RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Cotton ceiling

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1. There's not really much of value here, no indication that this is even a remotely common phrase, and what little useful information is here seems easily merged into various sections of Transmisogyny. It's not even well written either, the TERF paragraph and Reddit thing is well-nigh impenetrable. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
2. The page is filled with things like "the hateful belief" and other weird statements. Also does not seem particularly interesting.--JorisEnter (talk) 19:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
3. Delete the article, remove the drama and probably add the remaining two sentences to Transmisogyny or something.--Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 19:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC) 19:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
4. Hard to understand, has strange statements. KOMF 20:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
5. Terrible. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
6. The sole reference does not include the phrase "cotton ceiling". Anything coherent in this mess, which appears to have been written in anger, can go into the TERF, Trans-panic etc articles. Flannan Isle (talk) 21:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

   The article is really bad, but this is a concept that doesn't fit well in most of the trans related articles. We don't have a trans panic article btw.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 22:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC) 22:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

7. For mostly the same reasons I don't judge actual transgender people, I'm not willing to judge people who find them unappealing, either. There's something creepy about the underlying concept, which seems to say that people have a right to the sexual attention of others unwilling to give it. - Smerdis of Tlön, ^{LOAD "*", 8, 1.} 03:22, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

   From what I understand the cotton seiling is more about how trans people are denied access to the higher ecehlons of soceity then not wanting to have a romantic or sexual relationship with them.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 02:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC) 02:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

   That may be, but it doesn't seem to be what the current text is about: a limitation imposed by transphobic cis lesbians who refuse to date or have sex with lesbian transwomen under the hateful belief that they're really men. It also applies to men that refuse to have sex with transwomen once they find out they have penises. - Smerdis of Tlön, ^{LOAD "*", 8, 1.} 15:08, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Keep

1. Horribly written but may be converted into a missional article at some time Pizzameister (talk) 19:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
2. Expand it and mention the glass ceiling.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 20:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC) 20:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
3. It's about an actual thing, just needs moar - David Gerard (talk) 21:49, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Goat

• Honestly, I think this article is as simplistic about sexual orientation as the gender binary is about gender. Different people are attracted to different things. For some people their partner having a dick (or not) is a non-issue, for some it's a deal-breaker. Arbitrarily labeling all of the latter as transphobic is unhelpful to anyone. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 20:14, 3 April 42016 AQD (UTC)

  +1 --Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 20:27, 3 April 2016 (UTC) 20:27, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

• Certainly doesn't help the wiki or our mission. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 17:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)