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Historical Flooding[edit]

I am new here never wiki'd before. There were it seems floods; namely, due to global warming, glaciers melt, raising sea levels by tens of meters. The doggger banks, e.g. now the North Sea was once dry land, and inhabited. Likewise all of Manitoba used to be a fresh water lake: the glacier holding it all in melted, and it drained into the ocean, causing floods. I've no idea whether or where historical flooding should figure in this myth though, shocking but true, there is at least *some* truth to the various flooding myths found in many different cultures. Obviously the entire world didn't flood, but all the coastal areas -- which is where 90% of people live indeed flooded circa 10000-12000 years ago.

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To respond to your point. Sure there have been loads of local floods around the world. It's a very frequent occurrence. There are also folk stories of floods around the world. These folk tales were probably inspired by the real floods. So that's really no great surprise.
But, on quickly re-reading the article, I'm surprised to note that we don't actually make any reference to this. The existence of multiple flood myths is something which YEC's often refer to and so we probably should make some reference to it.--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 10:22, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Most people will be aware that 'flooding occurs' (especially after 'more rain than seems reasonable') and occasionally '(very) large flooding happens and will assume that the various 'global floods of the ancient world' will be based on real events. However the difference between 'the present' and 'the ancient world' is that we now have global information networks #and# agreed calendars that are used around the world so events can be arranged in a sequence. In 'the ancient world' communications networks were more limited and calendars were not synchronised - so it would not necessarily be possible to confirm that 'the great floods our grandparents were told about by their grandparents' were actually separate events at different times rather than a single event in which individual families/clans etc survived. So, reversing the story of the blind men and the elephant - each part of the story #is# correct - but they are fused into something bigger that did not actually happen. Anna Livia (talk) 11:11, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

My two cents[edit]

I wonder what will be worse: if taking today as real a Bronze Age history imagined by people who clearly did not know how large is the world, much less the shipbuilding capacities required to build something that realistically would be very different of the Biblical accounts in terms of size (not to mention those other technologies required), plus ignoring the Noah drunk part and other questions about divine omni*** and the like and adding PIDOOMA arguments (several thousand couples of animals embarked, the Ark having three decks...), simply because "the Book" says so, or those attempts to justify it by saying that "the remains of the Ark have been found, scientists are baffled after that discovery (PIDOOMA again)" or especially the Baraminology and the like thing. --Panzerfaust (talk) 13:54, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Where there no other boats?[edit]

A question occurs: did nobody else on the planet happen to have a boat? Like fishermen or merchants? I ask as it seems like god would have had to personally find and kill them if they did, just in case they accidentally survived the flood... which also makes me wonder why he didn't bother doing that with everybody else in the first place...

Cprobertson1 (talk) 11:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cprobertson1 Congratulations on finding a plot hole even I didn't think of, and I spent a lot of time at one point pondering the plot holes of this whole story. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Another omission from the discussion[edit]

The silicon trees. Anna Livia (talk) 14:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Response to problems[edit]

The solution is, God did everything. It does not need science to explain because God has the power to do anything. So, a Ood is impossible under normal circumstances "but with God, all things are possible". Also, God is indeed good, but he operates in ways we humans cannot understand. So it is arrogant to say he should have done something simpler. We are his creation, so he can do with us as he wills. We think it is unfair, but a potter can do what he wants with his vessel. Likewise, God can do what he wants with a man. — Unsigned, by: 2600:1:f186:985a:2255:9f06:f149:3ff3 / talk

Holy shit, your God sounds like a fucking psychopath. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 00:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
You must be a psychopath then, to delete articles. What if the article is sentient and sad about being deleted? — Unsigned, by: 2600:1:f186:985a:2255:9f06:f149:3ff3 / talk
Trust a fundie Christian to compare human beings to electronic data. It just further shows that you guys place no value on life. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 00:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
A man killing a man is bad. But God is not a man, and as the creator, has the right to jige what he wants musch as a Potter can do what he wants with the clay. — Unsigned, by: 2600:1:f186:985a:2255:9f06:f149:3ff3 / talk / contribs
Jesus shat in Mary's lap, you're fucking brainwashed. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 00:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Are you trolling? If so, it is not funny and please stop.— Unsigned, by: 2600:1:f186:985a:2255:9f06:f149:3ff3 / talk / contribs
This interaction once again demonstrates to me that Christian fundamentalist morality is entirely subjective. Christian fundamentalists place no value on life unless it's convenient for them. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 00:45, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


Is there an inverse correlation between those who believe in a Biblical global flood and belief in global warming, which may well cause flooding on a global scale? Anna Livia (talk) 13:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Given the tendency of cranks toward crank magnetism, I'd say so. Oxyaena Harass 13:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I would separate out those who think that 'in those times' the locals equated what we call the Middle East with 'the world' (Panzerfaust's point above; and likely to be applicable to many other contexts) and there were one or several 'great floods' which became transformed/amalgamated with other retellings of events beyond living memory into the Global Flood stories of the Bible, Greek legends etc - 'as there are so many stories of this nature, they are based on events which actually happened, combined with 'our mythology is more bigly better than your mythology.' Anna Livia (talk) 11:52, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
It's likely that the Global Flood myth has some historical basis to it, AronRa pinpoints to the Flood of Ziusudra as the historical inspiration for the myth, however there's also the Black Sea deluge hypothesis, and of course the global coastal flooding following the Younger Dryas. I think it's likely that the flood of Ziusudra is just another retelling of the Mesopotamian flood myth, which has arguably even more ancient origins than that. Folk memory of the last ice age maybe, those exist, you know. Oxyaena Harass 23:35, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The obvious question[edit]

Why didn't God, observing the ways of humans, decide to send Jesus (and, possibly some of the other sons mentioned in the Book of Job to other localities, given that information could only spread slowly at the time) then, so 'many more than eight people' would be converted from their life of sinfulness, with all the benefits arising? Anna Livia (talk) 13:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)