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Do we need this in mainspace?

OK. - so maybe I'm an out of touch prude but I don't think this has any place as a mainspace article. I don't like the word & I don't like that I found it one click away from Main Page. Comments? Susan Jayne Garlick^talk 11:44, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

As I recall, the rationale had something to do with questioning why these perfectly serviceable words about parts of the body which shouldn't rationally be shameful were forbidden, especially in light of the reclaiming movement around words like "cunt" and so forth. There's a discussion about it, but I can't remember which related page it's on. --Kels12:42, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

As I recall this one and others were created when everybody had just come out of the rather stifling moral world of CP. We all wanted to run around shouting, writing on the walls, show that we had no censorship and we were free to do what we liked and stuff. Do we still need it? I don't know.--Bob^{bing up and down} 12:51, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

I'll move it to ACD in 24 hours. Counting ... Susan Jayne Garlick^talk 13:01, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

I like it, personally. But I have no objections to it going to ACD. --Kels 13:06, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

I think its a solid article that address a lot of issues surrounding the word and usage of the word. I like the article, thought like all things on a wiki it invites expansion. tmtoulouse ^beset 13:21, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

I like it, but not @ 1 remove from main page (RationalWiki:Contents). General interest? Susan Jayne Garlick^talk 13:25, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Okay, just nuke the two "best of" categories and it will *poof* away from that list. tmtoulouse ^beset 13:27, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

It's an interesting debate. Personally, I do not hold that a word can, in itself, be dangerous, offensive, or needs to be kept locked in a closet. The meaning wrapped around that essentially random assortment of Roman characters exists purely inside the listeners head, and I say yes, there's no reason it shouldn't be one link away from the Main Page. It's just a word. Language is a living, breathing thing - we're all familiar with the older generation's disappointment that since the 1970's, there's no longer a word that satisfactorily replaces 'gay', and there are countless other examples. I call my best mate a "stupid cunt" when I'm not calling him a "stupid bollocks". They're BOTH derogatory terms, and neither carries a sexual charge, which is understood by both me and my mate. But while the latter raises not an eyebrow if said to a woman (indeed it might get a laugh) the former is unutterable? I find that curious. Either would be guaranteed to cause a fistfight if said to an aggressive stranger of either sex after closing time. Meaning alters over time, space and context.

Many want to push this word into a dark corner behind bars where everyone points at it, "shocked!", sneering with curled lip at it as if it were the village paedophile, appalled at what they perceive as its demeaning description of the vagina. I do understand that some people - mostly women - find it offensive. And I understand that saying "show us your fucking cunt, bitch" is a completely disgusting way to talk to a woman person, and includes everything that is wrong about degrading sexism and objectification of women. But would a person who would say that with such bile, anger and hatred in them be any less creepy or dangerous if they were to be forced by society to say "Show us yer bits, love"? I doubt it - and I'd say the guy's a potential rapist no matter the choice of language.

If we hide words, they gain power in the darkness. Saying them out loud takes their power away from them. Look what happened to "Damn!" or "Blast!", both of which would have been absolutely shocking in polite company a hundred years ago. Look at how the African American community turned "nigger" on its head. I say rejoice in the power and drama language provides us, cherish the fascinating ability of words to raise the blood pressure, and celebrate your cunt and your dick, your vag and your manhole, your pocket rocket and your plush toy!! Rejoice in the ability of language to mutate!! DogP 13:35, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm going to have to agree with Dog, here. I used to hear it once or twice during reruns of the original Star Trek, until they made James Doohan, (Scotty), use only "cannot" and never (again) "can't", which, in his version of the Scots accent, sounded suspiciously like the word in question here. CЯacke® 13:45, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

I agree with Tmt above - it's a good article, it belongs in the daylight of the mainspace, but I also agree with Susan, that having it one click from the main page makes it too prominent to people who haven't figured out who we are yet. So I agree with tmt that the "best ofs" should be dropped, but that's all. JHMO. human^{be in} 13:46, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Well, fuck me! I find myself agreeing with H. How bleeding vulgar. (just lost signal for 15 minutes- bastard!) 193.113.235.170 14:03, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

This fucking pda's a right cunt - that IP above is me. Susan Jayne Garlick^talk 14:08, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Bollocks! I've no problem with that, y' bastards! DogP 14:14, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

The trouble is, when you've lost the ultimate obscenity, what do you use when you want to be really offensive? With political correctness most of the old words are totally out. Something should be left for shouting at people who really get your goat. Susan Jayne Garlick^talk 14:24, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Assfly and Godspeed work well for me, depending on what part of speech I need. Wouldn't you be offended if I said "Godspeed, you Assfly" to you? human^{be in} 15:58, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

May I just say how happy and proud I am to see "cunt", "cunt", "cunt" all over the "Recent Changes" page? --Kels 16:16, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Here's one more. Susan Jayne Garlick^talk 16:21, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

What hope is there for civilization if we get obsessed with a permutation of letters? Cunt was a fine word several hundred years ago but Victorian prudery hid it from view. Like fuck I object to it littering up someone's vocabulary and wish it was used in context. By moving it from mainspace we actually perpetuate it as an obscenity. Political correctness has already removed many words of abuse but only succeeded in replacing them with euphemisms that are now also terms of abuse. Do we need expletives to vent our anger? Some cultures manage without them and my sister seems to get along fine with "sugar". Genghis Khant 16:50, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Isn't "sugar" as an expletive merely a euphamism for "shit", making "sugar" into a substitute expletive just as you complained about? --Kels 16:56, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

For historic reasons I use "Bomfiggery" but unfortunately no one takes offence. Susan Jayne Garlick^talk 16:59, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Exactly. Also cf "shoot" for "shit"- the former being perfectly reasonable for the nicest Christian Mid-Western lady to use about the house. In Ireland it has long been OK to say "feck" on national television, as a clear and widely understood substitution for "fuck". My sister would say "feck", but never "fuck". It's so irrational, yet charming too. Odd. DogP 17:03, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Firstly, sorry for asking this here. Tried creating a separate bit for this question, but I'm not exactly computer literate. I was talking to an Aussie friend, and an American friend (I'm a Brit, by the way) and I noticed the difference in attitude towards 'cunt' - it being regarded as sexist in the US, whereas in the UK and AU, it has no such connotations. I wondered, should there be something said, here, about that cultural divide? Thanks for your time, and sorry to bother you. ~MichaelD ^{— Unsigned, by: 5.68.91.149 / talk / contribs (signed by bot)} 11:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

What about quim?

Be nice to include some information about that lovely word so loved by the (other) Victorians, "quim". PoorEd 15:10, 4 February 2008 (EST)

How about a page for Quim? Warren Terra

Yeah, sure, why not? Whatsitmean? human 15:37, 4 February 2008 (EST)

It means cunt. PoorEd 14:05, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Ooooh, that's a bad word! human 14:08, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Page has it wrong. Far as I know, it's from the Welsh "cwm" (pron "coom"), meaning "valley". 188.29.165.219 (talk) 14:03, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

John McCain

Should it be mentioned that John McCain called his wife a cunt?DLerner 06:17, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Naughty boy. What are you doing looking at such articles? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 06:18, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Why?!

Why is there such a social hatred of vaginas? I like mine, it provides happiness when I want to, and even though it occasionally does naughty things approximately every 28 days, it's on the whole nice. Nice to look at, non-invasive, pleasurable... So why does society seem to hate them so much? I know Christopher Hitchens has raised an observation that religions themselves have a strong tendancy to regulate the vagina, and a common theme among prophets is that they're born to virgins, but there's no explanation :( Dark Fire (talk) 03:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not really sure where you got the idea that prophets are born to virgins, and hitchens is an idiot who thinks "religion" = the Abrahamic religions. Not all religions need to, or bother to try to control anyone's vagina. I don't think very many men or women hate vigina.GodotGrow a vagina 03:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I guess you could say that it's the source of the temptation that religion enjoys suppressing. Sam ^Tally-ho! 03:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Again, taht is my problem. you say "religion", but I don't think that's what you mean. I think you mean "Abrahamic religion". hinduism does not limit temptation, Shinto does not limit it, Sioux religion relishes a good sex story. Don't know about buddhism - they probably do (edit - they probably do attempt to limit temptation). GodotGrow a vagina 03:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

That's true. Good correction. Sam ^Tally-ho! 03:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hairy vagina?

If 'cunt' means 'vagina', why are there references to hairy cunt, etc? If you have hair inside your vagina you should be seeing a doctor.

Obviously this person has never seen a vagina in their life, or at least not one in its natural state. ±KnightOfTL;DR^{longissimus non legeri} 06:50, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Technically, the vulva is the part that has the hair. ListenerX^TalkerX 01:53, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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