Talk:Coffee

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Mission doubt

I take issue with this article. It gives the false impression than any dark, hot drink is coffee. Instead, there are only two true coffee types: Italian espresso and Italian moka. (Editor at) CP:^{no intelligence allowed} 06:41, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Not the stuff they sell to us tourists - that's dishwater.   ^Contribs_Talk 06:46, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I can top that, Ed@CP...

Mission doubt!

:) <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Slime on the beach. Don't step on it!} 06:50, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

DEFINITE Mission doubt! but I'm BORED   ^Contribs_Talk 06:56, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Then cast your eye over recent changes. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Slime on the beach. Don't step on it!} 06:57, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

What was I saying before I was so rudely interrupted?   ^Contribs_Talk 07:36, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

You were rhapsodising over coffee. Then you were saying you were bored. Be careful what you wish for :) <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Slime on the beach. Don't step on it!} 07:45, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Turkish Coffee

Has no one here heard of Turkish Coffee!?! Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 07:44, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I did have something that claimed to be Turkish coffee at an Iranian friend's house some years ago. It needed a spoon and anaesthetic to consume it. Is that the sort of stuff you mean?   ^Contribs_Talk 07:55, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

About right. A far cry from Instant, certainly. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 08:25, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I've heard of Turkish coffee, and Greek coffee and Arabic coffee. All pretty much the same thing. But they sure ain't espresso. As someone who occasionally makes the stuff; you boil the grounds up with some water (and sugar to taste) in a little long handled jug until it's the consistency of mud. Espresso is made with high pressure steam being forced through the grounds. However, bedouin coffee is made from unroasted beans and usually has cardamom pods added. Quite bitter but refreshing in the heat. Genghis^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 10:08, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

That's more like the impression I'd got of Turkish coffee and if they prefer instant then they're making the best of two bad options.   ^Contribs_Talk 10:25, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

A tip for globe-trotters. In Colombia a black coffee is known as a tinto. Don't try asking for this at breakfast in other South American countries; you'll get odd looks as it means red wine elsewhere. Genghis^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 10:57, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Bitter earthy black drink

Damn lib-er-als and their heathen pagan drink. I Do not see where Jesus drank that black goo. FYI, in Lakota, coffee is called "pejahsapa" or Black Medicine, and out in Dakata territory, it's about as thick as mud. --WaitingforGodot 12:17, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

The relevant phrase here is "What would Jesus do?", not "What did Jesus do?" While it's technically correct that Jesus is not positively known to ever have drunk coffee, I'm certain that he would have done so had he had the opportunity. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 12:39, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Ah, but as all Good Christians ^TM know, it's "would" when it's something a Good Chrsitian wants to do, but "did" when it's something a Icky, Yucky, Pagan, witch, harry Potter loving SINNER wants to do. ;-)--WaitingforGodot 12:55, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Of course, but I can't imagine why any Good Christian wouldn't want to drink coffee. If not, I'd have doubts whether he or she is in fact a Good Christian. After all, it's what Jesus would do. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 13:16, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

I would be inclined to use it as a test of species: If it doesn't like coffee then it's not Hom Sap!   ^Contribs_Talk 13:20, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Hum, so there is a superior species on the planet? Those of us who like our wine and chocolate?--WaitingforGodot 14:54, 25 July 2008 (EDT) HEY! there is too a chocolate page, I wrote it. Pouts! --WaitingforGodot 14:55, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Fear not. _{↳ ↑ ⇨ ↕ ▽ ←} 14:57, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, I see, it's hiding in "fun". Now to go out and make a Whine.--WaitingforGodot 14:59, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

I think there's an alcohol somewhere.   ^Contribs_Talk 15:08, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

We have Fun:Wine. _{↳ ↑ ⇨ ↕ ▽ ←} 15:09, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Now for the project of the day, find the references to "wine" and correct them to "fun:wine". Question: are redirects used for things that are in the "fun" page? or is it just generally assumed people will find them?--WaitingforGodot 15:13, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. The Funspace is a little bit ad hoc. Ideally, I think they should be linked directly from whatever articles reference them, with no redirects at all. _{↳ ↑ ⇨ ↕ ▽ ←} 15:15, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

I object to this article. There's no link to caffeine. How can that be? Sterile^snore! 17:30, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Because if Caffeine is mentioned, someone's bound to bring up decaff which is ANATHEMA.   ^Contribs_Talk 17:44, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Not as bad as instant coffee. Which has been banned in Jellyville. Fact. ~ Gloom_{(is never asleep)} 17:55, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

The badlyness of both is immmmmense.   ^Contribs_Talk 17:58, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeth. I would like to induct grapefruit and low-fat milk into this shortlist, also. ~ Gloom_{(is never asleep)} 18:03, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Grapefruit and low-fat milk are good for you. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 18:04, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Low fat milk isn't particularly good for you, it's just that full fat milk is not as not bad for you, Grapefruit are dilishusss.   ^Contribs_Talk 18:08, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

They taste like evil thoughts. ~ Gloom_{(is never asleep)} 18:11, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

You must construct additional pylons

Quackery

This article could use some more info on the quackery associated with coffee in the other direction, IMO. Coffee is often accused of medical horrors, which rarely pan out in studies. It's interesting in that it's the most widespread addiction to thus far resist linkage to major diseases, though not for lack of trying. Erk (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The other side

I used to enjoy coffee, but giving it up is one of the best life decisions I've made healthwise. I don't get odd heart rhythms anymore, I can get to sleep with ease, and I don't feel I'm shitting rocks anymore.

I think also seeing a friend start having an epileptic fit in a supermarket after only four cups put me off a bit too.

Tasted great, but good riddance. The article could at least reflect that like many addictive substances, it's not worth it.-Albannach (talk) 22:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, we should like totally fill it with anecdotal evidence. One time I had a friend who had a headache. What a terrible time to be alive & thank God there is hope for tomorrow. ₩€₳$€£ΘĪÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 22:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, for you, my facetious little friend the links in some cases are well documented. And mentioned elsewhere on RationalWiki. Migraine and insomnia at the very minimum. In fact, two of my doctors told me to lessen my coffee and tea intake. No doubt you think they were being anecdotal.

Since there are major heart problems in my family, I don't appreciate anything that fucks with my heart rhythms like coffee was. I don't get that stuff anymore. If you find heart attacks etc funny, I suggest you seek a different variety of medical treatment.

Coffee isn't worth it. Like excessive alcohol abuse, the costs equal or outweigh the benefits.

Oh, and another one I forgot to mention according to this pregnant women should avoid over 200mg of caffeine a day.

• • http://nhs.uk/news/2011/12December/Pages/high-caffeine-health-risk-cafe-coffee.aspx

The coffee growing industry is also completely exploitative too, like tobacco and drugs. Would be nice to see something about that in the article.

Albannach (talk) 23:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Delete or fun

This article dates from the early days of RW when there were lots of off-mission pieces on such subjects as stilton & how to make the perfect cup of tea. It has now been hijacked by somebody with sort some of agenda against coffee who is filling it with unsourced & questionable statements about dangers to health, & resisting efforts to tone it down. I suggest either rolling it back to the circa 2009 version & shifting to funspace, or deleting it outright & redirecting to caffeine. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 01:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

It's called an opinion, not an agenda. The way it was written was wanky (single malt anyone?), and didn't give both sides of the story. Coffee certainly causes more trouble in this world (for reasons explained already) than some alternative therapies, the Quakers or Salvation Army. Yet there's an article on the dangers of having your feet nibbled by fish, and another on how awful Alcoholics Anonymous is (despite the fact it saves some lives). Everyone with a brain in their head will tell you coffee has side effects if you overindulge, it's just a matter of which ones and how much. It's not anecdotal or quackery. Not all of the issues are caffeine related.

The articles on tobacco, drugs and ?chocolate should probably mention grossly unfair trade practices as well.-Albannach (talk) 02:12, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

The key words here are "if you overindulge", + arguments based on dental corrosion, bad breath & dehydration are tenuous & anecdotal at best. The way it's written now is also wanky & doesn't give both sides of the story. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 02:21, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

They're not anecdotal. Bona fide medical studies have been done. I used the word overindulge but that's relative since store bought coffee is invariably stronger... so overindulgence is less than most may think.

I'll repeat myself... we have articles on various therapies, and even religions, whose main side effect is to separate a fool from his money and little else, but you are complaining about me writing bad stuff about coffee? Anything which gives your mind and body a serious kick and is addictive has a downside.

Actually, the article still contains plenty of middle class guff about making the perfect cup of coffee. That's still there.

Perhaps you are in need of a few coffee enemas, non? Albannach (talk) 10:13, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Then, [citations needed]. For all of the claims. And the studies better not be done by Mormons.--MonarchofascistС нами Бог! 10:19, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I know Mormons are against it (and the Word of Wisdom article can be improved), but don't recall any studies by them! Since I am editing by phone, citations are going to have to wait for a day or two.Albannach (talk) 10:32, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Citations for the scary health risks have not appeared & the article doesn't resemble anything informative, entertaining, analytical or on-mission. I'm going ahead with redirect to caffeine. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:27, 6 April 2013 (UTC)