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Redirecting[edit]
Redirecting this to a single nation-state, no matter that the Saudi state now encompasses the region where the idea of Arab identity first emerged (the idea of "Saudi Arabia" as a nation-state would be meaningless to the people who were around when "Arab" identity came into being...), is straight-up wrong, as bad a mistake as redirecting "Black" to "Africa" or "African-American" or redirecting "European" to "Germany." People from Morocco clear through to Oman and from Sudan to Syria, identify, or are identified, as "Arabs" in some contexts. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 04:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Amen. why didn't you change it?
GodotAround, around, around, around, over, and under and through 04:08, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- 'cuz it was Lx and he will prolly promote me and checkuser me for edit-warring with him. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 04:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Why does the Arab page redirect to Racialism?[edit]
Its kinda weird. Is there a reason for it? BeardOfZeus (talk) 03:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
India[edit]
There are only 54k Arabs in India. Can you demonstrate any specific systemic oppression of the Arab community in India that is rooted in Arabophobia specifically and not broader Islamophobia, @Rational Dude? Carthage (talk) 20:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- There doesn't have to be systemic oppression of Arabs in India, there is still racism regardless (like racism against Black Africans in Egypt). Rational Dude (talk) 09:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- the whole discrimination section conflates islamophobia and arabophobia with each other. you cannot describe more general examples of islamophobia as arabophobia merely because some of muslims targeted are arabic. if other groups suffer the same prejudice along side arabs then its not anything arabic thats the motivating factor. the opening example given spanish muslims during the inquisition was not arabophobia because it included because spanish muslims included many arabs - they included just as many berber and indigenous spanish - it was arabophobic because the arabic language and arabic culture was outlawed and used as a means of identifying moriscos. while we doing history, the reconquista started in the 8th - way earlier than than the inquistion, and im pretty sure there would have a whole of anti arab sentiment during the early muslim conquests, and the arab world was experiencing colonialism via ottoman rule way before the west fucked them over when ww1 ended. the history should have provided some context, but we skipped straight to 9/11 so it didnt.
- the section that claims in 'most european countries' arabs are persecuted by white christians conflates anti islam with anti arab and it simply is not true. the supporting reference does not support this idea. the cited article describes a rise of islamophobia across europe. it refers almost exclusively to muslims. prejudice against arabs is mentioned only once when the article takes two european countries - germany and poland - as examples, going on to say that arabs are the most disliked ethnicity in poland. the article says that germany welcomed thousands of syrian refugees while poland reused any, but polls in both countries indicate similarly high levels islamophobia. it is true to say most european countries have a fair bit of islamophobia. it is false to say most european countries persecute arabs. if we want to talk about anti arab racism there are plenty of examples to be had in europe. france would be the go to example arabophobia specifically is rampant and not just broader islamophobia. a result of immigration from its former colonies. maybe spain and italy has some anti arab sentiment resulting from the syrian refugee crisis. but not everywhere in europe. different countries have different demographic, different levels of immigration from different places. who europeans see as muslims is different. in the uk, people would likely see muslims as from pakistani communities before other ethnicities. also, if its only arab muslims that hate groups have a problem with, and they dont care about arab christians, doesnt that mean its the muslim part not the arab part that is the issue?
- which brings me to the other glaring problem with the discrimination section. the idea that everyone in the west think all muslims are arab. or that we think all islamic terrorists are arab. that must be true because this article thinks that. but actually the 7/7 bombers were not arab. they were british asians of pakistani descent. and a jamaican born convert. much islamic terrorism post 9/11 was not committed by arabs. attacks in india were mostly not. neither were those in sub saharan africa.
- the bit about mistaking other ethnicities for arabs isnt anything. im sure theres a good many people who think everyone middle eastern is arab - iranian and turkish for example. they are from that part of the world. sure that is cultural ignorance and all, but its pot calling the kettle black here. and the cited article does not in any way have anything to do with racial profiling.
- its very strange that this article doesnt give actual examples of discrimination. its strange that non western examples are just briefly mentioned at the end. especially when israel is one them. theres anti arab racism there too apparently. thats good to know.
- everything in this discrimination section is not just wrong but insulting. AMassiveGay (talk) 23:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- For political reasons (US/Israel support; a certain linked propaganda framing (with a few supporting terrorist incidents) that was particularly prominent in the 1980s and perhaps earlier; and the fervency of certain Christianity here), in the United States, anti-Arab discrimination and Islamaphobia often are historically linked together. That link to support "racial profiling" actually links to a United States analysis. Great, but the United States is not Europe last I checked. Funny that. :p
- I would agree that the anti-Arab section needs to be "quite tuned", as what the section insinuates applies, if anything, mainly to the United States. Islamophobes in European countries tend to have their own "ethnic targets" depending on the dominant Muslim group, and they often are not Arabic. For example, Pakistani for the UK (like London mayor Sadiq Khan, subject to a recent row due to an Islamaphobic Tory MP recently), and Algerian for France. BobJohnson (talk) 00:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@AMassiveGay The section does need reworking, but it was based on the American perspective of Islam as a racialized religion (mostly in the view of Arabs). It’s not insulting nor is it meant to be, I don’t know how you could find it insulting. Don’t be condescending and claim you know better. Rational Dude (talk) 22:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)