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i've been reading his arguments on cp. the more i think about it, the more i think we should just shut up and ignore him. he's obviously a self-satisfied, insane, hateful, bigoted little cockroach. How he can claim to be Christian (i.e. love thy neighbour) and think and say what he does is beyond me. his ego doesn't need any more massaging. though maybe all he needs is to be introduced to some of his older brother's friends... αιρδισΗταλκ 09:00, 28 May 2007 (CDT) good article--PalMD[[User_talk:PalMD| yada] 09:16, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Oh, my, this was just posted on CP!!!PalMD-yada yada 09:30, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Oops, quick word by assfly-licking sysops.09:26, 28 May 2007 (CDT) 09:24, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
hehe Yeah. Lasted all of what? Four seconds?Prof0705 09:25, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
My comment or the article? αιρδισΗταλκ 09:34, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
The article. I had enough time to go grab a drink and then bam! It was gone. Sometimes those fucktards really get under my skin.Prof0705 09:37, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Cool, just wanted to make sure. At least they're *sometimes* efficient fucktards. αιρδισΗταλκ 09:39, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Ah cool. Thanks. I was looking for something to make this look spiffy.Prof0705 09:49, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Has anyone got a diff of where it was posted on CP? This I gotta see! --Kels 15:01, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
I had put it up there under jnl2430, but it only lasted about 4 seconds.Prof0705 15:05, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
18-1-20-9-15-14-1-12-23-9-11-9 rotfl. A bit easy though, couldn't you have rot13'd it as well? humanbe in 18:10, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Hehe. In my defense, I was quite drunk at the time, and I was trying to keep it from getting too complicated. Sides, I never could get that leet speak down.Prof0705 18:22, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

brilliant[edit]

This article is fantastic. I love it! GodlessLiberal 14:54, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Thank you. Feel free to contribute to it, and/or make it more presentable. wiki formats confuse and frighten me.Prof0705 15:05, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

I'd use this clearly effective tactic, but it only works if you have an army of sycophants Sysops with itchy block fingers. --Kels 14:59, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey prof, do ya think it should be in the Conservapedia space? (Conservapedia:Schlafly Reversal) with, of course, a link for the Andrew Schlafly article? On a side note, I have been gathering data to write a "Conservapedia:Schlafly Statistics" article, you know, all those "90% of people who lick Ben Franklin's kite string are also against school prayer" type things. We could do mutual "see alsos" of course. You've got one in your article, and the Schlalfy Statistic seems to me to be a particular kind of Schlafly Buttversal. Nice article, btw. Oh, if you think it should be in the CP space let me know and I'll move it, fix any links and kill the redirect. humanbe in 18:14, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, move it over there. I am tentatively planning some kind of series on the different strategies used by the CPsysopsto refute/debate against non-believers. Unfortuately, most of them typically resort to revert/protect/delete/ban too quick to really pick out any kind of strategy. Feel free to put the see also in there. Prof0705 18:19, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
OK, I will. And one of these days we'll have to do some other more prominent crazy people's tactics (get off my microphone!) in the main space. humanbe in 20:23, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Can one of you wikigeniuses move the Schlafly Rearguard page over here too please? thanks.Prof0705 08:05, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Username Gambit[edit]

The really amazing part of that was that not only did he do the "if that is your REAL name" trick, but he did it well after JohnSmith already told him it was a pseudonym on his talk page! In fact, they had a whole conversation about it, after which, Assfly publically expressed doubt that John was his real name. Utterly amazing, the man's cowardice and dishonesty. --Kels 15:05, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Dear God it was so fucking funny. I almost choked to death on my beer. On another note, I want to eventually write a whole series on the CP sysops and the tactics they use. We need to give each of the most annoyig ones a specific gambit, and write a similar article on it.Prof0705 15:08, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Then allow me to recommend "TK's Distraction" and "RobS' Revison" for starters. --Kels 15:10, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Don't forget TK's "contact me elsewhere so I can quote you out of context" and TK's 3 minute wait for a reply, "no reply, eh? You must concede, then!" gambits.
That's particularly funny when he also criticizes people for waiting more than 24 hours before nudging for a reply, claiming they shouldn't be in such a hurry. --Kels 18:26, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
I was kickin the idea of the "RobS Memory Hole Revision" a useful defense against annoying facts.Prof0705 15:14, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
True, but RobS' big talent is in claiming history that either never happened, or is only held to by one crackpot somewhere. Then you have to refute that particular crackpot before you can claim his point is wrong. --Kels 18:18, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

So, who gets the "hairtrigger Banhammer" named after them? --Gulik 18:17, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Nobody. Too many candidates. ;) But I think Karajou gets the "You attacked the Bible by questioning my third-party source about it!" and "You took actions against Conservapedia by questioning my decision!" gigs. (Gawd, I have to see if I saved those timelines that led to my bans in the "la biblia vs ta biblia" case...) --Sid 18:22, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Karajou has that cop as control freak thing going on. Discussion on a topic is closed when he says it's closed, a la "Tell it to the judge." This wouldn't be so bad if he weren't the "judge" too. ~~ Cracker 20:29, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
I'm working on a Karajou tactic now. Actually, it is more of an schalfalay using Karajou as an attack dog to save his own ass.Prof0705 18:23, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
Come to that, I've been suspecting that TK's official role is trolling, butting into conversations he's not involved in, and often knows nothing about, just to disrupt any criticism of Andy or the other sysops (even Conservative, who he seems to irritate). --Kels 18:29, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Who's the biggest offender with "take it to the article talk page so I don't have to listen to you"? Is that Andy? --Kels 18:26, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Ok, now I actually hate assfly. http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Deceit#Politicization user:PalMD
Only now??? What I liked was looking at that section - we have two demented "partial-caballeros" (fellow travellers?) using those totally whacked-out sig file things that ricewedge started here! humanbe in 21:52, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
PS, we need to get hojimoji back over here. Though he's got some balls going hard up against teh assfly. humanbe in 21:55, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
(He's here!) humanbe in 00:02, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Note how TK is really pushing the public school thing, a total distraction from the actual issue at hand. Pretty transparent stuff. --Kels 22:00, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
*reads the Talk:Deceit section* Oh God... head hurts... room starts spinning... must... talk... like... Shatner... --Sid 06:59, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
Needs more ellipses. =D --Kels 07:30, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
I just read that section. It's a fact that "A substantial percentage of liberals are atheists who doubt anything is morally right or wrong. For them to teach that "deceit is wrong" would be, well, deceitful in itself!".--Aschlafly 23:34, 28 May 2007 (EDT) Assfly is a fucktard. To spew this kind of shit you ust have had a fucked up childhood. Did some big mean Lib'ruls beat the shit out of him and steal his lunch money? Cockblock[1] him when he was trying to pop his cherry? The more I read on that site, the more crackpot it becomes.Prof0705 07:37, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Atheists Always Immoral[edit]

Honestly, the assumption that atheists are automatically amoral is a bizarre foundation to set a worldview on in the first place, and one of the things that really upsets me about a lot of the folks over there. A lot of the others seem to share it, especailly Karajou. I dunno if it's a sincere belief, or some manifestation of pride that demands the assumption that anyone outside your favourite religion is automatically devoid of merit. Overlaying "liberals" onto "atheists" just extends and further twists the concept. --Kels 07:48, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

You know, it kinda reminds me of some of the speeches and talk by Nazis before the party got big. It is a little scary. Imagine is Assfly actualy had some kind of real power and wasn't just some internet child predator. Sweet Christ on a Crutch, can you imagine him as Presient??? I would have to start a revolution. When people like that get power, the only option is to start blowing shit up. *gasp* Oh no....now I'ma terrorist!! Prof0705 08:02, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Im loving this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Deceit#Politicization --PalMD-yada yada 08:50, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorely tempted to advertise CP on every skinhead neo-nazi site I can find. I think I will.Prof0705 08:55, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

There's one thing that strikes me as odd. Schlafly is part of the home-schooling movement, he teaches home-schoolers, his kids must be home-schooled, and most likely, he himself was also home-schooled. So how does he have any idea what happens in the public school system? Has he ever even set foot in a public school? Inquiring minds want to know. --AKjeldsen 09:33, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

That's a good point. He also goes on and on about how public schools don't teach right and wrong. I recall learning about ethics in my engineering courses at my public university (in fact there was a whole section in the EIT Exam about ethics). He's an ass. Jrssr5 09:42, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
I believe in the deceit talk page debate he mentioned that his kids used to go to public schools. Of course how he knows what goes on in them now if his kids no longer go there is a mystery to me. Maybe he is the creepy guy outside the window or on the playground?Prof0705 09:46, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
He also mentioned once how his daughter likes the Red Hot Chili Peppers, she must have snuck their albums into the house. Maybe there's hope for her yet. Jrssr5 09:53, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
Roger's kids go to a school with "two part-time teachers" both of whom are "capable of teaching" and have a "clean criminal record". Such are the criteria I would use to select a school, yessir. --jtltalk 11:26, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
Hmm. Looks like "Hidden Meadow School" is very well hidden indeed, take a look on Google. Looks like Roger's little Schlaflings are attending a pretty obscure institution indeed. --Kels 11:48, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
There's nothing wrong with teachers with a criminal record ... makes class much more fun. "Hmm, if I don't do the homework they might off me." I wish universities would laugh at someone who was homeschooled and tell them to get a real education. Jrssr5 13:52, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
Schlaflings, that's funny. Andy named his little Schlaflings after hisself and his mommy. That's a play so weird even Shakespeare couldn't bring himself to pen it. humanbe in 23:57, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
(<--) Great. Now I've got Tom Lehrer's Oedipus Rex running through my head. --Kels 07:36, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
I remember someone asking the question once, when does a class of 58 homeschoolers stop being homeschooled and become a school? Isn't a more accurate description of his house of hate something like Alternative Lifestyle Schooling? I mean, they're not learning anything that will help them in the future (check out the econ final exam). And is that true that he named his kids after him and his mom? That's scary Jrssr5 08:02, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Whoa whoa whoa there. "alternative lifestyle schooling" Sounds a litle gay don't you think? I seriously doubt that assfly would call it that. Hmm..lets start always calling it that. Prof0705 08:05, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Looks like user rights at CP have been limited again[edit]

(User rights log); 10:24 . . Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) (changed group membership for User:TestAccountbyAschlafly from (none) to Upload)
(User creation log); 10:22 . . TestAccountbyAschlafly (Talk | contribs) (New user)

Looks like you have to have the upload right now to upload files on CP.--TimS 09:28, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Aaaaaand you were correct! Just when you thought that CP couldn't cripple itself even more! --Sid 07:25, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Apparently, as usual, you must ask TK personally to do anything ... but don't worry, he won't comment. Jrssr5 07:45, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
It seems as though the new changes were not discussed by all the sysops, or at the very least, they left out poor TK.
"Should I be checking with Ed Poor about this? I understand it was his idea, but I am having trouble answering people's questions, as I cannot find any information posted about the change. Does he need to give permission? Do editors contact him directly? You? Do I need to ask Ed, or you? Thanks!" --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 04:04, 30 May 2007 (EDT) Lifted from Aschafly's talk page. TK seems kinda pissed.Prof0705 08:38, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
TK is actually among the few who still can upload since uploads are limited to sysops and "Upload" members. And yes, he is pissed. And for once, I actually think he has a right to be somewhat irritated since it's a fairly massive and unannounced(?) change that mostly rains on the parade of innocent editors... who in turn throw a fit in the face of uninformed sysops like him. --Sid 08:42, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Snip from CP:

[...]Even though this image uploading block will not stop all the vandals, it will remove one of their favorite tactics. Crocoite Talk Support my RfA) 09:28, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

A good thought, but it completely forgets that it's easy for vandals to switch tactics. It's kinda like terrorism on airplanes: The TSA is eager to stop specific plots (like shoe bombs, liquid bombs), but once the other side makes a minor change to their method, millions have been spent for nothing. This is a classic case of "Thank you for taking away freedom in the name of security!". I bet they're already working on an "Only users in the Editor group are allowed to edit articles - the rest only may edit talk pages" plan.
And heck - the potential for vandalism is endless. And somehow, Wikipedia gets along without crippling user rights. Gosh, I wonder how... --Sid 09:37, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Who was it that tried to point out that running around, waving your arms and abusing your editor base wasn't the best way to stop vandalism? I recall they got shouted down and essentially called a "terrorist lover", although I'm not sure if it got them banned. --Kels 10:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
I pointed that out several times, but every time was told it was a bad idea and asked why I was defending vandals. Jrssr5 11:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Well there you go. You broke from the herd mentality. Shh..it's ok. Have some candy.Pipebomb of Truth It has nougat......Prof0705 11:09, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Absolutely correct[edit]

Damn right! His lacky, [TerryH]] adopts similar tactics based on an opposition to logic and reason. The Anti-Conservapedia 04:00, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

Laws[edit]

Tis a pity that this wasn't developed into some sort of internet law. Otherwise it would have received fame in the Daily Telegraph article. Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 18:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Real inventor[edit]

Actually, the Schlafly Reversal wasn't invented by ASchlafly, so I think it's unlikely it will ever develop into a Schlafly Reversal notion. The Communists were like that in the early 20th century, claiming:

That's a bourgeoisi notion, we won't discuss bourgeoisi notions,

I think Karl Popper put the light on this kind of behavior and other ones, making the "Marxist theory" unfalsifiable, according to Popper's opinion.

So ASchlafly only carries the honor of continuing a communist tradition. Rursus dixit (yada³!) 09:14, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

by his own logic[edit]

Doesn't the last bit of the article confirm that Aschlaffly must be a liberal as he insists on having the last word? --5.146.47.75 (talk) 06:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)