Talk:A Storehouse of Knowledge

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That small "a" (aSK) is driving me crazy and I whined at PJR over there about it. They always capitalize A Storehouse... when they write it. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:46, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

I rather like the little-a. It's catchy.--WJThomas 07:35, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
To the eye, perhaps, but it suck to type aSK vs. ASK. Actually, to me, it looks rather juvenile and not very Biblical at all. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:01, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

The "Differences with Rationalwiki" section doesn't really seem to have much to say... ħumanUser talk:Human 18:53, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Is "differences with" even tolerable grammar? I cringe every time I see it. Surely it should be "differences from". WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:58, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
Or "between". It would also make more sense to compare them to WP & CP, since we aren't a 'pedia anyway. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:06, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

What are we all doing on aSK[edit]

I'm one of those who respects PJR as a decent human being, even if I find some of his opinions abhorrent. I'm also one of the many RW members who have signed up on aSK and, quite frankly, I'm beginning to wonder what we're all doing. There appear to be a number of positions:-

  1. There are those, User:human being a notable example, who have created an account to prevent imposters using their user name.
  2. There are those, User:gulik being an example, who seems to want to point out the inconsistencies in the YEC, Biblical inerrancy position and are therefore counter to the stated aims of the site.
  3. And then there are those, like me, who are somewhere in the middle.

I, personally, could never conform to PJR's worldview and there are those, possibly PJR included, who would say that, as such, I have no place on aSK.

So, what are we doing there? Silver Sloth 06:54, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

There's a certain pleasure in contributing to a wiki, making one's mark on a project. While I don't share the desire to create a Bible-friendly website, nor do I necessarily object to the notion. Certainly there's plenty to do without wading into the more contentious areas of the site, but if one does want to do battle with The Other Side, I suspect there will be plenty to do there, too, whilst still staying within the stated bounds of aSK.--WJThomas 07:35, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Consider this: Branches of science you have to ignore to believe in Young Earth Creationism. In the end, how much can you write for such a wiki?--Bobbing up 08:08, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
I enjoy creationism as a sort of genre of science fiction or even role playing. I'm perfectly capable of working inside the creationist framework. You have to reject a lot, yes, but that's some of the fun...I don't think you hear civil war actors bitching about not being able to use Uzis. Neveruse513 09:09, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Each to their own I suppose. But torturing reality in such a way that it fits the YEC viewpoint lacks appeal for me.--Bobbing up 09:33, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
As I have said elsewhere, I think that PJR is one of the more dangerous people on the web, but this can only make him less so. While he was at CP he appeared to be almost voice of reason when compared with the loonies around him. Now that he is the arbiter of content, I think that his true battyness will shine out like a beacon to expose its true nature. All hail the High Priest of Anti-Science: Go for it Phil! (Oh yes- the section header: What am I doing there? eff all!)ToastToastand marmite 10:46, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Me, I'm not doing anything. I really, really can't be arsed to start following another wiki. I couldn't give a damn. Fighting one nutjob wiki is enough for me, and as it is, that's turned into something I spend WAY too much time on. I'm not doing it again, and no matter what you think of him, PJR just isn't as....unpleasant, or as batshit insane as Andy. So I feel inclined to leave him be - I'm never going to change his mind or the minds of his fellow travelers. Ooops, I used a conservative term. So I just registered to occupy my username over there, nothing else. DogP 11:11, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
I want to go until the real censorship starts. PJR is eventually going to have to censor valid Christian viewpoints if he intends to keep the site up to his established standards of Biblical interpretation. There is nothing I love more than one nutcase telling another nutcase that his conception of the transparent skypimp is wrong...especially when I'm one of those nutcases. Neveruse513 11:19, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Just because you respect a person (and would therefore not troll, vandalize, etc) doen't mean you can't contribute challenges to the project. that is, if he writes something factually inaccurate as science knows it, he should be called on it. Not edited, necessarily, but it should be pointed out on Talk pages. ---Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 11:26, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
I'm just commenting on things and trying to weasel the source code of the Guard Dog out of PJR. Stupid harmonic Hoover! 15:04, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
I'm not fully sure yet, but it's nice to be able to discuss things there without the constant threat of instabans. Philip does welcome discussion in theory, and I think he means it - as long as one does not Darwinify or Evolutionize teh snartikles themselves, one is welcome to stick around. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:45, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm not sure my interest is great enough to last. It is fun being on a new wiki. Old wikis have their scars and unique character and all, but there is something fun about infancy. CP was fun in its own way in the young days--easy to type in stuff about cheese and bridges and the evolution of cp:electric fish with no one noticing. But the YEC stuff concerns me, especially after my interactions with PJR on dinosaur back before we all got banned. Sterilewalkie-talkie 22:42, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm making sure he's on his toes, not acting like assfly, and not comparing me to Neb. --<choose>

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Style Guide[edit]

what I find very odd is the statement in the style guide that "Information about origins—both creationary and evolutionary views—is not to be included in articles about empirical science (biology, geology, etc.) nor in articles about living things (birds, fish, etc.) unless there is a special reason to do so" This neatly avoids a lot of argument but seems to be contrary to a strict Biblical viewpoint. Is PJR really trying to have it both ways ? 12:42, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Where's yer Baraminology now, PJ? ToastToastand marmite 12:51, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Can't be done. It's very difficult to talk about biology without implicitly accepting an evolutionary standpoint. And I'd say it's impossible to talk about geology without acknowledging the real age of the earth.--Bobbing up 13:12, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Hard, but possible. It restricts the editing to being "descriptive" - ie, "The Rocky Mountains are a range in western North America, ranging up to xx,xxx feet/metres in height. Some famous ski resorts are there...". "The duck is an aquatic bird, sometimes used to adorn bathtubs". You get the picture. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:01, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
OK. You could do that. How would you go about describing geological eras? Ice ages? Continental drift?--Bobbing up 17:01, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Ice ages are Intelligent Refrigerations. Continental Drift is Intelligent Quaking. Wait, not what you were looking for? --Irrational Atheist 17:03, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Distant past, recent past and NOW ! after all only 6,000 years to consider. Ice age (1) caused by FLOOD and continental drift is FLOOD GEOLOGY - its all SCIENCE 19:08, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Sort of, yeah. Essentially it means no deep "back story", since the back story on ASK is explicitly goddidit as told in Genesis, 6-10 kYa - or more recently. Any field of "science" which cannot exist without contradicting that back story will be shown to be "not science". ħumanUser talk:Human 20:42, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
The real question is if "creation science" is an "empirical science." Sterilewalkie-talkie 22:44, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
No, it's not. It's works backwards from assumptions to editing the observations. But we knew that already. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

This is probably from the KendeM parodist posting the usual silly stuff on their kangaroo article - he got called out on the talk page and PJR decided that origins debates could wait until ASK was fully operational. I guess he's got his hands full enough without getting bogged down in arguments. Totnesmartin 09:02, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Actually the approach was decided before the site was even launched.Tricksy 00:09, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
How many times has PJR described the difference between operational science and origins science? The style guide (and now the regs) basically says stick to the operational unless the specific topic gives reason to include origins information. It's not a delay tactic or an avoidance. It's in keeping with being a general encyclopaedia, rather than one big polemic. How many of you complained about CP articles having unneccesary conservative polemic? Why complain now about the lack of unnecessary polemic? Tricksy 23:07, 31 March 2009 (EDT)


Clearly this person is (trying to appear to be) loyal to CP. Too literate to be Andy or Kenny, somewhat confrontational. Kara? TK? Dean? I'd vote TK, because there appears to be some attempts to throw out false identity clues, and because I always suspect TK of everything nefarious.--WJThomas 08:36, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Augustine was one of the first users to be made a member, so (s)he must be someone Philip knows and trusts. Probably not TK then.-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 08:54, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Meh, I thought it was the "real" Ken - there is some similar style, but it is altered for the wiki. Then again, it could be TK. I forget now who I left off thinking it was last night. Wait for a bullet on a talk page? ħumanUser talk:Human 15:50, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Augie is quite literate, well-spoken, and doesn't make multiple edits per entry, so I'd be shocked if it were Andy or Ken. There's a decided whiff of bully-swagger which makes me think TK. Then there's the "PJR is a close personal friend of mine" post on his user page, which sounds a lot like TK's "Andy said so--trust me..." thing. And this exhange has a lot of TK attitude in it.--WJThomas 18:32, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
I notice a decided attitude, even arrogance, in this comment as well, interestingly enough. Taking advantage of PJR's earlier comment he would be busy this weekend? --Kels 19:54, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Thinking about it, I bet it's someone we have never heard of. There's plenty of authoritarianism to go around, especially in those paternalistic religious traditions. Augie may well be a good friend of Philip's (IRL or net), brought on board to build some critical mass? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:40, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Certainly possible, but this person's devotion to the Conservapedia article makes me think he/she/it is a CPedian. I'm starting to lean towards Dean or Kara, though.--WJThomas 08:03, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
I think it is safe to say that it is the artist formerly known as Learn Together... Fox 10:06, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
Whoever he is, Augustine is a rude little shit, isn't he? --Kels 10:25, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
I will always remember his reverts to my Passover article, demanding more references because it opposed his opinion; duly provided, the veritable truckload of references was dismissed because none of them were first hand written accounts from the first century!! "You should know better Fox. Opinion without reference made towards a different group will not be viewed as fact on Conservapedia. The sources you had shown didn't give a single work from the time period to verify their claims. Please don't deflect from that basic truth." I know a few people here thought he was reasonable, but that could have come straight from the Schlafly quote generator... Fox 10:31, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
My memory's a little fuzzy on the guy, but didn't he start out a lot nicer, but at some point start to veer heavily into the TK/Andy school of debating? He certainly seems to be retaining some traits over at aSK. --Kels 11:17, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
I don't recall much about LT, but that Augie character certainly seems to have gone the same finishing school as TeamKiller. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:57, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

And now, Augie is a "Senior Member"...

Seriously, how can this guy not be a troll? --Kels 18:58, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

members all have banhammers ?[edit]

Is having all members with ban powers a good or bad thing ? it seems you start as a non-member but can get promoted after a month if you behave. 19:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm curious why you are asking here, on RW, instead of on ASK. I mean, how they run their wiki is really their business, isn't it?--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 19:32, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Especially here!! with 265 janitors RW is a shining example of the argument that teh largely defensive weapon of ban axually makes for a safer wiki. 10:58, 28 March 2009 (EDT) CЯacke®

Sources - um are these Encyclopedic ?[edit]

In a number of articles the sources seem a bit off mainstreet . and , they are funny though. 20:50, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Philip still hasn't defined what he means by biblical worldview. Some people have a very different interpretation of what that means. Ed "I have been writing neutral articles" Poor seems to find every chance to mention the moonies. - User \scriptstyle h/2\hbar 20:53, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Ed's a real piece of work[edit]

Actually, Ed's a right little shit, that's what he is. The fact that he can say that with a (presumably) straight face after being complicit in so much at CP, plus constant POV pushing and abuse of power at WP before that, it's stunning. I wonder sometimes if it's possible for him to be honest. --Kels 00:55, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

I had to add my €0.02 larronsicut fur in nocte 03:49, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
What a pity! PJR closed the discussion. Well, understandable from his point of view. larronsicut fur in nocte 10:47, 29 March 2009 (EDT)


Biblical literalist, really. He complains about WP's lack of neutrality, but then goes on to label his literal interpretation of the Bible as "the" biblical viewpoint, dismissing a large chunk of Christianity who wouldn't consider themselves less "biblical", even though they don't take the bible literally. Doesn't strike me as particularly fair or intellectually honest either. --This user is Crowing Rabidly! 08:04, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

I mentioned it in a brief comment about the main page on ToP's talk page (there). Bradley F copied it to talk:main, so at least it's being discussed. I should go see if anyone replied to my last comments... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:08, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

RW and ASK[edit]

I noticed that RationalWikians are a bit warmer to ASK then Conservapedia. Mabye it's because ASK isn't run like a police state. Of course, most of the actions ow the RWians on ASK consist of prodding debate.--Ipatrol 22:40, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

We like debate. We have a whole space called debate. We have more content on out talkpages than the articles. It is the way we roll. - User \scriptstyle h/2\hbar 00:05, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
And so far, PJY has not stifled debate. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:10, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
the number of RW members editing at ASK has dropped since the crashes in Jan-Feb 2010. The number is now very close to , well, 0. Hamster (talk) 05:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


I removed that part from the article. IIRC, I tested this issue during week one, and it gave me the "You don't have Upload rights!" error message when I actually tried to overwrite an image. However, I'm working from memory here, so if one of our resident non-Members could doublecheck it (With something harmless, just in case I was wrong!), that would be nice. --Sid 13:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

"It's difficult to know whether PJR knows he is a liar or truly believes in the positions he advocates."[edit]

Whoever wrote that nonsense needs to learn some basic english and some basic logic. One cannot unkowingly lie; particlualry one cannot truly believe in a position that they advocate and said to be a liar for advocating it. Then agian "never let the truth..."

It's a wiki, dude. Edit mercilessly. Šţěŗĭļė pool table 01:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
No lube for you! --Kels (talk) 01:05, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I added that. I can't think of my rationale. I think it was whether he was self-deceived or not. Could have been written better. But he's a liar and he knows it. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 01:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I know your rationale. You just had an argument with PJR and you, like most people who have tried to hammer a point through his skull, could not believe that someone so seemingly intelligent could hold such a stupid position. A position that could only be held through extreme ignorance, but that can't be the case because he knows already what you are telling him. So either he actually believes his position despite the evidence and is simple deluding himself or he is trying to maintain this position due to alliterative motives and so is purposefully lying. That sound about right? - π 01:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
That sounds about right. I'm mystified by his tenacity to this day. Apparently nobody but him knows how to make a good point. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 01:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Thing is, he's so taken by that whole "we use the same evidence" that he continually tries to force the evidence to fit, without even realizing that he's rejecting huge chunks in the process. It's not even that he fails to understand, but aggressively pushes a twisted understanding. --Kels (talk) 01:54, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. "Liar" and "evidence" have some uniquely RatWiki meaning.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Correct. Here, "liar" is someone who says things that aren't true, and "evidence" is stuff you can prove. Very different from how they're used at the CMI fan club aSK, which is of course the correct way. --Kels (talk) 23:18, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming that by providing definitions that are wrong by way of being incomplete (the first) and just plain wrong (the second). Proving evidence! The closest concept that matches that definition is "pesudoscience".— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
We do have the {{tq|}} template, you know. yummy Toast&  honey(or marmalade) 00:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC)PS why not sign?
Isn't "Creationism" a combination of "liar" and "pseudoscience" anyhow? We're half way there! --Kels (talk) 00:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Anagrams of creationism include "tinier comas", "an eroticism", "it is romance", and "I scream into." [1] What fun! Šţěŗĭļė pool table 03:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC) PS I could argue for dishonest instead of liar, but eh, I'm tired of hair splitters. Šţěŗĭļė pool table 03:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC) PPS Are you getting bored, Bradley? Šţěŗĭļė pool table 03:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Not bored. The sheer ridiculous nonsense at this fundamentally dishonest site sometimes overcomes my ability to shrug it of as a collective cognitive aberration, & I fel the need to comment. (talk) 03:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Phil thinks he has "won" over any user who got bored and wandered off and now just makes jokes of his inane positions instead of giving him arguments he can claim are fallacies. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Social consequences of evolution[edit]

Don't suppose anyone would care to do either a SBS of Phil's rant or alternatively a [[Social consequences of religion/Christianity/Biblical inerrancy]]? 15:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

The SBS is at Social consequences of evolution if you want to go at it. Most of it is just the usual bullshit about how "all these bad things are because of evolution therefore evolution is false", but it might be worth to have a rebuttal to this specific article rant anyway. If not, delete it. -- Nx / talk 17:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Wow, what a massively hypocritical pile of shit. This is particulary stupid: "In Western societies, Christianity was the dominant religion for most of the past 2000 years, and as a result, these societies generally enjoyed great prosperity, technological advancement, and human rights". The stats and history books say otherwise Phil. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 15:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I do like how in the talk page he's taken it on himself to be the great defender of slavery. Even a watered-down version of slavery is still unacceptable, of course, and minimizing the version that was present in Biblical days doesn't make it any more so. It just makes the one minimizing look like a tool. --Kels (talk) 16:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Digdeeper.gif Keep digging Philip. -- Nx / talk 17:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
If it hadn't been for Islam during the middle ages we probably wouldn't be where we are now. Silly twit (talk) 18:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Unjustified statement[edit]

Article now says:

Apparently, in the process of making an "encyclopedia", at least one editor uses the RationalWiki page at ASK as a place to write his grudges, very much on limited information.

How do I base what I write on "limited information"? What information am I lacking? (((Zack Martin))) 06:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You joined the Wiki fairly recently, for starters. Even I am a newcomer as far as some of these old traditions and in-jokes are concerned (the origin of the goat jokes, for example, was before my time). Also, you are seeing it from the perspective of an outsider who came here with your own aim in mind, rather than a more typical editor or a person who just reads the Wiki's articles. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 06:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Seems rather like the Courtier's Replyyou haven't been here long enough, you couldn't possibly begin to understand (((Zack Martin))) 06:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I was explaining how your information is limited, not remarking upon the validity of conclusions drawn. But that sort of thing can be a problem; I, for example, have a blinkered view of Occasionaluse's activity on the Wiki, because I disproportionately notice those posts where he pursues his self-declared vendetta against me. Similarly, I doubt that if you had been here during UncleHo's flourishing period, you would have asked him the questions you did. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 07:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I think there's a distinction between:
  1. You said X, but X is wrong, because you haven't considered information Y which clearly demonstrates that (maybe you are not aware of Y due to reasons Z)
  2. You said X, but X is wrong, because you don't have the full information due to reasons Z
Do you see why the first may well be valid but the second is fallacious as stated? What we have here is (2), not (1). (((Zack Martin))) 07:30, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I said, I was explaining how your information is limited, not remarking upon the validity of conclusions drawn. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 07:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

(OD) First, thanks for correcting my spelling. I actually spotted that is wrong just as I hit "save". I hope your reversion is not simply due to my sloppy typing :) My reversion was because a) the statement is actually untrue, b) even if it was true it's a bit on the nose to complain about a single article exhibiting a grudge against an entire grudge-site and iii) it's more like a wigo snark than article content. LowKey (talk) 08:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, although as Maratrean said, there is a distinction between philosophically-motivated differences (on which most of our grudges are based) and personal differences. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 21:09, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


Currently wandalising their "Biblical Creation" page.--Toasterstrudel64 (talk) 23:07, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

You're pretty awesome. AceModerator 23:14, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Sarcasm or serious?--Toasterstrudel64 (talk) 23:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
dude im so jealous of you!--il'Dictator Mikal 23:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Definitely sarcasm.--Toasterstrudel64 (talk) 23:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
"We do not condone vandalism of other wikis, and most of us feel quite strongly on that point." ТyrannisPlead 00:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Toasterstrudel64, do you not have better things to do, like composing an ode to the lump of green putty in your armpit? Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 00:16, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I apologise for what I have done; I was not aware of this sites position. Oh, and ListenerX, wondeful reference to the Vogons.--Toasterstrudel64 (talk) 01:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

No, the Vogons only wrote the third worst poetry in the universe; that was an example of the second worst. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 03:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Move to WIGO:ASK? sterileevolutionist story telling 05:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

redo links[edit]

See here. The WIGO page is probably a mess as well. Some bot person could do this maybe?? sterilesporadic heavy hitter 11:08, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Page yes. DGAF about the WIGO. ТyBored 11:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Maybe someone should just teach him how to use mod_rewrite, then the links can stay as they are? (talk) 11:12, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I checked a couple of links from WIGO and they seem to work ok. That said, given that ASoK is essentially dead, it's really not worth the effort of updating it if they do break. --PsyGremlinPrata! 11:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
CP has been dead for years and yet some people are still obsessed with it. sterilesporadic heavy hitter 11:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
God will smite you for that! --PsyGremlinSnakk! 11:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
what sterile said. Fucking kill it already. ТyBored 11:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Phil wakes up[edit]

I see phil's woken up on WP again. Not checked, can't be arsed to look at his silly site, but have "contributions" to ask dropped to trigger even his boredom threshold? Scream!! (talk) 13:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

500 edits in the last 30 days or so at ASK, nobody but Phillip/spambots in over a week. ТyBother me 13:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Awc finally let it go, Hamster, Aspie and I haven't been there for a bit, Colonel S. is a transient, haven't seen Bradley in ages. sterilesporadic heavy hitter 15:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Wow. Philip can't get suckers to bother with him on his own website anymore so he goes and stirs the same old shit at WP. Awc tentatively entered the discussion, but I gather backed away slowly when he saw that Philip was up to his typical pattern of fisking and lies. Holy holy shitsnacks - walls of text so dense and filled with bullshit like explain everything anyone woud ever need to know about Philip to avoid him like the plague. There's no reason to bother with someone like this when it takes far long to refute his nonsense, and even then he only doubles down more nastily, and refuses to admit he's ever wrong about creationism.

12:50, 22 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+26,462)‎ . . User talk:Philip J. Rayment/Discussion with BRPierce ‎ (→‎Part 2: The onus is on you to support your claims, not on me to refute them; What "god" are you talking about if you don't need the Bible as a source of information?) : 14:15, 31 October 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+38,989)‎ User talk:Philip J. Rayment/Discussion with BRPierce ‎ (→‎Part 3: Still not explaining the basis of your faith.)

I pity this fool BRPierce for jumping down the rabbit hole. He at least had the good sense to disengage. 40k walls of text filled with fisking! Madness! Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

At least the quoted text isn't green. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 19:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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3/19/13: 119k wall of text = lonesome Phil

aSK is totally dead, yes?[edit]

I'm getting a "403", and I assume that's it, it's done. Should we change this article to past tense? — Unsigned, by: TheLateGatsby / talk / contribs 19:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

No, that's not what 403 means. You'll see a 404 when it's gone for good. He probably didn't pay his bill. He's so prideful that he managed to alienate everyone at 4 wikis. I seriously doubt that he's capable of admitting defeat and shutting aSK down when it couldn't cost more than $10 a month to keep it going. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:39, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I believe you mean 10 dollarydoos. --Edgerunner76, B.A.H. 13:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
It's easy to be coy about it coming from God's Own Christian Nation, but their dollar is doing pretty well for them being stubborn simpletons in a horrible place. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 13:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, then. Then so long as it's "403", we have to assume it will come back? --TheLateGatsby (The end of the dock ) 19:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Ya. It's still there, just behind a wall. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 00:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
TEAR DOWN THAT WALL, ROUX. TEAR IT DOWN. (He's back....) Sterilesig.svgtalk 11:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
If I could take credit for anything I'd wish it to be that CMI's name is made more prominent on aSK in order to show what kind of piffle a zealot perfectly in line with company dogma spouts. aSK is a boon to anti-creationism. It's a real shame it doesn't come up very high on Google searches for any relevant topic. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 13:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Of Phillip's legendary pride, I still dream of getting him an audience with some major christian figureheads. We could unify the church if the leaders of denominations would listen to Phillip tell them how they're all wrong. Occasionaluse (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I just hope that PJR keeps it going until Aug 5, 2013... --larron (talk) 15:24, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 16:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

back to the living[edit]

Main Page Here.Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 17:16, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Living how? No activity in two days, no mainspace edits in a week (although admittedly it's a new article). SophieWilderModerator 20:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
It was down for a little bit a while ago, but largely considered dormant but operational. Unless you call dealing with spammers and a largely one-person wiki operation a vibrant wiki community. Sterilesig.svgtalk 20:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
17 recent changes this month. Not vibrant, but not dead. Looks like Bart Simpson's made PJR the new Moe. Btw, what's with the strike out of Ace's name?Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 22:31, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Philip is such a control freak that he can't handle just reverting things he doesn't like — he's also got to strike anything reflective of their content from the logs. It looks like some asshole impersonating that asshole vandalized that other asshole's site. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 00:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Phil always struck out/oversighted anything obscene, whether language or images. Not really new behaviour. --Kels (talk) 22:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


One entry in last 30 days. When's the wake? Scream!! (talk) 22:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

thats not DEAD, just a touch slow ;-) Hamster (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
He hasn't "refuted" your bogus alarmist nonsense or restored the pages AWC edited to their pristine state of Raymentness. Maybe he lost interest. Nutty Roux (talk) 17:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
In fact, he hasn't blown any of your lazy fallacies out of the water since mid October. It's at least a nice respite for all of us who can't avert our gazes from a train wreck that's been happening for more than 5 years. Nutty Roux (talk) 17:47, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
ASK is the world's slowest trainwreck. |₹Λ¥$€₦₦ Red rose 02.svg I'm the coolest driver's high 18:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I rather hope none of you go over there and rekindle the fire. Sterile (talk) 18:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
AWC edited ASoK ! it was excusable. Maybe a banned editor created a new account, who can say for sure, but banned anyway. The tumbleweeds need quiet ! Hamster (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

ASK is officially dead.[edit]

I just tried to visit them via an old link. That was busted. There have been zeros edits over there in over thirty days (including zero bots active). And Philip's last edit was last July Fare thee well ASK, and good riddance. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Who knew that authoritarianism and wikis go badly together. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)