needs parodists when you've got ken? --PsyGremlinSnakk! 13:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
The only thing I can think of is that he's trying to write a satire on the flying squirrel. They are sometimes used as an example of a transitional form to bats. It is a squirrel, but bats, although they look liked winged mice, aren't related to rodents. However, the flying squirrel does have a bat-like winged membrane connecting its fore and hind limbs. It can't actually fly, just glide (and not even powered glides), but it is the first step on the way to a bat-like mammal. Next the flying squirrel will have to get stronger limbs, so that it can do powered gliding, then limited flying, then full flying. Along the way it will have to loose the fur on its wings as fur causes too much drag. CS Miller (talk) 13:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
You just gave him so much more credit than he deserves, it's likely to cause another economic meltdown. The real reason he's doing what is doing is because he's a half dozen crab paste sandwiches, a blanket, some pimms and a wicker basket short of a picnic. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Ken's Youtube contacts won't abandon him because it's obvious they have a deal. Lil' Kenny promotes their obscure videos on the CP mainpage and they feature Conservapedia in their videos. For both sides, it is all about the hits, not the substance. This is the same sort of deal Ken has with that "True Free Thinker" blog, who creates material so Lil' Kenny can reference back to the blog in his pet articles, otherwise it would languish in complete obscurity in the blogosphere. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Now featuring flying Beagles

Because saying the same thing over and over but with swapping pictures of different animals is satire!img Is there any sort of point Ken is making other than demonstrating his lack of originality by re-writing the same junk over and over? At least Lil' Kenny delivers the lutz. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 15:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Ken's flying animals also left a mess in the Double Redirectsimg - time for TK to clean up while pretending that there is absolutely nothing wrong here! --Sid (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick

Regarding this WIGO.

"Cheeks" isn't a nickname; Cheeks is her maiden name. MDB (talk)

Boy, is my face red. I thought it was Andy having more "liberals are fat slobs" fun. --PsyGremlinHable! 16:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
To be fair... she does have well-defined cheeks... --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 19:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
It's like people who say B. Husein Obama, sure technically they aren't doing anything wrong, however they are still racists. --Opcn (talk) 20:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not like that at all, Opcn. See, the link assfly gives SAYS her name as Cheeks the very first time it refers to her. ChesterTheFatass (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay then. *cue eye roll*--Opcn (talk) 06:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

numbering

wigo 3637 doesn't show up because it's out of order with 3638... I tried to fix but don't know how to keep the votes correct. I put in the next as 3639 and that one works. Kalliumtalk 21:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

wigo 3637 is commented out (<!-- wigo 3637 -->), and shall not be shown: so, nothing to fix there larronsicut fur in nocte 21:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so that's what the <!--... --> was. I rarely post 'em so I was confused by that. There's my new thing learnt for the day. Kalliumtalk 22:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Don't enter the code and WIGO numbers manually, just highlight your entry and click the clicky! DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 23:28, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Highlight my entry where? and what clicky? I've made a few wigos, but I do it by hand, because I don't know how to use the automatic tools. (An example of being so smart, that you have to take the difficult road, because the other road confuses you. "What do you mean there are simple rules to derivation? I've been doing the limit ratios this who fucking time!") --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 01:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Erm, I hope I don't sound patronising, but you see right at the top of the page (when editing WIGO) it says:
How to add new entries:
1. Type the new entry somewhere on the page, usually above previous ones.
2. Select the text you just entered and click here.
The "click here" being the clicky clicker on which you must click. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 02:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Laries and gennlemen. I give you DeltaStar, our very own graduate from the Donald Rumsfeld School of Clear, Concise Public Speaking. --PsyGremlinPrata! 10:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
For mine I tried the clicker several times but it didn't work. My confusion came when putting in the number manually because the wigo before it wasn't showing up, but that's the one that was voted down. I just didn't recognize the "commented out" formatting. Kalliumtalk 09:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Like, seriously, no, I never saw that before. As I think I mentioned, I knew how to do the limit ratio thing, so I never bothered to figure out the shortcuts. Call me blind, or call me whatever, but I had no reason to look... I knew what to do by hand, already. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 03:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Who the hell is Richard Harris?

Is he like Sam Dawkins?img--Opcn (talk) 22:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Intellectualism at work

Conservapedia headline: Liberal claptrap claims more victims: PhD programs, journalism, theater and music all have this in common: they are among the ten worst fields of study now. Forget about getting a good job if you major in this junk img, actual FoxNews link[3] does mentions journalism, and "Performance and Fine Arts", but also investment banking, corporate work, and architecture as among the top ten worst fields for graduates in 2010. You think those latter three are not seen as "liberal claptrap" by CP, especially banking and corporate work.

Bonus weird: Since when were PhD programs a "job field" for graduates? I do enjoy how CP suggests that earning a PhD a waste of time and therefore those who have PhDs are somehow irrelevant, or worse. I suspect that Il Duce was rejected when applying to enter a PhD program and holds an every lasting bitterness those those who where accepted, and especially those who went on and successfully earned their PhD. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 22:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

The PhD thing struck me as weird too. I'd ask about it, but I don't want my sock to get banned. Senator Harrison (talk) 22:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
As an attorney, doesn't Andy have the equivalent of a PhD? MDB (talk) 23:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that is true, which makes his tirade again earning PhDs or at least pursuing such a degree as "liberal claptrap" even more bizarre. Maybe he only means PhDs in fields of science as such? --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 23:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
With that particular choice of words, it's also possible that he's trolling his resident pianist (see first line of his profile). Junggai (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so the Juris Doctor is actually a really funny story behind it. So, the government decided that they were only going to pay people based on what degree the person had. If they had a Bachelor's, X, if they had a Bachelor's + a specialized professional degree, Y, if they had a Master's Z, and if they had a doctorate, they paid $$$. Realizing that lawyers stood to lose a substantial amount of money by being relegated to "Bachelor's plus a professional degree", they quickly revised the education, and decided that they were going to hand out Juris Doctors, to ensure that every Law School graduate had a "doctorate", and thus qualify for the bonus cash. Note: a Masters of Law has had more study than a Doctor of Law. That's how the system got setup because of loopholes. So, while "legally" ASchlafy has a doctorate, he doesn't have a Ph.D., and he did not go to 6 extra years of education to get his doctorate. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 01:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
And they used to be so proud of all these guys, but I guess they're just suckers who have fallen for liberal claptrap after all. Röstigraben (talk) 06:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Wow, so now Andy's hating on journalists (ok, so they're the liberal MSM), but the arts?? If it wasn't people studying that, he wouldn't be able to attend the theatre, or an opera, or a recital. Then again, given that he spends every night on CP, it's unlikely that he does. What's doubly ironic, is he's somehow wishing his homeschool classes will send his kids onto science and whatever degrees, while he's actually gearing them up for a job where all they need to know is 'Do you want fries with that?' --PsyGremlinFale! 09:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Altho, given that these have cp:Poe's law as an 'see also' I can only assume that these are based on Ken's complete misinterpretation of the law. --PsyGremlinParlez! 09:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
If it turned out empirically that promoting fries with that tends to cause people to read the Bible less, would you still push this so much? - David Gerard (talk) 10:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
It's just so hard to read the bible sitting in my lap over the enormous set of man tits I've been growing after eating all those french fries. --Opcn (talk) 11:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

65th Anniversary of the Hiroshima Bombing

...what? A symbolic sign of warmth, friendship and partecipation towards Japan, 65 years after obliterating two of their cities, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians? Obama truly has no backbone! --Maquissar (talk) 23:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

This trolling brought to you by Terry Koeckritz. Nothing to see here, folks. Junggai (talk) 23:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Hm? What do you mean? --Maquissar (talk) 23:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The post was written by TK, aka TrollKing. Not worth taking seriously. Junggai (talk) 23:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. In fact, about 95% of all posts Terry Koeckritz ever makes to the main page, are for our benefit, rather than CP's. Deny this and lose all credibility. --PsyGremlinKhuluma! 09:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Altho, as I've said, being Republican means never having to say sorry. And sending people abroad just smacks of that nasty liberal multi-culturism Terry Koeckritz is so racist shit-scared about. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 09:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

In which the obvious is repeated

Ken needs help. The guy has been tinkering with his "Essays" for the last 17 hours, without so much as an hour break at any point. PubliusTalk 15:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Does he have a job? (I ask from my office...) MDB (talk) 15:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, the people he's closest too are those least likely to help him. PJR has refused, I've sent e-mails to Andy and TK and neither have the courtesy to even reply and clearly have no intention of assisting Ken. The scary thing is, Andy probably believes Ken is doing sterling work, writing so many new pages for his blog.
Hey, if something does happen (God/random chance forbid), would Andy as owner of CP face any kind of liability for not taking action, even when told there was a problem? Just curious. Any US ambulance chasers care to comment? --PsyGremlinParla! 15:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Philip refused? Please tell me that there's more to this story or that it's not as bad as you just made it sound... And Rob or Karajou might be worth a shot - didn't Rob have Ken's phone number or something? Sure, they're both very opposed to us or liberals, but maybe they give a shit about a fellow conservative here? --Sid (talk) 15:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
There better be more to that story, because as it stands it sounds like Christian charity ain't worth much of a damn when it comes to actually helping people. Hell, if I knew where he lived I'd call social services, how fucking hard would that be? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 15:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Job? Start thinking about more basic needs. Check his last 500 contribsimg - there is one nonstop binge going from "13:06, 4 August 2010" to "06:42, 5 August 2010" with several edits EACH HOUR from what I can see. That's basically... uh... almost 18 hours? And the edit before that binge was from "08:33, 4 August 2010", meaning that he just got a bit more than 4 hours of sleep. Aside from his August 3 (~4am) break, his current phase of inactivity is the longest this week from what I saw. ...oh, and those are just the edits he lets us see - take a look at his deletion log of that time... --Sid (talk) 15:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
God almighty. I feel a little like Shelley Duvall walking into the graffiti-covered room in The Shining. MDB (talk) 15:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
EC) Andy can blame it on liberal atheist homosexuals for leading him on. I don't think there's a "duty of care" either implied or explicit for contributors to ones webshite: he could be a parodist (I know he ain't, but it's an obvious defence) 15:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
(EC) I don't know the exact details, but PJR was asked to speak to Ken, or alternatively to provide an IP address, so authorities in that location could contact him and Phil basically said no. But that's second hand info. It was during the whole 'countdown' saga. --PsyGremlinTala! 15:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Can someone write a program to monitor Kenservatives edits so we don't have to check and guess to find out if he has gotten any sleep lately? I once heard a rumor that he edits from the library at SUNY buffalo but they aren't open 24/7. Is it possible that he is living on campus?--Opcn (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
My Ken-Monitor is my Greasemonkey Ken-Filter script: If the Recent Changes suddenly start to display fewer lines than usual, it means he's active. That allows me to observe Ken without actually observing him and his craziness. (IN YOUR FACE, SCHRÖDINGER!) --Sid (talk) 18:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Ahh! That's it! I was getting that yesterday when I had your (top notch) script running. So the browser still on retrieves the last 50 edits, and then strips Ken's efforts out? So 3 edits displayed means that 47/50 were Ken! Superb! DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 18:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

...And the paranoia continues...

Quoth Ken, "parodist from NH stymied , curses foiled again!" Then, 10 minutes later "I was told parodist was from NH but geolocate seems to indicate Maine. no matter. still a parodist"

Told by who, Ken? The voices in your head? He really thinks Human is out to get him. This guy needs serious help, pronto. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 18:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sid!

Please to enjoy Template:KenWatch:

Template:KenWatch

The template shows (a) Ken's last session of no less than one hour and (b) Ken's last two or three sessions of no less than eight hours. A session is a run of activity with a space of no more than 60 minutes between any two consecutive edits. The template is updated (at most) once every ten minutes by cronjob. The cronjob maintains a local cache of Ken edits; this means it remembers edits that have been deleted and/or oversighted out of existence. I hope you like the color. mb 22:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if Philip Rayment's christian charity will kick in once he sees this or if he'll continue to quibble and equivocate. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 23:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Awesome work! :) --Sid (talk) 00:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and I'm such a heartless asshole that I forgot to say (a) I hope this is an effective monitoring tool for 'someone' close enough to Ken to be able to get through to him, and (b) Larron rocks my cock as usual. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 00:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Conservative going without pause in July 2010
put into perspective

larronsicut fur in nocte 08:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

RonLar

(just to get the captures :-)

RonLar thanked Aschlafly for unblocking his user-accountimg, while asking for the range-blocks of his home, workplace, etc. being lifted. He closes with:

Of course, if you got convinced that my contributions are detrimental to your site, you don't have to do anything - and I will stop to edit, as the process becomes to cumbersome.

Aschlafly seems to like this option very much, as he totally sidesteppedimg this plea to get the blocks undone, but instead he denigrates RonLar's edits: Ron, your "contributions" have been mostly talk. (I like the apostrophes!) While lecturing about the essence of his wiki (as in Substantive edits to entries are the essence of this wiki), Aschlafly forgets that RonLar just followed his advice to raise objections on the talk page at Conservapedia, when he just tried to pick up the gauntlet thrown by Aschlafly himselfimg on the mainpage om July 13, 2010:

That is the new number of Best New Conservative Terms by century as we find the next layer. Liberals doubt our observed doubling per century for these words, yet every layer reproves the remarkable growth pattern. Still looking for 6 more. Can any liberals disprove the pattern?

Of course, RonLar couldn't disprove the pattern - but he showed that it is very reasonable to think that this pattern is just an artifact of the biased way Aschlafly is choosing his conservative words.

larronsicut fur in nocte 16:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Would you like me to crib you some substantive edits to make? --Opcn (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


Basically the only comment Aschlafly excepts as being substantive is you are right, Andy
So, no, thank you, RonLar won't go this way: he made very substantial edits, albeit on talk pages - RonLar's work on the cp:Geometric distribution is indeed negligible.
larronsicut fur in nocte 16:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Not even biological information about unborn children? I haven't been able to sleep all night, but after I get sleep I could probably write the articles lil-phyl and been asking for. --16:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if Andy realises what a douche he's being. 'Liberals cannot refute my claims', and then when you do refute him, he moans that you're just talking. Maybe create an article cp:Refudiation (damn now I'm doing it) of Conservapedia's law. That way he can't moan that it's just talk talk talk. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 16:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Relics

John the Baptist's bones found in Bulgaria. Again. I'm sure somewhere else claims his bones. And why would a nice Jewish boy end up in Commie (or ex-Commie) Bulgaria. (Unless he's a missing Womble). However, this whole relics thing is a very Catholic idea (I mean haven't they found enough pieces of the cross to make one 3km long or something stupid). It smacks horribly of idoltry to me. I mean would JtB's bones be in a church that's supposed to only worship God? --PsyGremlinRunāt! 16:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

There was a QI about Mary's mum (Anne?) having seven certified heads. 16:11, 5 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Hehe, read the linked article. It tells you about the half dozen other places who also have John the Baptist's bones. Amazing people, those Biblical characters, they all must have looked like Krishna. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I always thought the "relic" thing was weird. I like to imagine there's something like Warhol's Factory jut pumping them out somewhere. Quarubank heist - You can't explain that! 16:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately YouTube doesn't seem to have a clip from The Black Adder where they actually do start selling relics. "Here, I have a true relic, a fragment of bone from the finger of Our Lord Himself!!" "...that's funny, I thought they only came in packs of 10." Scarlet A.pngsshole 16:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Whoo! 6:46 in Scarlet A.pngsshole 16:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
And why would a nice Jewish boy end up in Commie (or ex-Commie) Bulgaria. Er, because Communism wasn't invented during the Middle Ages? Faking relics was an industry in that period, though, so chances are these are John's bones, or at least people at the time thought so. :) That guy must have had interesting skeletal structure. :) --ZooGuard (talk) 16:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
You realize they will use Carbon Dating to test the age of these bones, right? So if the dating shows the bones as too old or too young, then Carbon Dating doesn't work and they are denying his existence to besmirch the Bible. If the age does turn out to be right, CP will have to deal with the uncomfortable idea of declaring the bones truly John's, acknowledging grudgingly that dreaded "evolutionist" method. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 17:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
But don't they already accept carbon dating as being correct for the Turin shroud? i.e. it's fine when it agrees with them, but start using it to go 10 or 20000 years into the past, then it's the Devil's machine. --PsyGremlinTala! 17:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I stopped reading after the first few sentences, did they have any reason other than the date January 24th being inscribed on the alter in which the jar had been sealed to think it was John the baptist? --Opcn (talk) 19:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
The fact that the monastery was dedicated to John the Baptist comes to mind. :-) The very name of the island, Sveti Ivan (Saint John), is a reminder of that. Of course, this only tells us that in the Middle Ages the local Christians probably believed that those were his relics... not that they actually are. --Xyr (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I saw JtB's arm just a few weeks ago in Istanbul. I can confirm that it looked very saintly. --Horace (talk) 21:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Looks more like the arm of Goldfinger to me. "Do you expect me to be the messiah?" "No, Mr. Christ! I expect you to die!" --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Well it's not flying pigs...

...seems Ken's now fixated on Samson. hereimg and hereimg. Maybe he's been called to fill Joaquin's shoes. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 17:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Well at least they are actual works of art. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 17:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Muscled guy in a revealing outfit grappling a huge pillar? No wonder Ken's so fixated. Vulpius (talk) 18:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Aw!

In the military, somebody strips your rank from you. On CP, poor old JacobB has to do it himself.img Will he ever get his special powahs back? People want to know. --PsyGremlinPrata! 17:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

And back up to his old tricks I see. Proposition 8 wasn't overturned, It didn't happen!img. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 21:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
To be fair, Prop 8 hasn't been completely eliminated. The judge issued a stay on his ruling in order to allow an appeal, as his decision is not the final arbitration on the matter. Of course stating that a court that actually found it unconstitutional is simply a statement of fact, so there's not much of any redemption left for the edit... --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 03:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Such stays are typical for obvious reasons. Once a law is ruled unconstitutional the natural urge, if it's still on the books (and it usually is), is to run out and avail oneself of the right newly refound. So it's common that courts will step cautiously, pretending the litigants before them are the most interested parties, and issue their order overturning an unconstitutional law with the caveat that it's not effective until either party fails to avail himself of the opportunity for appeal. These kinds of legal battles are predominately determined as a matter of law, as opposed to a matter of fact since the factual record in a statutory unconstitutionality case usually (federal 14th amendment and other cases are weird bc parties have to litigate whether Congress legislated on an adequate record to invoke its remedial power) consists merely of the simple fact that a statute was passed that says what it says (versus the far more complicated issue of adducing evidence to support each element of a claim). Anyway, the only real issue I take with Eira's characterization of things is that the court's judgment wasn't a statement of fact, but a conclusion of law. The distinction is important because an appellate court is bound by conclusions of law unless certain kinds of error can be shown, but the standard of review for an error in construction of law is de novo, meaning the appellate court is going to make its own legal findings all over again. The appropriate thing to do when reporting on a statute is to give a review of the district and final appellate court decisions. That is, people skip the circuit court decision if the supreme court granted certiorari and rendered an opinion unless they're doing a more or less contemporaneous review. So JacobB's edit was a whitewash in my opinion, but it was quickly followed up by better reporting so who cares. He's a parodist. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 03:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I didn't say that the court ruling was a finding of fact. I said "Of course stating that (a court that actually found it unconstitutional) is simply a statement of fact". So, the statement of fact is: "a court ruled it unconstitutional". I know how the law works. :P I await your apology for misunderstand me. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 05:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Using terms of art, it's not a statement of fact. It's literally a conclusion of law. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 05:53, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
When I say "My cat is black and white." Such a statement is a fact. Thus, it is a statement of fact. I am saying a fact. Can I make this any more clearly? Neither term is being used as any sort of special term, and the phrase is not being used as special term itself. It is quite simply, a simple noun phrase construction with the simple meanings of each word. Saying "a court ruled prop 8 is unconstitutional" is saying the truth, because it is a fact. Thus it is a statement of fact. Is this all clear now? --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 09:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The legal meanings of 'law' and 'fact' aren't the same as the layman's terms; I'd have gone anal over it myself. Just something to avoid.Webbtje (talk) 10:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Take a deep breath. This isn't aSK and I'm not PJR. And you're misusing a technical term. The world isn't going to stop spinning if someone on the internet thinks you're a pedantic little shit. This isn't srs bznss. Srsly. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 13:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

What is this?

[1]img

[2]img

a mistake or what? Ricardo 18:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Nah, just Terry Koeckritz crapping on the front step of somebody's castle. --PsyGremlinZungumza! 18:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Questions about CP?

Still new to CP, RW etc, and I have a few questions (things that do not make sense).

Someone said above that they turn off the editing at night? How does this work?

I watch Recent Changes a lot when I can, but many of the editors I see edit have no information here. Who are these people? foia, tzoran, phylliss, I think other I don't know. I see a lot that makes a lot of the edits, but no info here. Sorry if I'm new to all of this. I see these in Recent Changes but I think it doesn't go back forever.

Are rights structured differently on CP than on RW? I see here that we have many "sysops" but I don't know how many CP uses. I don't know about Mediawiki to see how to tell.

Sorry to be ignorant (and maybe poor grammar too). I'm learning bit by bit.Ricardo 18:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Lets see...
  • They switch over the permissions when Schlafly isn't awake and in front of his computer to oversee his royal domain so only people with the "edit" permission can make edits. This is basically only the sysops.
  • If someone doesn't have a page here it's because they aren't a big wheel at CP...
    • FOIA is a one trick pony who is obsessed with the communists in the closet. Generally people like him and KAL007 keep to their own little worlds and don't do anything interesting.
    • TZoran is probably a parodist and will get banned in the fullness of time after playing out whatever endgame suits him best.
    • PhyllisS is Schlafly's creepily named daughter. Distinctly less crazy than her dad, and hence uninteresting for the most part.
  • Not really. Here most everyone is a sysop. Stick around for any length of time and you'll be one too no doubt. At CP, there are perhaps 6 or so active or semi-active sysops and no hope of getting any more, since everyone they promote turns out to actually be against them. That's what happens if you're promoting insanity, I guess.

Hope that helps. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

What Jeeves said, but read in the voice of Stephen Fry. --GTac (talk) 20:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Ricardo, in addition to what Jeeves said. Certain people at CP have siteadmin rights which enables them to turn the database off and on so if Andy was away from his computer and there was a vandal attack they could lock the system. I think this is similar to switching the night edit mode off and on but one of the tech gurus would need to verify that. Sysops have the ability to lock/unlock, delete and move/rename pages in addition to block other editors. As moving page names around can be more difficult to undo CP restricts the number of sysops to only a "trusted" core group. At RW we consider that sharing the ability to undo page moves amongst a large group makes any clean-up operations relatively easy. Andy would like to think that the sysop position is given on merit but really you need to show a degree of brown-nosing to his world-views to really succeed. Giving people block rights is largely a minor thing as other people wih block rights can undo their own block, so it only inconveniences the disenfranchised plebs.
I suggest that you read our CP articles, particularly about Andy and the main sysops, as it will give you a lot more background about them which would take too much time to elucidate here. Suffice it to say that Andy's mum is called Phyllis Schlalfy and has been a grande dame of the Republican Party for many years and is known for her right-wing virulently anti-feminist views. A lot of Andy's thinking has obviously come from her. Andy has two kids, imaginatively called Andrew and Phyllis. Many people think that saddling his daughter with his lizard-like mother's name is tantamount to child abuse. Andrew junior has shown little interest in CP but was spectacularly given sysop rights (CollegeRepublican) after two edits in contrast to the many thousands of edits required of anyone outside his innner circle. When CP started it was largely edited by Andy's homechool pupils and they were obviously given sysop rights as incentives to contribute. By and large they have all disappeared; some, like BethanyS, directly because of Schlafly's views about the inferiority of women. Redchuck.gif ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 10:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Palin in the news

hereimg Apparently she thinks Obama has been screeching? I don't know how you could consider his rich deep voice screeching, if anything when he gets mad he barks, but really the tone of his voice is the absolute last thing you could possibly criticize the man for, yet here it is atop MPR for the whole world a select few with no lives to see.Opcn (talk) 19:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I like more how CP is claiming Palin is saying what the mainstream media won't even though the article linked to is from Fox News. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 21:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Foz News isn't mainstream media. And of course they will put Palin's words out there. No one else will. Quarubank heist - You can't explain that! 23:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Haven't they just got a front row White House seat? Doesn't that make them MSM? 23:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I suppose it depends. In the context, I was extending it to be "mainstream news". And then they are only for very, very special definitions of "news". Quarubank heist - You can't explain that! 23:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Et tu, JPatt?

Did JPatt really just upload this image to CP, forcing the assfly to come to the rescue? Wow, things are getting really bad over there. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, he had cropped it, but it's still hilarious that he kept the URL in the upload message, letting everybody see where true conservatives get their material from. ;) --Sid (talk) 21:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Who wants to point out a factual error in the evolution article?

It's hard to do because its mostly quotes and devoid of facts, but I noticed a Hitler quote "If nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such cases all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile." That had the word Evolution added for no reason what so ever, a better translation is "higher breeding" instead of "evolutionary higher stage of being" in large part because the word evolution (in german its spelled evolution) doesn;t appear once in the whole of mein kampf. --Opcn (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Conservapedia:Evolution. tmtoulouse 21:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, yeah I know that we have that partial take down, but that addresses the quotes as part of the argument, Ken has insulated himself largely from any claims of factual inaccuracies by quoting heavily, so you have to address them as quotes in order to technically be pointing out a factual inaccuracy in his argument. --Opcn (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Here is the original German "So wenig sie aber schon eine Paarung von schwächeren Einzelwesen mit stärkeren wünscht, soviel weniger noch die Verschmelzung von höherer Rasse mit niederer, da ja an-dernfalls ihre ganze sonstige, vielleicht jahrhunderttau-sendelange Arbeit der Höherzüchtung mit einem Schlage wieder hinfällig wäre." --Opcn (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Google Translate turns that into "They have little but a pair of weaker with stronger individuals would like as much less even the fusion of a higher breed with low, since an-Otherwise, all their other, perhaps jahrhunderttau-sendelange work of the higher development all at once would again fall", which makes more sense than your average Ken article. TerrenceKoeckring (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Dude, we are talking about someone who thinks an animated GIF of a flying cat with sunglasses complete with caption is somehow clever satire of Evolution. Good luck convincing him of the error of that above Hitwin quote. Just saying. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 23:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
The concept of translation is a liberal conspiracy created to hide the fact that hitler was an evolutionary commie liberal. "Mein Kampf" *actually* translates to "National Healthcare". X Stickman (talk) 00:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Eira Translate spits out: "So little does she (Nature) wish for a pairing of weaker individuals with stronger ones, yet so much less so the fusion of higher races with lesser ones, otherwise her (Nature) entire special, perhaps hundred thousand year long, work of breeding higher would fall away with one blow." --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 03:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
"Höcherzüchtung" could be translated "intentional breeding to lift the species to an advanced level". That would leave out the word "evolution" (the rest of the translation is correct). I don't really know whether it's justified to include it or or not - on the one hand, Hitler is talking about evolution here, on the other, he's got a very strange (and false) concept of it that seems to involve "nature" as a force actively shaping evolutionary development, possessing both a will and an aim. Nature doesn't care about whether weaker and stronger individuals interbreed, it's just that the former have a smaller chance of doing so anyway. The quote might be correct as it stands, but it's obvious that Hitler's views aren't founded in evolutionary theory, but rather an idiosyncratic form of Social Darwinism, justified by a view of the world that is completely unscientific and teleological. Nothing really new there, and Ken would never let go of his favourite evilutionist anyway. Röstigraben (talk) 07:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The whole point of it was to prove that Hitler was into evolution by taking everything he said as if he were into evolution. Rather circular. --Opcn (talk) 07:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
100% agree with R;stigraben... NO!!! My keyboard isn't set for German anymore because of my HD crash, and I'm in linux now. :( In any case, Hitler is showing the same retarded misinterpretations of evolution that creationists seem to have. Hell, if that were actually how evolution was theorized to work, I would object to it myself. And Röstigraben is spot on with the meaning of "Höherzüchtung" (except with regards to the spelling, "hoch" "höher" "höchsten"), it's difficult sometimes to properly convey the intend and context behind a compound noun in German without going off on a huge tangent. "Breeding towards a higher race" would likely be my best suggestion allowing to pull in context and such. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 09:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Oops, embarrassing typo there. I actually am German. By the way, if the Umlaut is making it difficult to refer to me, maybe the powers that be could change my account name to the "oe" spelling? Who should I bother with this? Röstigraben (talk) 10:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Don't bother: if anyone needs to link to you they can copy/paste or use the charinsert from below otherwise the can just use an "o" or "oe". Any crat can rename you if you really want. 10:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Not really, it should be fine like that. Thanks! Röstigraben (talk) 11:02, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
  • &ouml; (o-Umlaut) does the trick, too
  • The problem is the term evolution: Hitler avoided foreign terms - and some of the Nazis tried to get rid of them for good (with the usual amusing results: Viertopfzerknalltreibling for Vierzylindermotor). And the first German translation of Darwin's On the Origin of Species would speak of Zuchtwahl, Höherzüchtung, etc., too.
  • That said: Hitler's idea of the creation of man was very far from any Darwinian ideas

larronsicut fur in nocte 11:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Really?

Beware of liberal revisionism, where historians try to give credit to liberals for achievements no matter how unjustified. It was Polish mathematicians who decrypted the enigma, not an Englishman. The British are notoriously weak in mathematics.--Andy Schlaflyimg (my emphasis) 23:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Just plain rubbish at math. AceX-102 23:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't tell you the amount of times I've attempted to carry out an equation only to break down in tears at how notoriously weak I and by extension the rest of my nation is at mathematics. SJ Debaser 23:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I heard that Englishman, Issac Newton, just sucked at calculus. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 23:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Not just the British either, down here in the colonies we also suffer from the failings of our mathematically challenged for bearers. AceX-102 23:18, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Newton immediately sprang to mind, someone should point that out to Andy. --Opcn (talk) 23:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes but Newton used the Bible for his insights, not the British public education system. So there. I hear Stephen Hawking can't do simple arithmetic though. AceX-102 23:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
No-one better tell him that he's typing on a keyboard of a machine that was made possible by the homosexual enigma breaker Alan Turing. 23:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
As an aside, there was a programme on telly recently called Science and Islam, which discussed the contributions made by "Islamic science". I didn't watch much of it because I couldn't help keep screaming "No! You mean scientists who happened to be muslim, or live in an islamic country". Just as Turing was a scientist who happened to be homosexual, rather than putting the computer down to "homosexual science". (Although to be fair homosexual science has made some great discoveries.) DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 23:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
(Time magazine in naming Turing one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century, states: "The fact remains that everyone who taps at a keyboard, opening a spreadsheet or a word-processing program, is working on an incarnation of a Turing machine". WP. 23:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Well, he obviously was not gay. That's just the Gay Agenda trying to claim new people for their own. Next they'll claim Liberace, or some shit. Quarubank heist - You can't explain that! 23:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
(EC3)Also, since when is Poland known as the land of great intellectual achievement? Poland has been sacked more times than Lindsay Lohan; When Adam smith reached for an example of the poorest country in Europe Poland was his example; Poland didn't have nearly the money to pour into pursuits of higher education that the English did. So in Andys example he uses a historical stereotype to prove that historical stereotypes are no good. Bravo Andy, for your next trick why not show us how to hatchet off your own hands?--Opcn (talk) 23:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
This is really stupid. G.H. Hardy, Bertrand Russell, Newton, Alan Turing, Roger Penrose, Andrew Wiles (guy who proved Fermat's last theorem), Arthur Cayley, William Rowan Hamilton, George Boole, Charles Babbage, Augustus De Morgan .... if you wanted a country without many influential mathematicians, Britain is one of the worst choices you could have made. --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
It may be true that the Poles were the first, but apparently their method was heavily constrained to exploiting a certain weakness in the code that Turing correctly predicted the Germans would eliminate. Why does Andy hate the UK so much? Any insight into this, anyone? ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 00:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
They played the bad guys in Star Wars? Quarubank heist - You can't explain that! 00:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Still pissed off about the Revolutionary war? (Impressive, but he also still holds a grudge against Galileo.) Because he mistakenly believes they don't have freedom of speech? --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Because a) People in the UK (apart from Cameron, obviously) still point out that the US was late to both World Wars but want to make up for it by arriving at the third early. This upsets people like Andy who think we should be pathetically grateful to the US instead of calling them war-profiteering, money gouging bastards, and b) The UK does all the things that Andy hates and yet is almost ridiculously successful. Everything that we do is an affront to Andy and their continuing success constantly proves Andy wrong, and we all know how Andy loves being proved wrong. And c) our comedians came out by far with the best material about Bush and Reagan. Constant denigration of the holy cow by the British must really get on Andy's tits.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 01:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just few diffs later, Andy: "If you find a great British mathematician who ranks with the best in the world, please do tell us who he is!" I can't believe he is typing this crap. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I would ask what the flying fuck however I realize that this is inadequate. Instead I'd like to ask, what the extremely high flying, utilizing a primary carrier aircraft in order to take to sufficient attitude and then igniting its main rocket engine, flying fuck. Sen (talk) 04:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Flying Kitty makes front page

Encyclopedic.

I WIGOed it post haste. A large part of me hopes that Andy will eventually just snap and strip Ken of all his rights. --Opcn (talk) 01:27, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

GLORIOUS DAY! The perfect storm: The pinnacle of his insanity mixed with the visibility of the main page! -- JArneal 01:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
That is so going to be trimmed. I print screened the mainpage. I'm thinking of putting it on the Wikipedia article on CP. --Night Jaguar (talk) 01:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
do it againimg andy just added more crap. --Opcn (talk) 01:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
"Conservapedia's new spoof of evolution appears to be immensely popular and has received over 800 views in about one day." If only Ken could see the server logs and where those referrals were coming from. ... Server logs are a very rich source of information, Ken. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 02:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, I find many useful bits of information on my webs site's server logs. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Ughh, it's really ugly. You know how they say a TV show has "jumped the shark" when it starts to get bad? I propose using the phrase "flew the cat" for a website that has totally, utterly, absolutely lost it (okay, CP was always crazy but this is ridiculous even for them). --Night Jaguar (talk) 02:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
That is just ridiculous. AAARRRGH. Quantumcat (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, CP has finally "flown the kitteh". I can't believe it's still there. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I am in awe (shock, horror) at the edit history for this article. The author is either deeply committed or should be. Hamster (talk) 04:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it wonderful to see Andy's dreams crushed underfoot by his own minions? I wonder which way he'll jump, can he summon the spine to stop CP becoming a sort of more unfunny encyclopaedia dramatica? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 05:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
(EC)Alright, I just can't believe it's stayed up there this long. I know it's well-established that Andy doesn't look at WIGOs, but I almost think that some way or another, Andy found out about the prediction of the trim and is leaving it there to spite us. -- JArneal 05:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
It's still there... ħumanUser talk:Human 07:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
god dammit ken, just stop filling CP with your unfunny comedies. Seriously ken, what goes on in your mind???? -- my name is slugboy 08:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Ken just trimmed it himself. But that may just be paving the way for more insanity. Watch this space. Worm(t | c) 09:03, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Has he taken a break in the past 24 hours? FFS TK, DO SOMETHING. Or get Andy to do something. Ken is obviously becoming seriously deranged and for you lot to sit back and let it happen says a hell of a lot about you and you charity.Oldusgitus (talk) 09:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, he was gone from 14:00 to 20:00, that's a six hour hot dog and nap break. He also took several 30-90 minute naps or macaroni and cheese breaks over the next half day. Seems perfectly healthy to me. ħumanUser talk:Human 09:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
As pointed above, Ken stripped the flying kitty from the frontpage himself in these wee hours of the morning. You think he finally realized that perhaps he is doing more harm then good? --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 09:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Knowing Ken, it's not very likely that he would have voluntarily removed his crap from pride of place on Main Page. I have a feeling a serious smackdown was issued in the ZB. But due to having to show a unified face in public (despite Terry and Geoff calling Karajerk 'deranged' behind his back) they allowed Ken to remove it himself. --PsyGremlinPrata! 09:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I've been contacting the sysops about kens shenanegans with these essay for a few days, maybe that was enough to get the to stop ignoring it. --Opcn (talk) 10:02, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the fact than Kenny is still filling up RC with his crap, somehow disproves the theory that they've done something. A part of me is starting to think, with a suitable look of horror, that they actually approve of what he's doing. After all, his crap isn't really all that much worse than Andy's writings. --PsyGremlin話しなさい 10:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. I'm very certain that, as hard to believe it may be for us, 'Andy and the other true believers don't see Ken as deranged and embarrassing. They think he's witty and successful. They have no problem convincing themselves that we want him offline because we think we are losing the argument. You see this dynamic quite regularly in communities that have been taken over by their own radical fringe, on the right and on the left alike. mb 10:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I done heardededed through the grape vine that Andy keeps him around because his articles get massive numbers of page views. I wonder if we could successfully boycot one of the big 5 pages, or all of them, maybe have one bot set to screen shot and report back here and have everyone we can avoid clicking on the big 5. --Opcn (talk) 10:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Oldusgitus: ask and ye shall receive: Template:KenBreaks
mb 11:03, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks MB. So he may have got some half-decent rest on the 5th but other than that no rest of any significance in the past 3 days. Oh dear. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
That is absolutely fantastic. The picture of a sleepy moon makes it. And it lead me to the KenRuns template too :D What are the parameters for a KenRun and a KenBreak? ONE / TALK 13:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────You're welcome. The templates as such don't have any parameters in the wiki sense because the whole thing is a very sloppy hack job. The templates are compiled and posted by a sad little Python script on one of my local machines; the wiki merely stores them. KenBreaks documents recent breaks Ken has taken from editing that have lasted at least four hours each. KenRuns documents editing sessions of at least eight hours each, except for the most recent one, which may be as short as one hour. A session is considered to have ended if Ken has not made any edits for one hour. mb 14:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Read this in the voice of the robotology preacher from futurama

it's actually really funny that wayimg Too bad they blocked him --Opcn (talk) 01:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

How would you go about checking the logs?

Is there like a tutorial that we can send to Andy about how to check the logs, so that he can finally tell just how much of his traffic comes from us? Kens articles are the most popular on conservapedia, due in no small part to there popularity here and as a source of ridicule all over the internet. Is there any simple set of steps Andy could theoretically go through in order to see what the anchor text leading to his site is? Thanks. --Opcn (talk) 03:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd be extremely surprised if Andy ever looked at the server logs for Conservapedia. Someone here got server blocked during that push to 100m for July 4th last year, which would have entailed viewing the logs, but I really don't think Andy's the one who did it since he's so far deferred to the webmaster for anything under the hood. In any event, they're real easy to read. The first entry will be the manner in which someone arrived at a particularly page - there will be the google search terms or referring website listed right there. All he'd have to do is open the logs in an editor and search for rationalwiki. Done. More sophisticated analysis might be available from the control panel on his webhost's site showing graphical detail of the number of referring sources. I'll give an internet and 2 trouts you're right that RW is a huge single source of referrals, but we couldn't come close to covering the hits they get. What Trent just said below. ÑR/Señor Admin/¡hablen ustedes! 03:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Sitegrounds uses a program called awstats which prints very nice reports from the server logs (I use their graphing functions all the time to post info here about RW). Andrew has mentioned several times that he checks these reports in the "special discussion group" postings. He even says "most of our traffic is still coming from that site." I think it was the original SDG that was last mentioned. But these reports are available with a push of a button from the cpanel which controls the server management so it would not be hard for Andrew to have that information. There is no doubt in my mind that we dominate his referral traffic. tmtoulouse 03:53, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Wait, we had to work our asses off to get them to 100,000,000 by last July - after the site had been up 3-odd years - andnow just a year later his bragging self is up to 165,000,000? Jeepers, someone is still clickbotting the hell out of that dump. And, oh, yeah, website logs are as easy to read as 2+2=school prayer.00000001. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
1 million page views over a ten day period in July at CP. If RW had just 1%, well you get the picture. I doubt more than 3% of traffic is RationalWikians.--193.200.150.82 (talk) 04:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Page views are a notoriously bad measure for traffic, and the larger the page view counter gets with MW the less accurate it becomes, keeping in mind that page views are also bumped by bot programs as part of practical joke operations. We will never know but I wouldn't be surprised if RW accounted for over 70 percent referral traffic. tmtoulouse 04:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, last year we ran it up something like 20 million in the same time frame. I'm sure some people have left click bots on and all that jazz. We also have to consider that not all of our traffic is referral traffic. I open up my browser and go straight to CP to see what's new, then I swing round rational wiki, and sometimes I'll view 500-600 pages at cp a day. --Opcn (talk) 05:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I just thought about it, I am 3% of that figure for traffic over the last 10 days. --Opcn (talk) 06:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Back in May, I considered trying to clickbot them to 200M pageviews by July 4 2010. They had on the order of 160M pageviews back then; there would have had to be about 40M pageviews over the course of 49 days, or about 820k hits per day, or about 32k hits per hour. Unfortunately, their server will still not sustain more than 22k hits per hour, so it was way too late already. mb 08:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just from looking at the Statistics:Popular pages, you can see that at least one of those has been clickbotted heavily. EddyP (talk) 08:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the most viewed pages used to be a lot better. --Night Jaguar (talk) 08:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
No permission to view that file :/ --Opcn (talk) 08:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Copy the URL and paste it in a new tab. It's just protected against hotlinking, apparently. --Sid (talk) 10:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I think two things are extremely likely to be true:
  • RW is the #1 referrer to CP.
  • Most of CP's traffic is generated by RW.
What's likely not true is this similar, but different statement:
  • Most of CP's traffic has RW as its referrer.
Keep in mind that if you simply browse CP, there is no referrer shown in the logs, so it's hard to determine how much of the overall traffic was caused by RW. Especially the WIGO-focused crowd is bound to click around on CP a lot more than on RW: If I'm looking for WIGO material, I spend maybe a hundred clicks on CP and five on RW. There is no doubt that if all of RW seriously stopped visiting (not like those "boycotts" where everybody still kept going to CP =P), CP's traffic would hit rock bottom. CP only attracts serious numbers of other visitors when Andy pulls a stunt like Lenski or CBP. --Sid (talk) 10:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Who ever is doing the clickbotting (Hitler really?) should switch to gay bowel syndrome, that should be buoyed up to the top again.Opcn (talk) 10:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Dear Pro-Life Gentlemen at a Rather Silly Conservative Blog

I certainly have no problem with your pro-life stance. Just as long a JPratt doesn't take one of his many guns to a clinic, of course. However, I have just one question to ask you fine, upstanding, opinionated gentlemen. Ready?

How many unwanted, or orphaned, children have each of you adopted?

After all, you care so much about the lives of these children, you must want to do something to help them. Right? Or is it easier to preach than to act? I know you won't reply, so I'm guessing (with 95% accuracy, which should impress Andy) that the answer is zero. Which also equals the amount of money you donate towards looking after abandoned children. --PsyGremlinHable! 10:07, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Also please let us know how many of you have donated a kidney. Kalliumtalk 10:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
And how many hospitals have Conservapedians built? Röstigraben (talk) 10:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Their answer on hospitals would include every one of those built by the church, including the liberal likes of anglicans and catholics. Or just every single one of them as Andy would just make those guys conservative. But then Doctors are trained in liberal universities by liberal professors. My... Head... hurts... [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 14:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Andy shooting from the hip

lol Andy... So quick to argue he forgets almost everything!

Andy: "Newton is often seen as one of the most influential men in all of history and perhaps the greatest scientist ever."

Andy: "[Newton is] considered the greatest physicist of all time."

Uh oh, Andy! Liberals! Quick, disagree with them!!!

Andy: "If you find a great British mathematician who ranks with the best in the world, please do tell us who he is!"

Occasionaluse (talk) 15:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Err.. Conservapedia_Talk:What_is_going_on_at_CP?#Really.3F. 15:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
But they didn't have my awesome assfly quotes. Appreciate it or GTFO of the thread. Occasionaluse (talk) 15:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
You could have put your comments in the earlier section, No? and don't be so fucking rude. 15:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
And you could have just kept your fucking mouth shut, No? and you were so fucking polite about it, too. I'm not back 5 minutes and I'm already being reminded why I left. Because sandy-vagina'ed old cunts like you can't pick up on sarcasm. And MB, I like you, but don't fuck around with me. Occasionaluse (talk) 15:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)