Talk:Conservative correctness

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Oh look, the altright shitty version of Reddit doesn't like this article. Zounds!

https://voat.co/v/politics/comments/1309663 Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 18:18, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

"Yes, that's what I mean. Only a condescending leftist would name a wiki 'rational' wiki as if that everything they write on it is rational and anyone who disagrees with their beliefs isn't true." "But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" Drink! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Why do you even waste your time with reading shit like that? I am not the Ombud's man 19:44, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Isn't Reddit already the altright shitty version of Reddit? ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 19:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

CGP Grey likes Reddit. And he is not alt-right. I am not the Ombud's man 19:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Lol dude, you can like Reddit without being an Alt-Righter. Guess why the Alt-Right started their own +++nordic cross conspiracy+++ version of Reddit? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Depends on what subreddit, I guess?--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 20:52, 26 September 2016 (UTC) 20:52, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Well r/altrightshithole is probably not the best subreddit :-P I am not the Ombud's man 21:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

r/rationalwiki is the worst one. ikanreed ^{You probably didn't deserve that} 21:31, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

"Patriotic correctness"

The right has its own version of political correctness. It’s just as stifling. Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 21:08, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Rename to "patriotic correctness"?

Pros:

• PC is more common than CC.
• More clearly links "patriotic" rhetoric to discourse-stifling (IMO this is more important)

Cons:

• Temporary loss of Google rank, viewership.
• Less clearly links CC/PC to conservative ideology

Thoughts? The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 21:12, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Removed these texts

In April 2011, J. Crew published an [[advertising|ad]] featuring the company's president, Jenna Lyons, painting her son's toenails pink, with the caption, "Saturday with Jenna — Lucky for me, I ended up with a boy whose favorite color is pink. Toenail painting is way more fun in neon." [[Fox News]] quickly assembled a few conservative "[[Experts for hire|experts]]" who denounced the ad as "blatant [[propaganda]] celebrating [[transgender]]ed children."<ref>[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/fox-news-jcrew-jenna-lyons-_n_848152.html]</ref> The [[Media Research Center]] also called the ad "propaganda pushing the celebration of gender-confused boys wanting to dress and act like girls."<ref>[http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2011/mrcchaz.html The MRC's Transgender Freakout]</ref> (In this case, conservative correctness dictated that anything besides [[gender]]/[[sexual orientation]] [[heteronormativity]] shouldn't be shown in public. And not only that, pink used to be a [[EP#The media discovers evo psych|very ''masculine'' color]].)

Example is a little too in-depth IMO. Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 17:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Socialized costs predate the concept of socialism: Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, talks in The Wealth of Nations (Book V, Chapter I, Part III, Articles 2d-3d) about the benefits of public schooling. This modern push for all people to carry the totality of their own weight without any form of public assistance—even going so far as to argue for the privatization of roads—is exactly that: modern, and pretty detached from "classical" notions of liberalism. Adam Smith also supported the redistribution of wealth and a form of class warfare against what he called the "Rentier Class". A term which, at the time, referred to the aristocracy, but which he foresaw as the robber barons. Libertarians love Adam Smith only because they don't read him.

Not clearly related to RWPC. Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 17:27, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Traditional Marriage

What exactly constitutes 'Traditional Marriage (TM)'? Most countries had their own versions, and probably many 'marriages' in historical times were little more than 'shall we merge our property and share a bed?', 'OK' Anna Livia (talk) 10:36, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Presidential etiquette

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/08/opinion/editorials/republican-etiquette-guide.html 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 17:49, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

UK question

Where would Norman Tebbit's comment paraphrased as 'On your bikes' fit in here? Anna Livia (talk) 19:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Potential mini-essay - social and economic classes

So, I thought of something to say about the "economic classes" thing ("America doesn't have social classes. We have economic classes which are not at all the same — totally distinct — as social classes!"), but it started to sound rambly and I think I might need more sources for it. Here's the planned mini-essay:

They technically are, in the sense that "economic classes" aren't as blatantly-set-in-stone as a caste system and social mobility is theoretically possible. In practice, social class and economic class are often so closely tied together that they might as well be the same thing, given the disproportionate influence wealthy people tend to have on the political process. Also, conservatives tend to ignore the very real reasons why it is difficult for people in the lower economic classes (especially the rock bottom) to rise up (several of which they are directly or indirectly responsible for) in favor of calling poor people lazy.

The point of this mini-essay is that there is a grain of truth in the claim that "social class" and "economic class" aren't quite the same thing, given the practical difficulties in explicitly preventing social mobility in a purely or mostly merit-and/or-wealth-based social hierarchy (unlike in, say, the Hindu caste system, where people are locked into their assigned roles from birth to death, or medieval feudalism, in which mostly-clear lines were drawn between peasants, nobility, and royalty), but in practice, there really isn't any difference between "social class" and "economic class", given how closely interlinked financial well-being and social status tend to be. Also, improving one's station in the American system is not as simple as "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", despite how often right-wingers swear up and down that people who aren't successful just aren't trying hard enough. Given my current ATIM status, I figured it would be prudent to ask how I can improve on this side-note before inserting it into the article. Any ideas? --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm also tempted to throw in a remark along the lines of "Because apparently atheists who don't have a frothing hatred of religion don't actually exist." onto the bullet point about ""War on Christianity" instead of secularism", but I'm not sure if that's redundant or not. --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)